Laviano's 50 yd throw on the run

[ruhudsonfan]

I agree. Wouldn' say dart or frozen rope. The throw was pedestrian for a D1 level QB. I think it is more a testament to lack of decision making skill to throw into double/triple coverage. Lavaiano has a serviceable arm but it is the weakest of any of the QB's that suit up on Saturdays. Rettig and Dare have very strong arms and Gio's looks nice also just has a very long delivery. I also love to hear how people say Rettig is not playing because he cannot get the playbook. This is a kid that graduated from one of the more prestigious parochial schools in California. It is very similar in caliber to a St. Peters Prep or CBA.

Which means what? He's Peyton Manning?

Whitebus just admitted that the kid had issues with the playbook in the Spring. I've been told, by more than one person, that he continued to have issues up until camp broke.

Is a dumb downed playbook with Rettig better than Laviano unwilling to throw downfield? In my view yes. I'm not saying this stuff to advocate for Laviano. I'm passing along what I was told. And these are people on the field.

 

[WhiteBus]

We'll agree to disagree.

We can all agree to disagree but there is no evidence since spring training that Rettig doesn't know the playbook. And if he doesn't cut it down as he has much more physical talent.

 

[RealityChech2]

I can throw a football 50 yards and im 56 years old

I'll take that bet, let's say $50 bucks?

 

[WhiteBus]

I'll take that bet, let's say $50 bucks?

I'll take that bet. Just did it Saturday in the Scarlet Lot. Let's make it $1000. I'm 54.
I'll throw it to another Letterwinner that is in the Rutgers HOF too. Guarantee he catches it. You can try to defend him. You will be like the guy trying to catch foul balls at Yankees Stadium last night.

 

[bac2therac]

sorry that was no dart

 

[WhiteBus]

sorry that was no dart

That was she said. :)

 

[198hamilton]

By definition, Laviano's play book is dumbed down. He cannot or will not throw down field. Doesn't matter who is dumbing it down, OC or QB. If he plays against MSU we will surely lose. Perhaps if HR plays we will lose also. If it's the playbook, HR has had another month to study film, learn the playbook and take some reps (25%?). Why choose a slow (maybe not so slow ) death with a QB who is afraid to throw it more than 15 yards versus a gun slinger who has some good receivers (who are big and can catch)? Are you kidding me? Why not go down swinging versus being frozen at the plate?

 

[RUsSKii]

I don't know what's funnier.. a poster attempting to paint Laviano's play as impressive by showing an intercepted hail-mary pass, or the fact that I'm agreeing with many of the posters in this thread..

 

[loyalty_policia]

Oh please stop! The OP started a dumb thread about a pass that was an interception and your response is just as dumb. Rutgers has a QB that has a very strong arm and he is sitting on the bench!

Why don't you post how many int's that Qb threw... in High school??? I'll wait. And for the record, I like Rettig and will cheer him on when he plays, but you guys are childish and have been pulling this shit since the advent of the boards.

 

[mildone]

I can throw a football 50 yards and im 56 years old

Yeah, I don't believe you.

 

[mildone]

Chech the source. (pun intended)

Don't be stealing my material. [laughing]

 

[FourSpot]

Laviano has thrown 100 passes this season. 95 of them have been floaters. If he can throw darts, he hasn't demonstrated it yet.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I'll take that bet. Just did it Saturday in the Scarlet Lot. Let's make it $1000. I'm 54.
I'll throw it to another Letterwinner that is in the Rutgers HOF too. Guarantee he catches it. You can try to defend him. You will be like the guy trying to catch foul balls at Yankees Stadium last night.

Wait.. you're saying that you'll throw the ball 50 yards, someone will catch it with someone defending him.. in the space between rows of cars? I think you are going to lose $50. All the defender has to do is stand 50-60 yards out and play the ball.

 

[scarletrat]

I wonder if the rettig and playbook concerns isn't just spin control to further justify Kyle fraud's yet another brilliant decision...

If true, and rettig and laviano were close, that suggests to me rettig' s far superior talent wise. In that case I'll take rettig.

If we ran a spread offense, maybe laviano would fit better. But our offense has to stretch the field to run effectively.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Laviano is like Chad Pennington in that his smart decision making makes up for a weak arm.

Pretty much. That was all Laviano has. And he had forward momentum on the throw. He was not simply moving to his right. Still short.

Of course, we could spend a number of pages debating arm strength as if it's some sort of intangible concept that no one can ever pin down. Or we could not, as the strength of Laviano's arm has been on display for all to see game after game. But maybe if we talk about it enough, it'll get stronger.

 

[willisneverrana43]

So you guys wanted him to throw it out of the end zone to prove he has even more arm strength? . . . .

No, probably just far enough to reach all those guys he didn't reach who were IN the end zone with scarlet jerseys on.

 

[Knight Ed]

I think a lot of us on this board will be grabbing a football this weekend to see if we can hit the fifty yard mark.

 

[StyleKnight]

He wasn't running to his left and throwing across is body. He was running to his right and turning upfield as he threw it. He was able to plant his foot and throw with momentum. It really doesn't tell me anything. The throw didn't even get in the end zone and was intercepted. I think Laviano has average to above average arm strength. It's just in stark contrast to Rettig's arm strength which jumps out at you when you watch him play.

My biggest issue is Laviano's 3/4 delivery, which seems to put more of an arc on his throws, making his throws more likely to be inaccurate or over thrown.

 

[MoobyCow]

I think a lot of us on this board will be grabbing a football this weekend to see if we can hit the fifty yard mark.

It's funny how age catches up with you. in HS I could easily throw it that far. Last year I went to have catch while tailgating and I could hardly throw it 50 feet, and the spiral was sorely lacking.

 

[sherrane]

Some of us are missing a fairly significant point. While the ball traveled 50 yards downfield, it was from the point of the throw and straight ahead of him. In other words, it traveled ONLY 50 yards. Let's talk about how far a "50-yard throw" has to be from a 7-yard drop from the near hashmark to the top of the near numbers on a field. The hashmark is 60' from the sideline and the top of the numbers is 27', so a "50 yard throw" would have to travel over 58 yards in the air. A 25-yard deep out with a 7-yard drop from the near hashmark to the far sideline requires the throw travel over 43 yards in the air. Boasting he can throw only 50 yards indicates how little of the playing field defenses must defend, which is why QBs with strong arms are highly coveted.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Listen, those at the game saw it. We've seen his other passes. He does not have a strong arm. I'd say mediocre arm strength at best. I, and I bet many in the crowd, saw that hail mary pass and thought, "yeah, that's about it. Good thing he had momentum going forward, but still not enough." I was actually thinking that RU should have thrown underneath near the 15 or so and try to run/block it in. Because it was unlikely that Laviano would get it there like most QBs would. And he didn't.

All that said, Ryan Hart had a similar arm and was successful. There are other traits, including but not limited to accuracy, that a QB needs and can thrive with even if he doesn't have arm strength. I haven't seen that Laviano has those yet. And I'm not sure what sense it makes to take time to develop them when we have a guy with a howitzer and similarly developed -- and maybe with more accuracy -- on the bench.

 

[RUckusbuck]

I think a lot of us on this board will be grabbing a football this weekend to see if we can hit the fifty yard mark.

Throwing 50 yards ain't easy like it used to be..... if you're over 30.... you need to stop fronting.... lol..

 

[miketd1]

Would like to see more designed roll-outs where he can exercise a run/pass option. It's also a half-field read which would simplify the calculus.

Obviously, this would have to be set up, requiring Laviano to carry out a roll-out fake on many of the runs.

The downside to that is that I believe our play-action game is firmly centered on the fake-draw.

Can't successfully set-up both -- we don't run enough plays per game.

 

[DHajekRC84]

cleaned out my aunt's estate a year ago and came across a set of these. my kids (18/23) flipped that we actually played with these things. Son had a bunch of his college frat guys over and I had to actually take them away before somebody got one impaled somewhere. Does not make for a good drinking game platform.

 

[Leonard23]

cleaned out my aunt's estate a year ago and came across a set of these. my kids (18/23) flipped that we actually played with these things. Son had a bunch of his college frat guys over and I had to actually take them away before somebody got one impaled somewhere. Does not make for a good drinking game platform.

That's awesome. I used to play with them all the time. Wish I could find a real set now.

 

[RULoyal]

That's awesome. I used to play with them all the time. Wish I could find a real set now.

Never put the hoop close to your above ground pool. It does not end well. Live and learn.

 

[imbazza]

We don't know why Rettig isn't playing. This playbook crap goes back to the spring. There was very little issues in the summer. We don't know why Rettig isn't playing because the head coach spent more time emailing professors

tacky post at best but there is a man who the bitching should be address to.
OC-McDaniels as he is calling the plays and he is director of the offense and he decides what is called and WHO THE QB is! Hate flood all you want but you are bitching at the wrong person.

 

[StyleKnight]

A bootleg is a good play call. But you only need to defend a bootleg to his right, he can't roll to his left. It might work once and then the defense will figure it out.

 

[CERU00]

tacky post at best but there is a man who the bitching should be address to.
OC-McDaniels as he is calling the plays and he is director of the offense and he decides what is called and WHO THE QB is! Hate flood all you want but you are bitching at the wrong person.

Why do you think this? Head coach assumes responsibility for a decision that important. They are bitching at the right person.

 

[miketd1]

A bootleg is a good play call. But you only need to defend a bootleg to his right, he can't roll to his left. It might work once and then the defense will figure it out.

You can still roll to your weak side as long as the throw isn't longer than 5-10 yards. Chip Kelly did this when Sanchez was QB to keep edge pass-rushers honest while also moving the launching point. The weak side roll, however, obviously isn't for big plays (unless you have Pat White).

 

[imbazza]

Why do you think this? Head coach assumes responsibility for a decision that important. They are bitching at the right person.

Flood unlike most poster here who's only other source of seeing a HC in action is Schiano Mr. Micromanager. Flood is the direct opposite as he lets his coaches coach
Think about it Flood a lineman and a lineman coach most of his life. He brought Prince, Fridge and hired McDaniels who ran the OC as they say fit and the same with Smith on DC ran the D his way and it showed! he is letting Rossi run the D as he sees fit. You do see the difference in the D from Smith to Rossi. What do you think Flood changed his coaching philosophy in one year. Flood is not you micro manager type.
He is a guy who surrounds himself with people he lets coach so he can address thing like calling Profs. to get players back on the team :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:!A little sarcasm at the end

 

[ru-baby]

He brought Prince, Fridge and hired McDaniels who ran the OC as they say fit////

Really--they never wanted to play Dodd or Rettig?

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

Yeah, I don't believe you.

You only have to throw it 25-30yds, gravity will do the rest if you have sufficient height on it.