Jeremiah didn’t play for 700 days…came back with no minute restrictions or anything (which most people do after a long period of being out)…I honestly think he ran out of gas or the legs just weren’t there anymore…no warm up games..No guarantee games against bums to pad stats…I believe he’ll be much better next year…and they literally recruited him to play on next years team with Dylan and Ace..he got lucky and got eligible this season
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This is not true. Cam was a 4 star rated transfer and advanced metrics superstar. It was a big portal get for Pike
It's possible he was on tired legs. I've never seen just what the severity of the injury was, but he was 15 months out from it, I'd think minute restrictions would have been long past. Most of his #'s were in line with his first two years, I think he probably is what he is at this point.
The mods have reported Bensley Joseph out of Miami is a target. He would be perfect. Can hit 3’s , break down his man , and plays defense. He would knock down the 3’s coming from teams overplaying Dylan and ACE. Dylan , Jeremiah , Joseph and JMike would do the trick at guard next year.
Gavin has a long way to go. The amount of high school shit in his game that didn’t disappear by the end of the year was alarming. Yes, he has potential . But only if he bulks up 10-15 pounds , gets in shape to run around curls and screens and really tries to get open , and improves his handle to be able to drive effectively into the paint and knock down that jumper more often than just being a 3 point specialist. Once he does those other things , then the 3 point shooting will get inline.
All the more reason to have our “potentially” best 3pt shooter (expected incoming transfer) on the court and not on the bench.
First off Cam had some size on Noah . That in itself was a big issue. Cam did however have some better people around him … at least guards.
I hold nothing from this year against Gavin as a player because he was a freshman. I warned people before the season to tamp down expectations.
I'll have to look into Joseph closer, not real familiar with him. His offensive stats look solid from 3 on high volume. Need that. He seems to turn it over a lot, and his defensive efficiency numbers are pretty poor throughout his three years, don't know if that is him or product of the team, but always thought Miami was solid defensively.
No - and if it is it’s splitting hairs. Both came in as projected starters. We’re going to bring in at least one player who played starter minutes and if it’s a low major kid, it’ll be someone who put up pretty stats. This is basically the same situation as football Gavin. We brought in Minny’s starter. Maybe Wimsatt beats him out, maybe not - but if not, the alternative is someone who started previously for another BIG team. There is no way the plan or narrative is to just bring in a back up for Gavin.
Ace, Dylan and JWill are all known for their athleticism, combination of ball handling and size, and creativity. None of them are known in particular for their outside sniping as their main source of strength. So the fear is that teams sag off and protect the paint, and let our perimeter players take their chances from 3, and we shoot 29%.
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Cam Spencer Scouting Report
I've watched a few Cam Spencer games (North Carolina, Boston U, Part of games against Mount St Mary's,Army, and a game from his freshman Year), so here's my thoughts. STRENGTHS Great shooter. Career 38.8% 3 point shooter, take out his poor stretch at the beginning of this season and hes a...
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Not to toot my own horn but…Cam Spencer Scouting Report
I've watched a few Cam Spencer games (North Carolina, Boston U, Part of games against Mount St Mary's,Army, and a game from his freshman Year), so here's my thoughts. STRENGTHS Great shooter. Career 38.8% 3 point shooter, take out his poor stretch at the beginning of this season and hes a...
guaranteeing @bac2therac had this as a kid
I agree but we need a distributor and more importantly a defensive asset, which Williams is both. The defense is important because I don't think Dylan or Ace will be good defensive players as Freshmen.
You remember the discussion being about Noah coming in as a back up utility player? Really?
I thought I was agreeing with the idea that Cam was considered a top portal recruit when we landed him.
No go back another post. I think your agreeing the sentiment was that Cam was coming in to play a much bigger role than Noah…. Not sure that was your intent. Someone else’s original comment.
Nice breakdown. Mine was pretty accurate too *toot*Not to toot my own horn but…Cam Spencer Scouting Report
I've watched a few Cam Spencer games (North Carolina, Boston U, Part of games against Mount St Mary's,Army, and a game from his freshman Year), so here's my thoughts. STRENGTHS Great shooter. Career 38.8% 3 point shooter, take out his poor stretch at the beginning of this season and hes a...
As far as I recall both Cam and Noah were brought in to be starters. Both started at the beginning of their respective seasons. There’s always a risk when you recruit mid-majors. Noah didn’t pan out. Cam did. But both were brought in with an expectation of being starters. Not utility back ups.
My recollection is that Cam was a top portal recruit and ranked highly and came in with fanfare. Noah was not heavily recruited. I forget when he committed, but it was either when Paul and/or Cam were still here, or very late in the process. Either way, I think most people were not particularly excited.
Yes they were. Geo played him up too. But that’s besides the point. The expectation wasn’t that he would come here and play behind J Mike. By all counts he was a projected starter and that will be the narrative with at least one transfer who is not playing the center position next year too. There is no way we are only in the market for a utility player to back Gavin up. We are bringing in a likely starter. Gavin might develop and play his way into the starting line up but he also might not.
If Noah came in after Cam and Paul left, it was very late in the process and scraping the bottom of the barrel. Plugging a hole. Cam committed early, was heavily recruited by others, and it was a big win. Totally different scenarios. And should be totally different expectations for the players as a result.
Noah came well before Cam and Paul left.
The general consensus was that he would start (or at least compete to start) over Paul.
My personal opinion (zero inside info) has always been Paul was told he would be playing more off ball/wing (with Noah as starting PG) and that contributed to him transferring.
Noah committed in mid-April.
Probably a question for @Richie O about the staff expectations for Noah at the time.
I seem to remember it was for him to come in as the starter.
The staff isn't going to come out and say "We welcome Noah Fernandes. He's going to be our starting PG next year over Paul."
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/noah-fernandes-commits.259864/
https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...nandes-transfer-guard-from-umass/70111630007/
"And his arrival means incumbent point guard Paul Mulcahy, who appears to be leaning toward returning for his postgrad season as he peruses pro ball options, almost certainly will play off the ball if he does come back. Make no mistake: Fernandes is coming here to start, and he'll have the ball in his hands."
He was “competing” for primary PG responsibilities which would send Paul to the 3. If you want to nitpick - if everything went perfectly right with Mag and Hyatt actually developed I supposed there was a remote possibility that Hyatt and Mag would’ve started together with Paul and Cam bringing up the ball - but even still, that would’ve still pegged Noah in line for 30ish minutes backing all of them up. From every possible angle - the expectation was that Noah was coming in to pick up starter minutes 25+ minimum. He was not on any planet brought in to back up J Mike.
OK. But Noah was just not a highly ranked or heralded recruit. Cam was.
That wasn’t the point being debated. Pike was obviously impressed by him from the UMass game the prior season. He targeted Noah early in the process. It’s not true that he was brought in after Paul and Cam left. He was the replacement for Caleb and was fully expected to be a starter just as Cam was the year prior. And we’ll bring in one guard/wing player with that same expectation this year too. That was my only point.
It is not the case that Pike was looking for someone to back up unproven frosh J Mike. And he’s not going to be looking now for a Gavin back up because Gavin didn’t prove he’s good enough to start in his freshman campaign. It’s certainly possible he’ll do better next year but there’s no reason whatsoever that a portal candidate would think of him as a major threat right now to playing time.
Only concern with those min and lineup and larger roster construction is NO shooting.
Pike and staff need to get multiple shooters or it’s going to be a long season
Still seems to me that bringing in Fernandes to play alongside Paul and Cam (who were expected to be here) implies there were lower expectations on the kid.
Not really. With Geo and Ron leaving, that left Paul, Caleb, and Cliff as the locked in starters for 2022-23. Mag and Hyatt potential candidates to fill one of the other slots but almost certainly not both. Enter Cam - locked in starter.
For 2023-24 the locked in starters were really only Cliff and Cam. Nobody knew the health status of Mag. Hyatt far from a guarantee to start. Simpson ended strong the prior season but not a guarantee either. And Paul didn’t end on a good note. There was plenty of space for a starter to come in. Everyone expected Noah to be that guy and he was given every opportunity to be a starter. Just didn’t pan out. But if you go back - nobody interpretted as us simply adding a depth piece back then.
Noah would have been one more player in the mix at guard with a lot of returning starting quality pieces. Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem the same. Anyway, going in circles here, so maybe just agree to disagree.
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