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It's kind of incredible what Pikiell has been able to do.

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Even with the losses, this program is so obviously moving in the right direction. Pikiell is a great coach, and we're very lucky to have him in Piscataway.

Give him 3 years of recruiting and we'll be cookin'.
 
Everyone keeps saying this and I am hopeful it becomes reality. Isn't basketball the one sport, you can go from ass to champion in one year depending on recruiting?
Between Camden, Newark, and Brooklyn you'd think we could easily find 5 legit ballers to turn this thing around in a matter of months. Maybe I'm just naive when it comes to college basketball, but I'm tired of seeing Rutgers lose so much.
 
Pikiell is what I call a "professional" college coach. He's already taken us from embarrassing to competitive in 1 year.
This. We are competitive in the B1G which is what everyone seems to always ask. "Is Rutgers going to be competitive" well we are in nearly every game we have played. After last season that is amazing. Can't wait to see what happens next.
 
Everyone keeps saying this and I am hopeful it becomes reality. Isn't basketball the one sport, you can go from ass to champion in one year depending on recruiting?
Between Camden, Newark, and Brooklyn you'd think we could easily find 5 legit ballers to turn this thing around in a matter of months. Maybe I'm just naive when it comes to college basketball, but I'm tired of seeing Rutgers lose so much.
If you can't see progress and a team that is playing the right way, I don't know what to tell you.

He had only a limited amount of time to recruit and five stars aren't flocking to Rutgers, so to wonder about the talent level and his ability to recruit at this point is way too premature.

Give him two seasons (2018-2019) and you will really know what he can do.
 
Everyone keeps saying this and I am hopeful it becomes reality. Isn't basketball the one sport, you can go from ass to champion in one year depending on recruiting?
Between Camden, Newark, and Brooklyn you'd think we could easily find 5 legit ballers to turn this thing around in a matter of months. Maybe I'm just naive when it comes to college basketball, but I'm tired of seeing Rutgers lose so much.

"Everyone keeps saying that",,,because its true

I dont recall anyone going from where we were to champion in one year...

If you thought were were somehow going to beat up on the likes of Ohio State at home
then...yes....maybe you called it.....naive might be it

The rest of us are just going to enjoy how well the coach has done with this team this season
 
I was skeptical of Pikell when he was first hired. I wasn't as excited as most on here was. Just being cautious but I must say I believe he is the right guy for the job. This staff is legit.

I wouldn't say this team is overachieving, I think they're doing what they are capable of based on their talent level and the competition they're facing. Give him more talent and I think he can get the team into a tournament. Right now only Sanders is the only guy who has any chance of playing in the NBA. All of the top Big 10 teams have multiple guys who will get a shot
 
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Going from worst to first was an exageration. But BB is the kind of sport where one recruiting class can result in a HUGE jump. I think you have to take advantage of the "honeymoon" where excitement is generated. As some have suggested "5-7 years" is just not reasonable.

This season's result should end up with a nice bump in recruiting, but apparently cannot because players and roster spots are accounted for. If we don't show a reasonable uptick for next year, we won't be able to keep recruits interested for '19. Even the '20 class gets more difficult.

But Pikiel and the staff seem up to the task. I'm looking forward to a strong finish this year to give us even more to build on.
 
I think you guys misunderstand me. I freely acknowledge that I am an amateur when it comes to college basketball. I'm not criticizing Pikell's work or denying the progress that the program has made. I'm simply asking how long these things take for someone who never really paid much attention to college basketball until this season now that Rutgers is showing some life. Are we really looking at a 3 year rebuild like football? Didn't think basketball was that hard to turn around considering the size of the roster compared to football.
 
I think you guys misunderstand me. I freely acknowledge that I am an amateur when it comes to college basketball. I'm not criticizing Pikell's work or denying the progress that the program has made. I'm simply asking how long these things take for someone who never really paid much attention to college basketball until this season now that Rutgers is showing some life. Are we really looking at a 3 year rebuild like football? Didn't think basketball was that hard to turn around considering the size of the roster compared to football.

It takes time when your team has not been to NCAAs in 25 years and facilities lag mid major programs. We can sell the league, but so can B1G, ACC, SEC,etc. Even in Jersey other teans have been to NCAAs and have been more relevant than us recently. So it takes time to turn around perception of RU to sell recruits. Need seasons of winning and hope to show better recruits that have more options to choose from.

It will take time
 
Even with the losses, this program is so obviously moving in the right direction. Pikiell is a great coach, and we're very lucky to have him in Piscataway.

Give him 3 years of recruiting and we'll be cookin'.
Agreed. I hope recruits are noticing the job Pikiell has done and give Rutgers a very serious look.
 
He has done a great job. We are in most games with a 300 ranked offense, amazing. Cant wait till we add a few players.
 
I think you guys misunderstand me. I freely acknowledge that I am an amateur when it comes to college basketball. I'm not criticizing Pikell's work or denying the progress that the program has made. I'm simply asking how long these things take for someone who never really paid much attention to college basketball until this season now that Rutgers is showing some life. Are we really looking at a 3 year rebuild like football? Didn't think basketball was that hard to turn around considering the size of the roster compared to football.

The whole "go from ass to champion in one year" is essentially a fallacy - it can happen - but realistically it is only likely to happen at a blue-chip program that is in a cyclic pattern - may have had a primo squad that gets depleted by departures (grad / NBA) then may have a 're-load' year , then back into the fray... but the important thing is that they always had a system, a culture, a framework into which quality players can be integrated and quickly begin to function.

"Go from ass to champion in one year" simply does not realistically happen at a program that has had multiple decades of cycles of various sequences of - dismal /mediocre/ dismal / mediocre/ scandal/ atrocious/ atrocious ... In fact - if there was coach who would promise to do that - it would be terrifying - because the amount of ground that would have to be made up is so truly vast - and any instant fix would pretty certainly involve violative shortcuts of extreme proportions.

The "Quick Fix" is next to impossible because it take time to change a culture - to install a system - to get that systematic thinking ingrained into the minds of the players to the point where it is automatic - where body and brain are synchronized for each player - and then players are synchronized with each other.
The difficulty of making rapid strides is further compounded when you play in a highly competitive conference - not saying the the B1G is on top of the heap - but once conference play begins - it is game after game after game against tough, competent teams with systems already in place.

A year ago Pikeill was totally absorbed in the challenges of guiding Stony Brook to success - then March 19, 2016, Pikiell was announced as the next coach at Rutgers - - so in the past 10+ months he was hired - assembled an excellent coaching staff, scrounged to find prospects who would & could come to Rutgers and play - and has clearly begun to put in place a solid foundation - it is pretty remarkable.
 
The whole "go from ass to champion in one year" is essentially a fallacy - it can happen - but realistically it is only likely to happen at a blue-chip program that is in a cyclic pattern - may have had a primo squad that gets depleted by departures (grad / NBA) then may have a 're-load' year , then back into the fray... but the important thing is that they always had a system, a culture, a framework into which quality players can be integrated and quickly begin to function.

"Go from ass to champion in one year" simply does not realistically happen at a program that has had multiple decades of cycles of various sequences of - dismal /mediocre/ dismal / mediocre/ scandal/ atrocious/ atrocious ... In fact - if there was coach who would promise to do that - it would be terrifying - because the amount of ground that would have to be made up is so truly vast - and any instant fix would pretty certainly involve violative shortcuts of extreme proportions.

The "Quick Fix" is next to impossible because it take time to change a culture - to install a system - to get that systematic thinking ingrained into the minds of the players to the point where it is automatic - where body and brain are synchronized for each player - and then players are synchronized with each other.
The difficulty of making rapid strides is further compounded when you play in a highly competitive conference - not saying the the B1G is on top of the heap - but once conference play begins - it is game after game after game against tough, competent teams with systems already in place.

A year ago Pikeill was totally absorbed in the challenges of guiding Stony Brook to success - then March 19, 2016, Pikiell was announced as the next coach at Rutgers - - so in the past 10+ months he was hired - assembled an excellent coaching staff, scrounged to find prospects who would & could come to Rutgers and play - and has clearly begun to put in place a solid foundation - it is pretty remarkable.
We've been proving the worst to first in one year theory to be false for the past 25 years. I believe this is year 26 of our rebuild.
 
While the improvement in terms of W/Ls is amazing, what is more amazing is what you don't see in the W/Ls.

Other than a couple of games (Iowa jumps to the top of my head), we've been a very very tough out. And we have improved in so many areas.

I think this is why the commentator mentioned Pike as a potential COY candidate. Personally, I don't see how he wins it (and I dont think he should), but the fact it is even coming up is a testament to what he has done.

Incredible job, Coach. And I hope you stay here on the banks, for a very very very long time.
 
I don't know what they do in practice, but man does this team hit the boards hard! The effort level across the board is way up! Williams and Freeman are leading by example!!!
 
coach pikiell is a high character coach, and human being. He must of had plenty of
offers to coach elsewhere in the ten years at SB.I see coach ash as that same type
of man, and coach.....AD hobb's I feel is a good judge of the things he see's in a coach,
and in a man....the best interview he had in twenty five years is with CA, I could just imagine the notebooks,and assorted info CA brought to that interview. hobbs was blown
away. I'm sure CP did the same....hobbs hired Willard at the hall when he was AD
not a bad hire I would have to say. SH wins the big east tourny against the nat. champions
I see coach pike making RU a competitive,and a fight till the end team...not to knock
EJ, but the man thought he was in the N.B.A. the statement about not teaching rebounding floored me. what!....V.Lombardi said coaching is teaching...we went from
don't teach rebounding to one of the best in the league, and country...this job requires
24/7 teaching, recruiting, ect,ect....EJ was not going in that direction...great pg, , and
teammate, in one of the greatest season's in RU's history, but that didn't translate
to being a good, to great coach. coach pikiell has what it takes to turn this thing around
stay tuned.
 
This. We are competitive in the B1G which is what everyone seems to always ask. "Is Rutgers going to be competitive" well we are in nearly every game we have played. After last season that is amazing. Can't wait to see what happens next.
To be competitive also requires a team to win a fair share of league games.Winning 2 league games and being ranked last in the B1G doesn't meet my definition of being competitive.Winning matters to recruit more talented players,to get a bigger fan base and more donors.
 
To be competitive also requires a team to win a fair share of league games.Winning 2 league games and being ranked last in the B1G doesn't meet my definition of being competitive.Winning matters to recruit more talented players,to get a bigger fan base and more donors.
I disagree. Winning does not equal being competitive. Look at last year vs this year. Last year we were not competitive. This year we are. We can still win any game I feel. That is called being competitive.
 
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I don't see how anyone can be disappointed with him. I think he has exceeded expectations. It's amazing that all but one of the late additions to the class have made meaningful contributions throughout the season.
 
Pikiell is what I call a "professional" college coach. He's already taken us from embarrassing to competitive in 1 year.

I forget the exact words of the Nebraska coach but he put it very, very well, IIRC something to the effect of:

"PIkell is turning this around. Nobody wants to play this team, they're dangerous. He's doing everything Calhoun did at UConn you can see it in the way these kids play. All they need are some taller, long shooting guards and to not draw fouls."
 
The progress defensively has been enormous and quite frankly unbelievable. Offensively we haven't improved at all, despite a healthy and better roster.

Next year we will digress if our offensive numbers don't improve. The league will get better and it is hard to imagine a big defensive improvement.
 
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I disagree. Winning does not equal being competitive. Look at last year vs this year. Last year we were not competitive. This year we are. We can still win any game I feel. That is called being competitive.

I agree with your disagreeing....the point being is we've had, really, just one WTF loss so far (Iowa)? We've been in just about every game, if not every game. The fight and HEART this team is showing, the never-say-die attitude. It's all there. It's that obvious and I haven't even seen them live, just on TV.

The thing that really impresses me the most about Coach P. is his humility. And I think that translates directly to the team; they definitely take their coach's personality! I was impressed with Pike when he was introduced, impressed in every presser...

As to being the 26th year of rebuild? I disagree. Bannon had some good teams as did Waters - it wasn't all bad. If the sole measure is the tourney then I don't have much to stand on but I recall the epic game with Douby vs Michigan in the NIT final as indicative of a pretty good squad.
 
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Last nights game to me was an example of where past teams would have ended up losing by 20 after playing a competitive game. Several times I waited for OSU to blow us out, such as when they stretched the lead to 9, Corey fouls out, fouls on the 3 pointers....and with 30 seconds left we were in the game. That to me means this coach is starting to turn things around. A couple of recruiting classes and we are on the bubble. I hope.
 
I think we are one shooter and one big man scorer away from the dance. I think you can get a shooter via JC.. but a big man who can score... there's the rub. If we get a recruit.. it will likely be 3 years to make him a Big Ten scoring threat inside.. the Wisky guy and 5-stars notwithstanding. Maybe it will be Thiam. Maybe Williams will be that 2nd shooter.

But Sanders is good to go.. that's 1/3rd of the equation right there. And every team needs hard-working role-players and Pike is making them. Thats the value of a good coach. Even great recruiters who are not great coaches cannot do that.
 
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Agree with the positive comments on Pikiell and coaching staff. Breath of fresh air. Undeniable improvement in fundamentals. Knows how to "coach them up".
 
Steve has done a good job. I am a big fan. However it will all come down to recruiting. We have two guys coming in next season right now. One is an ok player. The other is not. Disappointed in our two recruits. He has to do better.
 
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Teams know that playing us is generally going to be a pain in the butt and that's a great first step in the right direction.

YES! When you are getting 'free stays' inside your opponent's head - that is a sign that you are making real progress - and while it may not yet make you the favorite - it pushes the odds a bit more in your favor!
 
Even with the losses, this program is so obviously moving in the right direction. Pikiell is a great coach, and we're very lucky to have him in Piscataway.

Give him 3 years of recruiting and we'll be cookin'.
His coaching is clearly superior to what we've had around here in a while. But we know very little about recruiting. That, ultimately, will be the bigger question.
 
We don't need to go from worst to first. I was coming to games last year hoping to lose by under 20. How sick is that? You knew we had no shot and just wondered if anything good would ever happen?

Pikiell is absolutely a terrific coach and god forbid we hit free throws we might have a few more wins already. I predict 3-4 more wins this season and some type of post season play even if it's the tourney below the NIT. I just can't believe we are in a position to talk about extending the season in his first year. I will say without a doubt that in two to three years we could talking about an NCAA appearance. I'm just happy to see the kind of basketball we all deserve to watch. Thank you Mr. Hobbs for a great hire.
 
Even if you know basketball very well, you can't predict the number of wins next year or how it will take to get to the tourney. But what you can see is how much improved the team is.
 
Even if you know basketball very well, you can't predict the number of wins next year or how it will take to get to the tourney. But what you can see is how much improved the team is.
Very true. But you could see that we are building a team that should be able to win our home games and steal a few on the road and that's what schools do that make the post season. I'm not sure we have Corey for two more years but if we do; boy could his senior year be exciting.
 
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