At the county prosecutor's discretion, 3 things can happen: 1) grand jury indictment; 2) pre indictment plea offer by the prosecutor at the 11/4 conference (could be before but not likely) and 3) downgrade to disorderly persons offense(s) and a plea deal with the municipal prosecutor. The timing on all these is in the discretion of the prosecutor as well.
Football Max Melton & Chris Long Suspended
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Your a clown that thinks this was nothing and Ok with it. Hope you don't have kids. Poor parenting leads to issues
Based on what data do you make that claim? Capital punishment, for example, hasn’t been shown to be the deterrent it was claimed to be/become, so the argument from deterrence isn’t one that will work in your favor. Making a point to others by ruining these kids’ lives isn’t a fair treatment of their case. Many other things were serve to make the point for the players—one-month suspension, community service, or some other thing, but barring more nefarious details, kicking them off the team is a merciless and thoughtless approach.
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Schiano isn't flood. He's dealt with this before and he will handle it again.
What is the line that separates “a college, youthful mistake” and a crime?
is it only a “mistake” cause of the outcome? Say they paintball hits the victims eye and is permanently blinded..still just a “kid making a mistake”?
is it only a “mistake” cause of the outcome? Say they paintball hits the victims eye and is permanently blinded..still just a “kid making a mistake”?
I hope you are right but we have seen prosecutors put personal and career advancement ahead of seeking justice at the expense of the wrongfully accused or over indicted.
my data is every single club, job, organization ive ever been involved in. You follow the rules. If you don’t, you get kicked out.
They made a decision to play a stupid prank. It was very unlikely that anyone would get seriously hurt from what they did because they shot at the lower body from close range (they obviously weren’t aiming for the head or eyes based on the injury descriptions to lower body and the danger of paintball is mostly the risk of shooting someone in the eye). Yes - when playing paintball recreationally it’s true that precautions such as the goggles are taken. But people still pay money to shoot at each other with paint balls for fun. We’re not talking about a semi automatic gun here.
This is the kind of thing you ground your kid for, strip them of any and all privileges, and pile on the extra chores as punishment. Not sure how long the suspension should be (at least a few games) but jail time seems extreme.
Sute there are, Oregon just this year. 3 week suspension and the two DB’s back for the OSU game. They shot a guy in the face with a paint ball gun
As you say..“strip them of any and all privelages”….like the privilege of representing their school and the state on a football field. Totally agree.
and totally agree jail is excessive
That says it all about you! Yet you would be the outrageous cry baby if this happened your kid. Hope you experience it someday as you need a real life attitude adjustment. Typical its OK clown as long it doesn't happen to me.
So the rules say that you’re automatically kicked off the team forever? You’ve never been involved with a job, club or organization that wasn’t overarchingly legalistic in its application of their rules? Besides, you’re basing your whole argument on what should happen to them on what has happened to you in your life. Maybe no one has ever shown you compassion, but they’ve sometimes shown it to me and that’s tempered me in how I treat others.
if you have children, have you ever let them off the hook or reduced their punishment for violating a house rule? Or not thrown the book at them, and then some?
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You started by calling people jackasses for not agreeing with you. You're a clown.
You also keep talking about my kids (and you don't even know if I have them) so stfu you keyboard warrior.
we aren’t talking about a “house rule” here, though. We’re talking about committing a crime!
if they broke a rule within the program..of course I wouldn’t kick them off the team,
But every job, club, organization I’ve been in..you commit a crime you’re out
Zero chance of that happening. Ask them to pay their own way for a year, and they'll find a school that won't. Besides, under B1G rules I don't think pulling their ship is even an option.
this too. Brand image is huge.
first game at 3:30 on abc. National televised. And the main storyline for RU is two players commit drive by. Not a phenomenal look
I wonder how often this will be referenced now on ABC national TV.
Each time Bo makes a play or the secondary is playing they could talk about this.
Really disappointing. Puts a damper on the whole week. whole season and the whole program.
I’m really glad it’s not your decision. No doubt they should be punished but we still don’t have all of the details (and might never) yet you’ve already concluded they should be off the team.
Ok so in a household - after sitting home for 2-3 weeks to a month - the kid does what they are supposed to do. Apologizes to all involved. Gets things back on track and punishment eventually lifted. Should be the same here. I’m not sure the proper length of time. Maybe a couple games? Perhaps more.
Thankfully most of the media is framing it a little differently than a “drive by.” The ESPN headline almost downplays it.
Rutgers suspends CBs for paintball gun incident
Rutgers cornerbacks Max Melton, who was listed on the depth chart as a starter, and Chris Long have been suspended ahead of Saturday's Big Ten opener at No. 19 Michigan.
It was mentioned earlier in this thread. In August, two Oregon players were arrested for shooting a person in a face with an airsoft BB gun.
University of Oregon football players charged on suspicion of shooting people with airsoft gun
Desmond (DJ) James and Jamal Hill have been suspended from the team since the alleged incident.
www.registerguard.com
They were permitted to go into a diversion program.
University of Oregon football players charged with airsoft gun shooting given diversion program
The program requires 40 hours of community service, mandatory counseling, and several other requirements.
www.registerguard.com
By the way, the story details: "At about 11:45 p.m. Aug. 3, Eugene police were dispatched to 14th Avenue and Willamette Street for reports of "a man who had been shot in the face with a realistic-looking airsoft gun... by someone in a sedan that had driven past him," according to police reports. Three other people reported similar incidents around the same area and timeframe."
Both players were taken off suspension and permitted to play in the Ohio State game on Sept. 11
Oregon Ducks defensive backs Jamal Hill, DJ James available to play against Ohio State
Hill and Jamal were suspended for fall camp and the first game of the season.
Paintball guns are typically limited to under 300 feet per second (FPS). Airsoft guns (used by the Oregon players to shoot BBs) are under 400 FPS.
"Let us observe the guns first. The fire rate is the most important differentiator and when it comes to airsoft guns, it is between 300 and 400 fps. On the other hand, paintball guns rarely reach 300 fps. In fact, many paintball fields explicitly disallow players from exceeding this threshold. It may not seem like much, but make no mistake— this is a considerable difference.
Namely, paintball ammunition is designed only to inflict a small amount of pain and besides, balls are blunt and wide. Regardless, in close quarters or point blank range, they can hurt more than little. Yet, that is still nothing compared to the notorious airsoft ammunition, which is capable of piercing various objects and human skin. This is not just due to higher fps, but also the fact that its force is not distributed over a large targeted area (ammo is smaller)."
Airsoft vs Paintball - Which Extreme Sport is More Dangerous - Extreme Sports Lab
Airsoft and paintball share many similarities, but they are far from created equal. Despite popular assumptions, both of these extreme sports...
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Cristobal initially suspended the Oregon players. They were reinstated for game 1:
DJ James and Jamal Hill to be reinstated after the season opener
Jamal Hill and DJ James, once indefinitely suspended, will be reinstated, and available to play September 11th vs. Ohio State.
duckswire.usatoday.com
Oregon's DJ James, Jamal Hill return after suspension for alleged 'airsoft gun' incident
EUGENE, Ore. — Oregon Ducks football coach Mario Cristobal announced on Friday afternoon that defensive backs DJ James and Jamal Hill would be reinstated for practice purposes after being indefinitely suspended earlier in the month. The two were suspended after Eugene Police say they shot...
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Mario Cristobal has been called a Greg Schiano "clone" by everybody's favorite beat writer Politi:
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I have not and I will not offer any opinion on what happened with the incident or these young men. In my opinion, there is far too much speculation on both sides and all of the facts are not known. From everything that has been shown about the Meltons, they are a great family, the Bo and Max appear to be fine young men and representatives of Rutgers University. We know less about Chris Long.
The young men, the people who were injured by the paint balls and the prosecutors will hopefully come to a mutually acceptable course of action for the two young men. They may or may not get off as easy as the two Oregon players. That will be determined by the parties, the facts and the disposition of the prosecutors. Next, the University will have to determine if the two young men may remain students of the University. Then, it will be up to the parents of the two young men and Greg to determine their appropriate status on the football team. Regardless of everyone's different opinions, it would be fair to abide by what is decided.
EDIT- by the way, a huge thanks to @Antnee79 for one of the few people in this thread providing reasoned, non-emotional and useful information on how the situation could be resolved.
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this isn’t “in a household” though.
this is a billion dollar business and they just made a ridiculously stupid decision to commit a crime, and in doing so royally screwed their “employer”. They should be gone
Ya know going out of your way to be insulting because you didn't get the joke everyone else got isn't really a good look for anyone.
The flaw in your logic is that if you punish your children overly harshly, they don't have the option of finding alternate parents. However, if the University and/or its football coach should determine that these two young men should continue their academic and athletic careers elsewhere, they will both find takers.
It's not a question of showing or denying mercy. It's a question of doing the right thing for all concerned.
I actually forwarded this thread to a friend who is getting her doctorate in psychology. She said she plans on using it to do her thesis
I HIGHLY doubt they’re going to harp on this. They may talk about it before the game a little but I would think that’s about it.
There is some serious A++ material in this thread.
Just putting this here due to the timing and circumstances. Not saying this was them, but I sure hope it wasn't any other athlete either... This type of stuff should not be happening, regardless of who is doing it...
Not everyone would lose their job for that. In fact, I'm not even sure most would. Especially right now.
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