You're right. But "fan" is short for "fanatic" and fanatics are emotional. At least it's pretty harmless to be a fanatic about a sports team.
It's over, pack it up and go home. Hobbs not supporting NIL at RU.
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Look where Rutgers Athletics was seven short years ago. Look what has happened under the tenure of Pat Hobbs. But we have very special fans holding grudges against Pat, ready to come out with pitchforks, fire and insults at the slightest provocation, even when the facts do not support their position. Some Rutgers fans get what they deserve. Be careful what you wish for.
You are so sensitive! Just admit that Hobbs is tanking the NIL issue. We all know it.You:
That is the State stature but RU BOG has directed that RU will follow is immediately & not wait until 2025
Lot of misinformation, here are the cliff note facts:
1. Rutgers (as w/most schools) has launched 2 NIL platforms (KOR and Geo's venture)
2. They weren't at the forefront with launching them, nor were they last. Pretty much in the middle
3. Initially launched w/individual donors / player retention in mind, now going after corporations
4. Hobbs could have been more indirectly involved, but his hands were / are tied (BOG / state regulations)
5. NCAA again dropped the ball not regulating this off the bat as different states permit different things
6. Facilities, though important, are secondary right now (B1G tv contract $$$ will be paramount on this front)
7. Per GS, we'll need between 6-8 million to compete annually RIGHT NOW (OSU said 13 mil for them) - difference being player retention for us, player retention/acquisition for them
PH knows this importance of this. Without a viable NIL, say goodbye to any sort of competitive football, with other sports soon to follow.
I keep repeating the same mantra but it's true - either donate or continue seeing OSU type drubbings. The potential is there. Though I'd love to have a Knight, Pickens, BHG, Jimmy Rane, etc. type donor(s), we can compete with a buy in from the fan base plus NYC metro area corporations getting on board.
Frankly I'm tired of getting smoked by the big boys, and have donated to both ventures. NIL was happening before NIL, now it's just legal and out in the open.
Multiple RU players from different sports have singed deals. Most prominent being Caleb - we don't keep him this year without NIL.
*** If you have the funds, please consider donating. Jon and the gang at KOR are terrific, and any venture w/Geo is something to at least consider
1. Rutgers (as w/most schools) has launched 2 NIL platforms (KOR and Geo's venture)
2. They weren't at the forefront with launching them, nor were they last. Pretty much in the middle
3. Initially launched w/individual donors / player retention in mind, now going after corporations
4. Hobbs could have been more indirectly involved, but his hands were / are tied (BOG / state regulations)
5. NCAA again dropped the ball not regulating this off the bat as different states permit different things
6. Facilities, though important, are secondary right now (B1G tv contract $$$ will be paramount on this front)
7. Per GS, we'll need between 6-8 million to compete annually RIGHT NOW (OSU said 13 mil for them) - difference being player retention for us, player retention/acquisition for them
PH knows this importance of this. Without a viable NIL, say goodbye to any sort of competitive football, with other sports soon to follow.
I keep repeating the same mantra but it's true - either donate or continue seeing OSU type drubbings. The potential is there. Though I'd love to have a Knight, Pickens, BHG, Jimmy Rane, etc. type donor(s), we can compete with a buy in from the fan base plus NYC metro area corporations getting on board.
Frankly I'm tired of getting smoked by the big boys, and have donated to both ventures. NIL was happening before NIL, now it's just legal and out in the open.
Multiple RU players from different sports have singed deals. Most prominent being Caleb - we don't keep him this year without NIL.
*** If you have the funds, please consider donating. Jon and the gang at KOR are terrific, and any venture w/Geo is something to at least consider
This is a total misconception. The top people in business and finance make so much more than doctors and lawyers. Those are the people Rutgers needs to target. Grads from law school and medical schools are too busy paying off student loans to have anything left over for the NIL.
There is a difference between not being on board with NIL and not being on board with organizations like KOR, which are not necessary for NIL deals, and may not be in compliance with all rules currently in effect. Personally I’m going to give to an org that takes 15% from the athletes for itself.
You don’t understand that this is not led by schools. It’s led by boosters. If you want tk make a difference, either start paying kids directly or join the collective. Forget about Pat Hobbs and NIL.
USC Boosters to Form NIL Collective Against School’s Wishes - Sports Illustrated
The standalone collective aims to provide Trojan football players who are academically eligible with the “equivalent of a base salary.”
www.si.com
I was half joking, at least. The effort should be made at every level of the school, in every program. If there was going to be some extra emphasis, I'd probably say it ought to be in the honor's programs students who probably have the statistically highest odds of becoming entrepreneurs or CEOs. But basically, it needs to be blanket marketing that starts before the kids are even on campus and never ends thereafter.
BTW, depending on what they wind up doing after law school, top law school grads are making so much money, with so little time to spend any, that they pay off their student loans in no time. Although I suppose that depends somewhat upon the school. (https://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/median). I think Columbia grads actually report a median starting graduate salary at $193K (private sector jobs). Not wealthy, but it's not a bad place to start and the sky's the limit for them.
Everything you say is right, but the reason the NCAA hasn't stepped in is the fear of further anti-trust litigation. What we need is federal legislation to establish an even playing field.
You're right about top law school grads. . . but that only covers maybe 10% of the graduating class. A lot of other grads are scuffling.
Agree.. with the mockery you use. Gene Smith gave this quote because it serves Gene Smith (and Ohio State). Recruiting Jersey is important for all top programs because the State U doesn't have the power to compete with them when Jersey produces the 4 stars and 5 stars. But taking a swing at Hobbs and Rutgers and NIL the way Smith did it is telling all Jersey recruits.. by using the Star-Ledger and NJ.com.. that Ohio State is a leader in NIL and Rutgers is not.
Self-serving BS and Politi went for it, hook, line and sinker.
Way to go, Steve. Way to serve your community bringing us the sports news.
Absolutely, wish they would have gotten out in front of this and been proactive (re. federal legislation), but they are a corrupt (and clearly not a forward thinking) bunch
The NIL without a reasonable cap, just to give these kids some spending money is a COMPLETE FAIL by the NCAA. After all these years of looking the other way at what the blue bloods did, the forking NCAA managed to come up with a system that's even worse. Unforking real.
Even playing field? Again with this farce.
Does that apply to all "donor support" or just NIL?
OSU receiving millions more in direct support from donors to the AD isn't fair to Rutgers.
Ban all donor support or just put a "reasonable" cap on it.
Why should OSU benefit from a more engaged fanbase (NIL or direct donations)?
I'm also going to assume the "even playing field" doesn't apply to conference revenues.
Heaven forbid the "even playing field" actually be even across FBS.
The NCAA and the commissioners of the Power 5 conferences have aurged federal legislation. The Power 5 commissioners want a ban on booster involvement in NIL and on "pay-to-play." There is division in Congress about what should be in legislation and how restrictive it should be. It is unlikely that legislation will pass this Congress (which ends the end of the year) and so the issue will probably go over to the new Congress elected in November. So it's not a matter of corruption, but of lack of consensus -- which is what usually prevents legislation on important subjects. https://www.si.com/college/2022/08/31/nil-regulations-power-five-commissioners-urge-congress
Of course, what I meant was an even playing field on NIL so that the rules wouldn't be different in different states. The rest of what you want is, for better or worse, not going to happen anytime soon.
Sounds like ur getting that direct & not making assumptions, correct?’
Following a state stature before it’s time makes absolutely no sense, in my humble opinion..
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Posted this on the pay board but again, NIL is led by boosters. OSU's AD isn't running them and neither is any AD. The only thing OSU's AD is doing is pretending to put up some facade of compliance to rules that aren't being enforced.
His offer to help anyone on NIL is an absolute joke.
His offer to help anyone on NIL is an absolute joke.
Ok let’s have Hobbs pretend as well.. What exactly does the pretending consist of?’
He doesn’t need to be put in any position he’s the AD & should know/understand the stature which doesn’t kick in till
2025…
They already had that with the stipend.
What stature? AD's don't run NIL's. Boosters. Do. This seems really complicated for some people to understand. It isn't.
Again. Boosters run NIL's. Not AD's.
"The Foundation, a collective co-founded by former Ohio State quarterback Cardale Jones and local real estate executive Brian Schottenstein, launched on March 31. Other members of The Foundation’s board include former OSU football coach Urban Meyer, football players J.T. Barrett, Terry McLaurin and Will Allen and basketball star D’Angelo Russell, among others.
Cohesion Foundation, a collective founded by former Ohio State walk-on wide receiver Gary Marcinick, launched on April 12. Cohesion’s board includes former OSU football players Zach Boren, Adam Griffin and Jeff Heuerman and professional golfer Gary Nicklaus, and Griffin and Nicklaus’ more famous fathers – Ohio State legends Archie Griffin and Jack Nicklaus – are also among that collective’s supporters.
Both collectives are operating separately from one another and are not operated by Ohio State, though Cohesion Foundation made a sponsorship deal with Ohio State through Learfield which allows Cohesion to use Ohio State trademarks."
Ohio State, NIL Collectives Walking Fine Line Between Staying Competitive and Staying Compliant
As multiple NIL collectives work to fund deals for Ohio State athletes, OSU is striving to strike the right balance between staying competitive and avoiding NCAA sanctions.
What stature? AD's don't run NIL's. Boosters. Do. This seems really complicated for some people to understand. It isn't.
Again. Boosters run NIL's. Not AD's.
"The Foundation, a collective co-founded by former Ohio State quarterback Cardale Jones and local real estate executive Brian Schottenstein, launched on March 31. Other members of The Foundation’s board include former OSU football coach Urban Meyer, football players J.T. Barrett, Terry McLaurin and Will Allen and basketball star D’Angelo Russell, among others.
Cohesion Foundation, a collective founded by former Ohio State walk-on wide receiver Gary Marcinick, launched on April 12. Cohesion’s board includes former OSU football players Zach Boren, Adam Griffin and Jeff Heuerman and professional golfer Gary Nicklaus, and Griffin and Nicklaus’ more famous fathers – Ohio State legends Archie Griffin and Jack Nicklaus – are also among that collective’s supporters.
Both collectives are operating separately from one another and are not operated by Ohio State, though Cohesion Foundation made a sponsorship deal with Ohio State through Learfield which allows Cohesion to use Ohio State trademarks."
Ohio State, NIL Collectives Walking Fine Line Between Staying Competitive and Staying Compliant
As multiple NIL collectives work to fund deals for Ohio State athletes, OSU is striving to strike the right balance between staying competitive and avoiding NCAA sanctions.www.elevenwarriors.com
You missed the part about the BOG (if that's correct). If he disregards the orders of the BOG, he will get fired. That will make a lot of people on these boards happy. Be careful what you wish for.
He doesn't have any flexibility. We don't have boosters. I'm not sure why this is so hard to comprehend.
what’s stopping the AD from meeting with #NIL
Groups, business/community leaders, the law that kicks in 2025?!
