Jerry Kill Hired As OC
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To me this hire was unexpected. On the one hand you can't argue with Kill's resume. On the other, you would never mistake him for Bill Walsh or Tom Herman. I would not be surprised to see them hire a Carty as QB coach knowing that in all likelihood the tenth coach will be approved in April for the 2017 season forward
April's vote to approve a tenth assistant is a virtual lock. There has been full support across the board and zero opposition, so I can't imagine who would vote against it
As long as he's healthy I love the hire. The guy is two years removed from being Big 10 coach of the year. As a Penn State poster mentioned in another thread, he's known for getting the most out of his players. It'll be interesting to see who gets hired for the last staff position.
Finally, someone not taking a step-up....
excited about this, and may just be what we need......
excited about this, and may just be what we need......
I don't know what to make of this hire, but he's experienced in the B1G and...I know most of you guys loved Mehringer, but let's face it, he wasn't an OC. Kill could be out of coaching for 50 years and still do a better job. The thing is Mehringer was a recruiter and this is something Kill won't be able to do except for local guys.
2015- Leidner passed for 2701 yards--granted Kill "retired" mid-season, and in 2013, Leidner and Nelson combined for just under 2000 yards.
In his last year at NIU, Chandler Harnish threw for 2530 yards and 21 TDs and ran for 836 yards (6.1/carry). That sounds serviceable to me.
He prefers to run out of the spread but had to put more TEs on the field at Minnesota due to the personnel they had. Trust me when I say that you got a great coach in Kill, and he does a tremendous job at building relationships with the local high school coaches. Don't like this hire as a Minnesota fan since we will likely bump heads in a lot of the Southern recruits he likes to go after.
No. Hire or appoint a mentee for Kill. Someone who you want to one day run the offense. We don't need a run-game/pass-game pair to run things. OC is one job and the system and plays have to support a cohesive scheme that utilizes both.
Sounds good but Terry Shea was also coach of the year at 6-5.
Is it possible this signals Ash may be considering backing away from that direction?
Hey Forrester is back. Glad to meet you at the tailgate.
With Rutgers me may well NEED those medical facilities.
5-6. And Terry Shea would have been one helluva OC in his prime. Just wasn't the best HC material.
I have reservations about this hire. Although my reservations have nothing to do with being negative about Kill himself. I think Kill is a pretty good head coach. He's had success as a head coach, which is great. And he certainly raises the experience level of the staff quite a bit.
However, I see nothing in his resume that screams offensive genius. I think chemistry is pretty important with the coaching staff and I see potential for problems in that regard. I feel like this program needs a few very boring seasons in terms of non-football excitement. And if he has heath issues that crop up during the season, that is simply not the kind of excitement this program needs.
In order to start winning more conference games, this team is going to need to (a) consistently recruit a whole lot better than it has ever done, (b) outwork other teams in the Big Ten, (c) out-think other coaches in the Big Ten. I just don't yet see Kill as either the brilliant recruiter or offensive mastermind to get those things done.
I hope to be proven completely wrong and that my reservations are unfounded.
However, I see nothing in his resume that screams offensive genius. I think chemistry is pretty important with the coaching staff and I see potential for problems in that regard. I feel like this program needs a few very boring seasons in terms of non-football excitement. And if he has heath issues that crop up during the season, that is simply not the kind of excitement this program needs.
In order to start winning more conference games, this team is going to need to (a) consistently recruit a whole lot better than it has ever done, (b) outwork other teams in the Big Ten, (c) out-think other coaches in the Big Ten. I just don't yet see Kill as either the brilliant recruiter or offensive mastermind to get those things done.
I hope to be proven completely wrong and that my reservations are unfounded.
I don't think it "implies" anything about the interest level. Unless you're one of the guys who thinks we were going to steal an OCftom another P5? I highly doubt G6 or FCS OC's wouldn't have shown interest.
Very aggressively stated opinion. Care to share what logic/facts you're using to form that opinion?
From what I can tell, Kill's a pretty good head coach, based on his record of accomplishment. But how can you possibly know for sure that he's a good offensive coordinator given that he hasn't been in that role in a very long time?
Oregon hired Brady Hoke as DC and he took Michigan to the Sugar Bowl, he was lousy as DC after never having been one in his career.
Another Urban DC, Kyle Whittingham at Utah made Dennis Erickson, an NFL coach and national championship college coach as co-OC. He had been OC way earlier in his career. He was pulled out of that position a year later.
So as far as elder statesmen advisor, I'm fine with him. As far as OC, I'm okay with it but I'm not jumping for joy like many seem to be. He could be good and he might not be, his track record as play caller isn't really one you can see for me to come down on one side definitively.
I also don't see him as analagous to Friedgen. Friedgen was the OC of a national champion GT and OC of the Chargers when they made the Super Bowl. It's very easy for a fan to point out his track record as OC/play caller and see the results. I can't say that about Kill.
Like I was with Mehringer and most things, I'll keep my feet on the ground. Not going to say home run, not going to say he sucks I'll just say I'm okay with him and hope he does well.
Don't necessarily think he was past his prime when coach. Not sure he could get and keep the personnel he wanted. No strategist by any means but wasn't he the architect of the "West Coast Offense"? Worked fine for Cal? Stanford? in the bowl game? I saw at the Meadowlands but it didn't seem to work here. Gotta have the dogs no matter what.
And why's that?:confused: He has epilepsy a very treatable ailment through medication and diet. In the worse cases surgery. He has it under control now through improving his diet and health and probably medication. Once proper consistent care is followed relapses are rare. He's only 55, epilepsy is not a death sentence.
Who would you have wanted?
My picks were Brian Wright, Todd Fitch and McCarty, none having P5 experience. My home run hire would have been Dan Warner, who was just fired by Ole Miss, but that would have been a stretch.
A Minnesota fan chimed in and said Kill was a brilliant recruiter, so you are really just talking out of your posterior region on that one. I mean that will all due respect.
A very careful diet is required which is not sustainable on the road. I'm a million-mile road warrior for the past 15 years - trust me, it's not easy to stay on a diet, much less such a strict diet.
Agree with you that he is no Ralph Friedgen, but who the heck is a Ralph Friedgen that was available?
Think we have to wait and see here, but I like the hire a lot.
Who were your top 3 again of available candidates?
I'm not saying he is but is that the bar? It shouldn't be, if it is. I'd hope we be aiming higher than just not being worse than the last guy.
Plus this is just like when we hired Mehringer. Look at that thread, so many jumping for joy and caught up in the hoopla of the moment rather than taking a step back and seeing what's in the background for a typical fan to see and judge. It's a natural reaction though so I get it.
I said back then too I'm a little apprehensive about the lack of experience but that he could be a good recruiter and maybe a co-OC might not be a bad idea back then even and might be logical because Urban has done it at times so Ash might follow suit. I got jumped on a little for that kind of comment. Now look how every demonizes Mehringer, lol. Despite my apprehension at the outset, funny enough I was actually open to seeing what may happen given time for his recruiting to kick in as it was just a year, bad one no doubt, but still just a year.
I have less apprehension about Kill and think he's got a better chance to do better than Mehringer but that really shouldn't be the bar. It's can he put out a strong offense? For that it's harder for me to point to looking at his career background. Nonetheless I'm open to him like I was Mehringer and hope he does well.
Completely disagree. It takes discipline, and he appears to have tremendous discipline. I am on a ketogenic diet, and I have no problem adhering to it when traveling.
Beau Baldwin, Dan Werner, Tony Franklin of all out there and available
Tony Franklin, Todd Fitch, Ryan Carty/Brian Wright of those out there and tied to us by some media on the internet.
BTW wasn't implying there was a Friedgen available, it's others who are making that analogy and I'm rebutting that notion.
Well Ash seems to have taken a focus on recruiting in-state (or at least regionally). I can't think of a single commit outside the region other than Bordner. So if Kill only has to drive to recruit, maybe it won't be so bad.
Having money helps too. I'm sure he's not going to be hitting the drive thru window on the road.
Ohio State hired Greg Schiano as DC, and did OK this year, no?
LSU.
Don Brown was head coach at a few non-P5 schools, and he has been a serviceable DC at BC and Michigan.
We could cite examples back and forth. What is most relevant here is Kill had a SUCCESSFUL resume at every stop, was not fired, and has had coordinator experience, albeit a bit old.
I wanted someone who has killed it as an OC somewhere in the not too distant past. As for what the Minnesota fan said, I guess we're going to find out. Every school that isn't an elite program has it's own set of recruiting challenges. RU has maybe more than it's fair share at the moment. So yeah, we'll see.
I hope Kill kills it in recruiting and as an OC. But I'm going to need to see some results before I start celebrating the hire.
Yea that's crap.
Of course he is in good health now. He is only working as associate athletic director.
Walt Bell at Maryland works something like 18 hour days. I don't know what Kill will work, but it's not some 40 hour a week job.
I doubt that you all will give him a easy go at it if the offense stinks. That's not even to mention his recruiting duties. Kids love him so i think he'll do well recruiting.
I love the guy, but it is very dangerous to hire a guy like that and certainly not a long term solution.
As someone who has been doing a very low carb lifestyle for awhile now, trust ME when I tell you that it's actually an incredibly easy thing to do, on the road, or anywhere else.
Breakfast for the road: bacon and sausage.
Lunch: chicken or salmon over salad including avocados for fat
Dinner: steak or fish with vegetables.
Balance out the fats/proteins as needed.
Beau Baldwin would not likely happen. Who knows on Franklin. I agree on Werner, but who knows if he would come to the Northeast?
If Fitch/Carty/Wright, we would have had more people pitching fits about no P5 experience. But I think each of them was worth a look based on their track records. But if I am Ash, who seems to be a good salesman to recruits, I think there is a lot more cache to saying we have the 2014 B1G caoch of the year as our OC than any of the names above.
I don't think those guys were far removed from their play calling days. Schiano even called plays as HC here. Looking at Brown he's been DC at almost all his stops except for a couple as HC so again don't think it's the same.
Someone like Dennis Erickson is more analagous and his success has been far greater than Kill's and he'd been an OC way way earlier in his career like Kill. It didn't work out and he was demoted after a year.
We know successful coordinators don't always make successful HCs. For the reverse in this case a successful HC who hasn't been a coordinator for long time may not be a successful coordinator at present. Can I say that defnitively? Of course not that's why I'm okay with him as OC. At the very least he's an ear for Ash to lean on just on HC matters and management.
