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Wrestling MATCH THREAD: Rutgers 🤼‍♂️ vs. Ohio State

Hopefully he isn't at 184, that would be a complete waste with Poz there. He needs to be in the lineup at 174 going forward.

He is another guy who always looks to score and is very dangerous. He needed to get stronger and hopefully that experience last year paid off.
 
After the 1st one he has to know not to play on the edge. Yet he continued to play on the edge. The hold was made on the edge causing him to go out. He's been in college wrestling forever, yet he still doesn't know after the 1st call you simply can't play the edge?

I'd have to rewatch the match. I'm not sure if he is playing the edge or he is continually getting pushed to the edge due to the size disadvantage. I thought it was the latter.

Sure, but he literally did nothing and hasn't forever. When was the last time he had a big win against even an above average opponent.
Hint: you won't find one
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I could be picky and prove you wrong on that statement. Either way, without elite level or exceptional talent, giving away 20 pounds MINIMUM is a futile effort for just about everyone. The lack of offense is evident but he is still hanging in there with top 10 talent. He did better than expected today, that's my takeaway from today's match. None the less, Rutgers could put a better HWT in there. Oh wait, they don't have one.
 
Turley needs to make the cut to 174, even if he needs to lop a foot or something off to make the weight. He's got talent and isn't afraid to use it. Nice pin in the bonus matches by him.
 
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Turley needs to make the cut to 174, even if he needs to lop a foot or something off to make the weight. He's got talent and isn't afraid to use it. Nice pin in the bonus matches by him.
He is listed at 174 on the roster and looked a little undersized in that match. I think he is a 174 and hopefully can claim that spot.
 
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Turley needs to make the cut to 174, even if he needs to lop a foot or something off to make the weight. He's got talent and isn't afraid to use it. Nice pin in the bonus matches by him.
I don't think he's a 184lber he looked small out there and may have just moved up to get a match. I have a feeling Grello knows his moves in the room and we all know Grello just likes to play defense and uses that against Turley's aggressiveness. Problem is it works for Grello in the room but in a match when he does nothing and just plays defense it backfires.
 
After today lineup I’d like to see:
Shawver
Alvarez
Rivera
MVB also not opposed to Angelo
Kanniard
I guess Donner only bc no one else!!
Turley
Poz
Janzer
McDermott

I’d rather lose with the young aggressive guys gaining experience
I know O'Neill is listed at 174, but I wonder if he could make 165.
 
I was impressed with how active Boone was. He looked athletic and had a great motor. Did wrestle-offs occur this season?
 
I was impressed with how active Boone was. He looked athletic and had a great motor. Did wrestle-offs occur this season?

No and Goody said numerous times that he isn't the biggest fan of them anyway, so they aren't the final say.
 
McDermott has one bad loss this year (I forget who it was against).
I think this is the perfect year for him to get acclimated to the B10.
Not sure throwing him against Gable Stevenson or Mason Paris would be fun for him.

I think Tate Orndoff would handle him easily but i guess that is why you wrestle
 
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McDermott has one bad loss this year (I forget who it was against).
I think this is the perfect year for him to get acclimated to the B10.
Not sure throwing him against Gable Stevenson or Mason Paris would be fun for him.

I think Tate Orndoff would handle him easily but i guess that is why you wrestle
Im pretty sure that was Boone's first folkstyle match this year. He looked bad in a freestyle exhibition match earlier.
 
Disappointing result in a meet that was there for the taking. We won 2 of the 3 tossup matches which normally would mean we win. Not today. Maybe time to give the young guys some prime time experience rather than back up matches.
 
Not to be a stick-in-the-mud here, but I have heard that Aguilar has a doobage problem. Kind of feel like he's going to be another waste of talent like Glasgow.
If you remember last years first match both he and Correnti did not wrestle ...that was reason then and and I’m pretty sure it was a SG issue as well ...I said he would never wrestle here again and got ripped for it but I was right ...if hitting the doobies is still an issue with anyone on this team I’m actually surprised it’s not been fixed ..
 
If you remember last years first match both he and Correnti did not wrestle ...that was reason then and and I’m pretty sure it was a SG issue as well ...I said he would never wrestle here again and got ripped for it but I was right ...if hitting the doobies is still an issue with anyone on this team I’m actually surprised it’s not been fixed ..
Are you equally surprised that Cael and other top program coaches can't either? Such nonsense.
 
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The difference is that Cael sits the kids or moves them off the team. Look at what NC State does and they are pretty good with the longest win streak in the nation. It seems that we have the reputation and can't shake it. Leonard brought it up and it seems to be a problem. If permitted or ignored, Houston we have a problem.

Did you see that Correnti lost today being the only Rider kid to lose to George Mason
 
The difference is that Cael sits the kids or moves them off the team. Look at what NC State does and they are pretty good with the longest win streak in the nation. It seems that we have the reputation and can't shake it. Leonard brought it up and it seems to be a problem. If permitted or ignored, Houston we have a problem.

Did you see that Correnti got pinned today being the only Rider kid to lose to George Mason
Again, stop. I don't know if there's an issue but others mentioned it. If we had the talent of PSU, then we could just sit kids. We don't and can't so we take risks, like I've mentioned before. No one stopped Valencia for years because he was winning. Smith didn't care that Fix was taking his dad's juice from Perry, who just happens to be an assistant coach and Smith's nephew. And there are plenty more across the country. You and others have such unrealistic expectations or a warped sense of reality.
 
Again, stop. I don't know if there's an issue but others mentioned it. If we had the talent of PSU, then we could just sit kids. We don't and can't so we take risks, like I've mentioned before. No one stopped Valencia for years because he was winning. Smith didn't care that Fix was taking his dad's juice from Perry, who just happens to be an assistant coach and Smith's nephew. And there are plenty more across the country. You and others have such unrealistic expectations or a warped sense of reality.
Aguilar is not Valencia or Fix. Not close. And the reality is, it’s Impacting his performance. If it’s not then maybe you don’t worry so much about it. But it is. He’s regressed a ton. He just had a 20 pt swing against the same kid.
 
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Are you equally surprised that Cael and other top program coaches can't either? Such nonsense.
Not going to name names because I’m not sure if this story ever got out but I can tell you there was at least one Penn State wrestler in recent memory that was constantly using cocaine during his all American career.

They’re college kids. I’m not excusing it especially during the season but this is the only time in their lives they can experiment with stuff and not get in real trouble. Yes they all should take a scholarship seriously but they’re kids and kids do dumb things before they realize it’s dumb.
 
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The difference is that Cael sits the kids or moves them off the team. Look at what NC State does and they are pretty good with the longest win streak in the nation. It seems that we have the reputation and can't shake it. Leonard brought it up and it seems to be a problem. If permitted or ignored, Houston we have a problem.

Did you see that Correnti lost today being the only Rider kid to lose to George Mason

See my post directly above this one.
 
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If you remember last years first match both he and Correnti did not wrestle ...that was reason then and and I’m pretty sure it was a SG issue as well ...I said he would never wrestle here again and got ripped for it but I was right ...if hitting the doobies is still an issue with anyone on this team I’m actually surprised it’s not been fixed ..

Why is this such an issue at this point? Maybe a zero tolerance no nonsense rule should be in effect. We cannot have these types of issues affecting our programs. Get rid of those who do not want to stay on the narrow path.
Don't they get tested regularly? I mean the high level programs like Penn State, IOWA etc. have disciplinary measures. This can be a real cancer eating up the team. Who knows how deep of a problem it has on the team. Then on the other hand there are elite wrestlers as mentioned earlier with the same issue performing.

Hopefully the coaching staff can help to curve these issues. Ultimately these young men have to figure it out.
 
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Just give me the young guys who want to wrestle. I don’t care about the dual score. Let Shawver , Turley, McDermott get the experience. Bottom line is this dual was lost by janzer. Kid tries and is a grinder but has no offense.
While true Aguilar is the one who lost to a kid he beat 14-1 last year
 
While true Aguilar is the one who lost to a kid he beat 14-1 last year
True but last year Malik was tiny he finally put on some size and is now a real 125.Look at his results this year major over Barnett a 7 point win over Cardiani and he just beat Aguilar.125 in the Big 10 if your off that's what's gonna happen bunch of top 25 guys who will beat each other up.Barnett pinned Schroder today
 
I could be picky and prove you wrong on that statement. Either way, without elite level or exceptional talent, giving away 20 pounds MINIMUM is a futile effort for just about everyone. The lack of offense is evident but he is still hanging in there with top 10 talent. He did better than expected today, that's my takeaway from today's match. None the less, Rutgers could put a better HWT in there. Oh wait, they don't have one.

I really don't think you can, but let's give it a try. Here are his 24 wins from his time at RU:

2019-2020
#237 Robinson, Parker (1 - 24) #67 Maryland W MD 13 - 4
#137 Smith, Riley (12 - 18) #34 Navy W MD 10 - 1
#206 Montalvo, Ramses (2 - 22) #65 George Mason W FALL 1:50
#70 Esposito, Alex (18 - 14) #32 Rutgers W DEC 3 - 2
#88 Snyder, Jarrod (18 - 12) #59 CSU Bakersfield W DEC 3 - 2
#224 Gonzalez, Randy (2 - 8) #41 Fresno State W MD 8 - 0
#90 McAleavey, Michael (22 - 18) #75 The Citadel W FALL 4:35
Beattie, Allan Pittsburgh-Johnstown W DEC 4 - 0
#230 Nagosky, Tim (10 - 25) #76 LIU W FALL 3:00

2018-2019
#66 Beard, Chase (15 - 13) #30 Michigan State W DEC 7 - 3
#37 Aven, Jacob (13 - 23) #22 Purdue W TB-1 3 - 2
#58 Miller, Fletcher (9 - 8) #34 Indiana W MD 10 - 1
#114 Elfstrum, Kendall (5 - 12) #20 Princeton W MD 12 - 2
#68 Rebottaro, Christian (15 - 10) #30 Michigan State W TB-2 4 - 2
Connelly, Keegan Scranton 12/22 Wilkes Open W DEC 4 - 1
Okaro, Michael Middlesex Community College W FALL 4:23
#35 Lightner, Kyle (7 - 5) #15 Rutgers W MFOR 0 - 0
Huling, Jacob Wilkes 12/22 Wilkes Open W FALL 1:01
#70 Camacho, Niko (14 - 16) #46 American W DEC 3 - 0
#65 Cloud, Ryan (9 - 10) #36 Rider W DEC 2 - 0
#87 McAleavey, Michael (18 - 22) #69 The Citadel W DEC 3 - 0
#89 Haddad, Omar (13 - 15) #59 Hofstra W DEC 3 - 1
#32 Miller, Cary (24 - 13) #43 Appalachian State W SV-1 3 - 1
Goodman, Jerold Centenary (NJ) W FALL 2:56

I see 8 wins against D1 opponents with winning records in 3 seasons so far (2019, 2020, and 2021 YTD), but 2 of them are against RU teammates (Espo and Lightner) in open tournaments, so that brings his non-RU total to 6. That's 6 out of 22.

I see no big wins against top opponents, especially in conference.

His best win by far was against Cary Miller, from App State, in November 2018 in dual in which RU won 26-9. I would hardly call that a big win or even an upset, but if you want to hang your hat on him beating someone from the Southern Conference who racked up wins against opponents from schools such as Campbell, Chattanooga, VMI, The Citadel, Gardner-Webb, Davidson, etc. then so be it but it seems like a foolish hill to die on. Moreover, there was literally no offense in that match either.

It's hard to say that he did better than expected yesterday given the situation. If were were winning by 4 going into that match, then sure he did his job keeping it to a decision and secured the victory for his team. I could 100% get behind that and say he is a team player... but when we are losing and need 3 points to win, and you do absolutely nothing offensively that's hardly doing your job. It didn't matter if we lost by fall there we were going to lose the dual regardless unless we won the match. Situational awareness is key, I don't think anyone would have faulted him getting pinned if he were going for a big move to secure the victory, because like i said it didn't matter if we lost by 3 or 6 there.

Not trying to attack anyone, but I think we need to be a little more objective when evaluating performance and it becomes painfully obvious that we've had a lack of high level production in a key areas for a while now. Again, that's not to say that the coaches aren't to blame either for not developing or recruiting better at certain spots but at some point you can't keep trying the same thing and expecting different results.
 
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I really don't think you can, but let's give it a try. Here are his 24 wins from his time at RU:

2019-2020
#237 Robinson, Parker (1 - 24) #67 Maryland W MD 13 - 4
#137 Smith, Riley (12 - 18) #34 Navy W MD 10 - 1
#206 Montalvo, Ramses (2 - 22) #65 George Mason W FALL 1:50
#70 Esposito, Alex (18 - 14) #32 Rutgers W DEC 3 - 2
#88 Snyder, Jarrod (18 - 12) #59 CSU Bakersfield W DEC 3 - 2
#224 Gonzalez, Randy (2 - 8) #41 Fresno State W MD 8 - 0
#90 McAleavey, Michael (22 - 18) #75 The Citadel W FALL 4:35
Beattie, Allan Pittsburgh-Johnstown W DEC 4 - 0
#230 Nagosky, Tim (10 - 25) #76 LIU W FALL 3:00

2018-2019
#66 Beard, Chase (15 - 13) #30 Michigan State W DEC 7 - 3
#37 Aven, Jacob (13 - 23) #22 Purdue W TB-1 3 - 2
#58 Miller, Fletcher (9 - 8) #34 Indiana W MD 10 - 1
#114 Elfstrum, Kendall (5 - 12) #20 Princeton W MD 12 - 2
#68 Rebottaro, Christian (15 - 10) #30 Michigan State W TB-2 4 - 2
Connelly, Keegan Scranton 12/22 Wilkes Open W DEC 4 - 1
Okaro, Michael Middlesex Community College W FALL 4:23
#35 Lightner, Kyle (7 - 5) #15 Rutgers W MFOR 0 - 0
Huling, Jacob Wilkes 12/22 Wilkes Open W FALL 1:01
#70 Camacho, Niko (14 - 16) #46 American W DEC 3 - 0
#65 Cloud, Ryan (9 - 10) #36 Rider W DEC 2 - 0
#87 McAleavey, Michael (18 - 22) #69 The Citadel W DEC 3 - 0
#89 Haddad, Omar (13 - 15) #59 Hofstra W DEC 3 - 1
#32 Miller, Cary (24 - 13) #43 Appalachian State W SV-1 3 - 1
Goodman, Jerold Centenary (NJ) W FALL 2:56

I see 8 wins against D1 opponents with winning records in 3 seasons so far (2019, 2020, and 2021 YTD), but 2 of them are against RU teammates (Espo and Lightner) in open tournaments, so that brings his non-RU total to 6. That's 6 out of 22.

I see no big wins against top opponents, especially in conference.

His best win by far was against Cary Miller, from App State, in November 2018 in dual in which RU won 26-9. I would hardly call that a big win or even an upset, but if you want to hang your hat on him beating someone from the Southern Conference who racked up wins against opponents from schools such as Campbell, Chattanooga, VMI, The Citadel, Gardner-Webb, Davidson, etc. then so be it but it seems like a foolish hill to die on. Moreover, there was literally no offense in that match either.

It's hard to say that he did better than expected yesterday given the situation. If were were winning by 4 going into that match, then sure he did his job keeping it to a decision and secured the victory for his team. I could 100% get behind that and say he is a team player... but when we are losing and need 3 points to win, and you do absolutely nothing offensively that's hardly doing your job. It didn't matter if we lost by fall there we were going to lose the dual regardless unless we won the match. Situational awareness is key, I don't think anyone would have faulted him getting pinned if he were going for a big move to secure the victory, because like i said it didn't matter if we lost by 3 or 6 there.

Not trying to attack anyone, but I think we need to be a little more objective when evaluating performance and it becomes painfully obvious that we've had a lack of high level production in a key areas for a while now. Again, that's not to say that the coaches aren't to blame either for not developing or recruiting better at certain spots but at some point you can't keep trying the same thing and expecting different results.

Looks like we got our information from the same source. The challenge was to find an above average opponent. I would call a #32 ranked wrestler with a 24-13 record above average. Yes it's nit picky and I said it would be. It's too bad I had to search through all those matches to find that lone victory.
 
He looks undersized at 184. I'd rather watch Turley try and lose, than watch Grello do absolutely nothing and lose.
I think I would too ...definitely exciting to watch ..assuming he makes the weight without cutting too much ...I know that was an issue last year with him
 
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I think I would too ...definitely exciting to watch ..assuming he makes the weight without cutting too much ...I know that was an issue last year with him
Last year it was to 165 though. That cut was way too much, but he wanted into the starting lineup and it didn't work out. 1st thing I noticed when the two wrestlers came out was man that kid looks really big compared to Turley. Then when they said it's a 184lb match my first inclination was Turley moved up to get a match. I could be wrong but to me he didn't even look close to 184 lbs..

I love the kids attitude though. I'm just going to go for it. I'm not sitting back for anyone. Nerve racking and head scratching at times for fans but we all love the excitement he brings.
 
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There's a difference between being off for a match and not showing up. Thus far Aguilar has decided not to show up this year
Do you know what his training has been like leading up to the season? Has he been out for a period of time ? Just curious
 
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