Watching on TV....our old friend Gary Waters is coaching Clev St. 37-33 at half time. Game at Maryland. Same Gary Waters that fans ran out of town...lol
Maryland vs. Cleveland State
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Watched for 15 minutes in 2nd half (Devils intermission). Twerps played 1-3-1 every possession. I don't remember them playing a lot of zone in the past.
Gary Waters was the best basketball at RU since Tom Young and Mulcahy royally screwed the pooch when he fired GW. The program has been abominable ever since.
Gary Waters was the best basketball at RU since Tom Young and Mulcahy royally screwed the pooch when he fired GW. The program has been abominable ever since.
Maryland was struggling with their half court man to man defense so they went to a secondary defense. It was really a 1-2-2 fullcourt press not a 1-3-1.
Mark Turgeon does not like to press a lot, but coming off of their tournament in Cancun, Mexico he expected the team to be a little flat and use this defense to refocus them.
That's just good coaching.
Thanks. I was wondering if this is normal or a change possibly influenced by rule change.
I don't watch much MD hoops.
I don't watch much MD hoops.
Np.
Just my opinion but Maryland, Purdue and Michigan State are three B1G teams I'd watch play this season almost any night. Purdue is underrated imo. Swanigan is a stud for Purdue. Robert Carter is terrific for Maryland and I just like watching Izzo work
Waters was a great big east coach , especially in conference road games. I always felt confident going into them.
Wake up people ! Waters was not getting it done here and needed to go . The problem was muclhahy hired a dunce in Fred hill . And hey it was waters that took Freddy on his staff the year before !
Wake up people ! Waters was not getting it done here and needed to go . The problem was muclhahy hired a dunce in Fred hill . And hey it was waters that took Freddy on his staff the year before !
I always thought gw was close to turning b the corner. As I remember, it seemed that mulch was afraid fred was gonna get hired by shu so he forced out waters. Not sure if I remember right. Some people told me he was starting to get traction in local recruiting.
We have been through 3 coaches since and the program is now striving to get to the level Waters had us at.
I liked Waters and thought we had our guy, especially after the NIT run. But it really seemed like he didn't want to deal with NJ and much preferred the Midwest. Not a good recruiter and his insistence on keeping his assistants when hired was a recipe for disaster. Thought he was a good game day coach who just didn't have the horses to compete in the Big East.
3 out of his 5 years he was either .500 or 1 game below. That to me is competing. Douby, Inman, Farmer and Griffin were all from this area. They came here to play for him.
I always get a kick out of the rose colored glasses when people look back. Waters got lucky with Coleman but even that year, we could not win on the road. He was not getting it done. The guy who got the closest to getting it done was Bannon. Waters is a very strong defensive coach, a good man, but he simply did not recruit well enough.
RU MBB was a fairly good program under Waters, not one of the best.
Gary was and is a good HC, but not the type that could make RU MBB a top team.
79-75 in his time at RU is better than most and 3 NIT in his 5 years isn't something that would make him look good at any other school except RU
Especially when he had losing seasons 2 out of his 5 years as the RU MBB HC
What makes Gary look so good is because Hill was so bad and Rice almost destroyed the program with his antics .
Mulcahy didn't blow it when he forced Waters out, he blew it by hiring Hill to replace Gary and the chicke$#it way he tried to get rid of Gary.
Many RU fans were OK with Gary being fired at the time , but now act like Waters was better than he was as RU's HC.
His teams were competitive, but not good enough to make the Big Dance post a winning record every year
Gary Waters (Big East Conference) (2001–2006)
2001–2002 Rutgers 18–13 (8–8 )5th NIT First Round
2002–2003 Rutgers 12–16( 4–12) 7th
2003–2004 Rutgers 20–13 (7–9 )9th NIT Runner Up
2004–2005 Rutgers 10–19 (2–14) 12th
2005–2006 Rutgers 19–14 (7–9 )10th NIT First Round
Gary Waters: 79–75 28–52
I recall sitting with Gary eating lunch at Subway. He said there is this guy Jerome Coleman. I am going offer him a scholarship. He isn't very good, but maybe he'll get better.
Wish Gary could have recruited better, he was a good coach that could make the most of what he had on the roster.
please stop. You're making me salivate. An 18, 20, and 19 win season in 3 of 5 years. With exciting players and teams that had chemistry and Heart (Adrian Hill)
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RU hasn't come close to sniffing a 20 win season since Waters was run out of town. The rabid fans that wanted him out got just what they asked for. First, they forget that Fred Hill was forced on coach Waters because everyone kept complaining that he couldn't recruit Jersey and had no relationship with the local coaches. Then, the same nut jobs advocated for Hill to be the new HC because they thought he would crush it as some kind of recruiting guru. They forgot the most important component of the equation though; Hill couldn't actually coach worth a damn! Now a decade later and RU MBB still suffers as a result.
As mentioned above Gary brought his entire staff from Kent st. with him, huge mistake and a definite problem for his recruiting. Someone else indicate Waters brought F. Hill on board, untrue Hill was forced on Water by Mulcahy. The real issue was Mulcahy's paranoia after he "lost" Jay Wright to Villanova, and mistakenly thought Fred Hill was the equivalent of jay Wright and was deathly afraid that Seton Hall was going to grab FH and he would be out maneuvered a second time.
Maybe he didn't have slick recruiters, but he did have a coaching staff he used and trusted on game day.
for all the good he did in making sure RU was set up for the Big 10, Uncle Bob buried the mens hoops program in a tomb and its too far under the earth to rescue
Depending on what they do with the Football Hire. I would hope and think they have the cash "next time" to take the same approach and go spend what they need to get it fixed once and for all.
They are going to have to demo the thing and build a new house for sure.
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