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You have a point. I know you went there. But there are some really fugly buildings there as well.

You're certainly right about that. Consider Evans Hall, which is just a stone's throw from the Campanile, and which looks dreadful. The only defense is that you should have seen the "temporary" buildings that stood there for a quarter-century.
 
Did you just go lawmatt on us?;)

Lawmatt has a point when he says that Portland is nicer than New Jersey -- I've been there, so I know what he's talking about -- and I have a point when I say that Berkeley's surroundings look a lot better than New Jersey, too. Both of us speak truth. I guess in that sense I've gone lawmatt. And what's so bad about that, anyway? Without lawmatt this forum would not exist.
 
Lawmatt has a point when he says that Portland is nicer than New Jersey -- I've been there, so I know what he's talking about -- and I have a point when I say that Berkeley's surroundings look a lot better than New Jersey, too. Both of us speak truth. I guess in that sense I've gone lawmatt. And what's so bad about that, anyway? Without lawmatt this forum would not exist.
Sure it would.

And you need to get out more. The Garden State has a lot to offer. For everybody.
 
Sure it would.

And you need to get out more. The Garden State has a lot to offer. For everybody.

I get out a lot, and I know there's a lot about New Jersey to like. I am planning to stay here after I retire because of its unique advantages. But I can still find a lot to like about Portland and Berkeley.

Who took the initiative to have this board set up? It was lawmatt. *No one* can deny that! If you do, then you're seriously off-base.

Oh, and please stop trying to be snippy. You're not good at it at all. Your basic personality is too sweet.
 
You're certainly right about that. Consider Evans Hall, which is just a stone's throw from the Campanile, and which looks dreadful. The only defense is that you should have seen the "temporary" buildings that stood there for a quarter-century.
LOL. You're right. Evans Hall looks like a badly designed office building with no design concept in how it relates to Berkeley's campus. But overall, I love the campus and I love how it's situated on the hill. Just beautiful.
 
I get out a lot, and I know there's a lot about New Jersey to like. I am planning to stay here after I retire because of its unique advantages. But I can still find a lot to like about Portland and Berkeley.

Who took the initiative to have this board set up? It was lawmatt. *No one* can deny that! If you do, then you're seriously off-base.

Oh, and please stop trying to be snippy. You're not good at it at all. Your basic personality is too sweet.
That's all I wanted to hear. :)
 
LOL. You're right. Evans Hall looks like a badly designed office building with no design concept in how it relates to Berkeley's campus. But overall, I love the campus and I love how it's situated on the hill. Just beautiful.

ditto. The Bay Area is a great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there -- no one normal can afford it!
 
Lawmatt has a point when he says that Portland is nicer than New Jersey -- I've been there, so I know what he's talking about -- and I have a point when I say that Berkeley's surroundings look a lot better than New Jersey, too. Both of us speak truth. I guess in that sense I've gone lawmatt. And what's so bad about that, anyway? Without lawmatt this forum would not exist.
I can do without the earthquakes and wildfires.
 
I can do without the earthquakes and wildfires.
Jim originally from NJ, and have lived in California for 32 years. Yes, we have earthquakes, fires and drought, but it's now my home and I like it very much. Also, I get back to NJ and NYC quite often every year including seeing football games and family.
 
I can see why people like California. But I need the 24-7 culture we have here. LA is too hot and there is lacking public transportation, and SF is just way too expensive. Also, I think SoCal is more expensive than here in some regards, real estate is at least as bad.

Never been to Portland but it's on the list.
 
Yes, the west coast, and especially the urban areas of California, have shockingly expensive real estate. I've used buses in L.A., but wouldn't want to depend on them. L.A. is really not that hot -- although the temperatures have been above average the last few years -- and the lack of humidity makes it very nice. When I was on the west coast, I felt that the important things in the country were happening in the northeast, and I didn't think that West Coasters' understanding of the northeast was very deep.

Jim, I can well understand why you love the Princeton campus. I love walking there. I think Berkeley wins because the natural setting is nicer, but I can see your point.
 
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I can see why people like California. But I need the 24-7 culture we have here. LA is too hot and there is lacking public transportation, and SF is just way too expensive. Also, I think SoCal is more expensive than here in some regards, real estate is at least as bad.

Never been to Portland but it's on the list.
LA is NOT too hot. We have maybe two weeks out of the year that gets over 90. Yes, it's true it gets hot 100+ in the valleys, but not by the coast. Also, LA is just as expensive as San Fran. in the top places. And having grown up in NJ real estate in the LA is more than NJ. But again it happens to be where you live. Saddle River or Short Hills would be comparable to any expensive neighborhoods in California.
 
The natural setting of the UC Berkeley campus is so beautiful that even ugly buildings seem acceptable there.
I've been there several times and forgive me, but Berkeley aint all that. The scraggly brown hills of the east bay area don't do anything for me, and parts of Berkeley are just as rough as New Brunswick.
 
I'm sure the drought has a lot to do with how the hills look -- normally, they are green and verdant, and green or not, some of the views from them are really spectacular. And yes, there are rough parts of Berkeley, and I think it may have been worse when I was there. And the business district is in bad shape the last I saw. But the setting, with Strawberry Creek coming down from the hills is spectacular when the hills are green.
 
I'm sure the drought has a lot to do with how the hills look -- normally, they are green and verdant, and green or not, some of the views from them are really spectacular. And yes, there are rough parts of Berkeley, and I think it may have been worse when I was there. And the business district is in bad shape the last I saw. But the setting, with Strawberry Creek coming down from the hills is spectacular when the hills are green.

BTW, those hills are, to a California, "golden" rather than "brown." There's gold in them thar hills! -- at least that's the theory. Also consider the old California motto -- "Bring me men to match my mountains!" A friend of mine used to say, "yeah, with heads as hard as marble!"
 
LA is NOT too hot. We have maybe two weeks out of the year that gets over 90. Yes, it's true it gets hot 100+ in the valleys, but not by the coast. Also, LA is just as expensive as San Fran. in the top places. And having grown up in NJ real estate in the LA is more than NJ. But again it happens to be where you live. Saddle River or Short Hills would be comparable to any expensive neighborhoods in California.

Well for me 70 is hot but I know I am the exception. One of my friends lives in Orange County and it blows my mind how expensive it is there considering how long it takes to get to LA.
 
Well for me 70 is hot but I know I am the exception. One of my friends lives in Orange County and it blows my mind how expensive it is there considering how long it takes to get to LA.

A lot of people who live in Orange County do not work in L.A., but rather in the county itself.
 
Well for me 70 is hot but I know I am the exception. One of my friends lives in Orange County and it blows my mind how expensive it is there considering how long it takes to get to LA.
Seventy is too hot for you??? You know it gets into the 90's on the east coast with 90% humidity right? In SoCal we have what one might call a Mediterranean climate although the valleys get extremely hot (100's) in the summer.

As to real estate, you're right, it's very expensive. A lot of people who live in Orange County either work there, or they have to go at what I call "window" opportunities because traffic is a bear. LA from north Orange County is only about 30 miles, but it can take up to two hours with traffic crawling or as I like to call it, "the parking lot."
 
I once had to drive an unfamiliar rental car at night along the San Diego Freeway to get from the L.A. airport to Irvine. The traffic was heavy but moving. I couldn't believe how long the trip took; I always thought of Irvine as close by. Now I understand why the University of California has a campus in Irvine; it's too far from UCLA. BTW, the Irvine campus and the area struck me as very nice. You could get me to live there if you could help me afford a house and find me a job in the county so that the commute wouldn't be so bad.
 
It was 75 here yesterday and I thought it was way too hot. I know I am odd that way. With the way the climate is going I know I'm in big trouble.

A few weeks ago I was on the 405 in the Irvine area at around 3pm on a Friday. Total bumper to bumper, and it was colder there than it was back here!
 
It was 75 here yesterday and I thought it was way too hot. I know I am odd that way. With the way the climate is going I know I'm in big trouble.

A few weeks ago I was on the 405 in the Irvine area at around 3pm on a Friday. Total bumper to bumper, and it was colder there than it was back here!
Yeah, the weather has been very bizarre. Can you say Climate Change? Shhh. We don't want to upset our deniers.
 
I once had to drive an unfamiliar rental car at night along the San Diego Freeway to get from the L.A. airport to Irvine. The traffic was heavy but moving. I couldn't believe how long the trip took; I always thought of Irvine as close by. Now I understand why the University of California has a campus in Irvine; it's too far from UCLA. BTW, the Irvine campus and the area struck me as very nice. You could get me to live there if you could help me afford a house and find me a job in the county so that the commute wouldn't be so bad.
Camden, Irvine is very expensive and upscale although I call it "The Stepford Wives." It's the ultimate in the "planned community." But my understanding is the that there are beautiful homes that were built just for the professors, so they are much more affordable.
 
Camden, Irvine is very expensive and upscale although I call it "The Stepford Wives." It's the ultimate in the "planned community." But my understanding is the that there are beautiful homes that were built just for the professors, so they are much more affordable.

Didn't know about the faculty housing; thanks I do know that Irvine established a law school several years, and in just a few years it has become very-respected. (Even with law school enrollments dropping, it's not bad to be only one of two public law schools in Southern California.) That's the difference between the University of California and Rutgers; when UC does something, it makes a large enough investment to make the new project work.
 
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Yeah, the weather has been very bizarre. Can you say Climate Change? Shhh. We don't want to upset our deniers.

It was a "warm" 75 in that the humidity was high. I had to turn on the ceiling fan to get to sleep. NIRH, you're going to have to move to rural New England or Canada.
 
Haha I know.

I still can't believe Irvine's start in the rankings at I think 32. It really does to go to show investment pays- and that is something that I think Californians understand more than New Jerseysans, in all aspects. How about that new subway extension out to Santa Monica....meanwhile here in NJ, the state is either first or second in public transportation use, extending the HBLR, the MOM line, the PATH to EWR, are pitched battles, while in LA they sneer at the subway but understand the direction the country is moving.
 
Sure it would.

And you need to get out more. The Garden State has a lot to offer. For everybody.

I'm coming back to NJ, next week, for only the 2nd time since moving out west. I was thinking about what I miss: diners, some parts of the shore (e.g., Asbury Park), and, of course, NYC, if we can count that. I agree that NJ has a lot to offer, but I've found that I don't miss most of it.
 
I'm coming back to NJ, next week, for only the 2nd time since moving out west. I was thinking about what I miss: diners, some parts of the shore (e.g., Asbury Park), and, of course, NYC, if we can count that. I agree that NJ has a lot to offer, but I've found that I don't miss most of it.
And maybe NJ doesn't miss you either. :smiley:

Enjoy your visit.
 
DEVCO just posted this photo online of a mural that will be going up in the commons space at The Yard.
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Love the project but still loathe the name of it. Sorry.
 
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