Knight supposed to start this week (as of 4/18)
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Strange because he has an article on NJ.COM reporting it also:
http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball...s_mens_basketball_coa.html#incart_river_index
http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball...s_mens_basketball_coa.html#incart_river_index
That's odd. I can't imagine the reporters ever jumping the gun on the coaching search ...
... more than once ... sigh ...
... more than once ... sigh ...
Hmmm. Didn't this happen recently with someone else where it was just to wait a day or so until blessed.
My worry was someone else might swoop in. We've have had happen plenty of times before.
Best to do things quietly.
Hopefully this is nothing. Maybe Jason Baum is the snitch I mean source here.
My worry was someone else might swoop in. We've have had happen plenty of times before.
Best to do things quietly.
Hopefully this is nothing. Maybe Jason Baum is the snitch I mean source here.
Times have changed when reporting a story.
At one time the columnist made sure the story was confirmed before reporting i.
Now with bloggers getting info out over the internet they become sources that confirm a story , even if the blogger is posting a rumor that looks like it will happen.
Sergeant didn't personally confirm what he stated about Knight being hired when he put out an article that said Knight was hired, so he's covering his butt know because he really doesn't know if the 247 blog had the right information or putting their speculation as a fact in a blog that Sergeant used as his source.
Good reporting has gone down the drain because reporters don't put out articles before checking the facts, like they did in the past. Now they put out articles then check :chairshot:
At one time the columnist made sure the story was confirmed before reporting i.
Now with bloggers getting info out over the internet they become sources that confirm a story , even if the blogger is posting a rumor that looks like it will happen.
Sergeant didn't personally confirm what he stated about Knight being hired when he put out an article that said Knight was hired, so he's covering his butt know because he really doesn't know if the 247 blog had the right information or putting their speculation as a fact in a blog that Sergeant used as his source.
Good reporting has gone down the drain because reporters don't put out articles before checking the facts, like they did in the past. Now they put out articles then check :chairshot:
Stop. Until it's done they have to say it's not done, but it's done.
The other thing that drives me crazy is how reporters have allowed themselves to continually quote unnamed sources to "protect" the source. Good journalism should be more transparent than this. How many reporters are now making crap up and attributing it to the unnamed?
Why are people so confused? The reports have ALWAYS been "expected to join" the staff..People taking this to mean he's been hired, which is wrong.
Sargaent saying it's premature to say he's going to Rutgers.....but he's still expected to, according to reports. Nothing to worry about.
Sargaent saying it's premature to say he's going to Rutgers.....but he's still expected to, according to reports. Nothing to worry about.
Having an unnamed source is fine - it's having shaky sources that's at issue. If you have an unnamed source with strong ties to the program and solid information, it makes sense to publish information in such a way that conceals who provided it - to both preserve that source for the future, and not to get them in trouble. But if you are going with an unproven "source" who may or may not have good information, you need to treat that as "rumor" or "speculation" rather than anything approaching solid information.
It's more about verifying sources and reporting in such a way that doesn't overcommit which is being lost in a rush to get information out as fast as possible.
It's more about verifying sources and reporting in such a way that doesn't overcommit which is being lost in a rush to get information out as fast as possible.
Zags updated his article now:
https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiti...rtedly-retains-greg-vetrone-updated/171641060
https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiti...rtedly-retains-greg-vetrone-updated/171641060
I'm convinced that Carino is the only reporter that does his homework and actually tries to confirm stories. He hasn't backtracked yet on what he characterized. The rest of these people just shoot first and ask questions later. They say "reports" say and link to other stories but don't do the legwork to actually confirm the stories independently and then say "don't blame me it wasn't my story" after the fact. Sorry, Sarge no one even knows what 247 sports is, do your homework.
like I posted yesterday..Hewitt was alledgedly the confirming source to 24/7...Also Carrino went on Twitter saying 24/7 broke the news and he (carrino) confirmed it himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hewitt
Carino confirmed he was "expected to join"..
Much different than "will join" - which people have been making it out to be. Huge difference, and kind of the way rumors get started in the twitter age.
Much different than "will join" - which people have been making it out to be. Huge difference, and kind of the way rumors get started in the twitter age.
Without accountability the media runs wild spreading rumors as fact and fans are eager for positive news.This might be the second false story on hiring a assistant coach in less than a month with Marshalll and now Knight.The blogs are out of control yet there seems to be no way to verify rumors as fact.
Carino said he was unaware of the 247 report and was working in the story for a couple of hours. When informed that 247 report was first he said he updated his article to reflect that.
The bottom line here is that we are in negotiations with Mr. Knight. Let's hope they go well so we can "confirm" that he's been hired.
Maybe we should all just wait for confirmation from........Wikipedia !!!
Sergent qualified his statement with according to published reports and not confirmed by a Rutgers spokesman. .
Later updated his article to claim not a done deal, but he forwarded speculation as a fact based on what the website 247 said without knowing if it was true.
Shoddy reporting by him and based on published reports instead of unconfirmed reports are two different things.
The way I see it is:
Published reports makes you think it's a fact, unconfirmed reports lets you know it might not be true.
Everything reported was TRUE. Confirmed by 247 source, and I believe confirmed by Carino. Also speculated on these boards all weekend.
Rutgers was EXPECTED to hire Knight...that's the only thing reported.
People misinterpreted that to mean he was hired..which no one reported.
And Sargeant's source shot down that rumor..it's premature to say he was hired.
That's what it seems to me.
Seems to me Sargeant's source was his inability to get anyone to confirm Knight being hired.
( > UPDATE: >A person with knowledge of the situation told NJ Advance Media on Monday morning that the reports of Brandin Knight-to-Rutgers are "premature.'' Pressed for details, the person said "that hasn't happened yet.''<
A person with knowledge of the situation could be anyone in the AD's office that is authrozied to hand out information
My opinion is:
Despite the way you try to spin it the implication in Sargeant's original article is that Knight was hired and he used the 247 blog to pass that bit of misinformation along.
But left wiggle room to claim he didn't state Knight was hired.
Rutgers has to go at a snails pace in the hiring process because of past blunders.
I'm sure Knight will sign.
I'm sure Knight will sign.
Agree.
Information will not be handed out until every t is dotted and every t crossed .
Then will be double and triple checked before any confirmation given out about
Knight being hired.
The media will just continue to speculate and have to wait like us to be informed.
Think inside sources in the AD's office is becoming harder to find than before when some of the media tries to find out what's going on.
I'm very confused. You made such a big stink about the "source" so I just checked 247 & nowhere does it state what you're posting. It clearly states "expected" & "to hire." Was it updated? Here's the title & excerpt:
Sources: Rutgers to Hire Brandin Knight, Retain Greg Vetrone
Rutgers head men's basketball coachSteve Pikiell is expected to hire former Pittsburgh assistant Brandin Knight as an assistant coach, according to 247 National Basketball Analyst Andrew Slater and multiple sources.
I'm not trying to spin anything. Sargeant's original article (at least the one I saw) said Rutgers was expected to hire Knight. They credited 247 with having it first.
Others were spinning this info, thinking it meant it was a done deal. So Sargeant had to clarify.
This will always be a problem in the twitter, social media, instant news world. Things will get spun.
What could this even mean? Expected by whom? And if it has no solid meaning, how does it even qualify as a report?
Lots of reports include "expected to" when they aren't official.
4 days ago, Sargeant tweeted Jay Young was "expected to join the staff". Became official today. Things take time.
Knight hasn't been hired, but is expected to be. Whether or not it will fall through, who knows. We are Rutgers after all...ha...But nothing has changed since this morning, it seems.
My stink was the source Sargeant used ( and admitted he used) in his original article.
Brandin Knight to join Rutgers men's basketball coaching staff, per reports
He stated : the 247 website as the source
>The website Rutgers.247Sports.com was the first to report the news Sunday night.<
edit: am I nitpicking, you bet your sweet bippy I am.
To many times negative articles came out about Rutgers based on rumors without haveing the facts fully checked out before an article was written claiming RU done wrong.
Sometimes it wound up true, but the times nothing was wrong still put RU a bad light because of the misinformation put out in that article.
Blogs are not the type of sources to write an article implying something is going to happen .
Sargeant was just passing along a rumor that probably will happen, but he can't say it will.
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Now Sargeant deflecting by tweeting about Rutgers bureaucratic red tape...blah, blah, blah, Rutgers sucks... to make up for lazy/sloppy "reporting" aka "reporting on other reporters reporting".
Heard from a few people close to the program he has been on campus last week. I just think it's the Rutgers red tape of contract language.
Could be any number of reasons, but it looks like the Athletic Department isn't giving out any information about Knight and the media only can speculate about what's going on and some of that speculation is based on sources that don't have any solid information but are speculating themselves which becomes the bases of articles coming out about Rutgers hiring Brandin.
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