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Football Max Melton & Chris Long Suspended

Two completely different situations. Also easier to spot a slow moving car on Livingston campus with paintballs being shot out the window than 5 fans in a sea of 80,000
The Browns brawl this weekend was one of the most violent in a while, and all actors in it were visibly identifiable.
 
Given the fact that COVID protocols are still in place, and grand jury proceedings are not easily obtained, and given that thankfully no one was seriously hurt, and that the incident can easily be explained as a prank gone wrong, I think it is more likely than not that the charges will be remanded to Piscataway Municipal Court for disposition as disorderly persons offenses, where a fine and community service will be meted out, and many mea culpas will be uttered by Chris and Max. Under that scenario, I think the suspensions could be lifted. Hopefully, the prosecutor will expedite the review and hopefully remand the case so that it can be resolved well before 11/4.
Assuming they are genuinely remorseful and can clearly articulate that, and neither of them was already on thin ice, I think this would be a great outcome. Fingers crossed. Someone needs to take their stupid pills away from them. And papa Melton needs to get the belt out.

I also think they need to apologize to each of the victims in person.
 
kick these idiots off the team
Disagree completely, and it wouldn't matter if it happened to players on other teams. The blood-in-the-water mentality of online hanging judges is revolting. Doing something like what they did might warrant losing a year, which would be lifelong punishment enough, but booting them from the team (and university) isn't a proper response. I've been shown mercy in my life, and that's caused me to consider a more measured response when people fvck up.
 
Holy exaggeration there Batman. Have to play the racism card when there was none in this incident? Lucky that they weren't killed by the police? What world do you live in?
So racial profiling doesn’t exist? Racism doesn’t exist? People aren’t more likely to call the cops on a black make than a white male?

speaking about what world people live in….. some are oblivious or racist themselves.
 
There is a presumption of NON INCARCERATION for third and fourth degree crimes for first time offenders; the exceptions to the presumption do not apply here. Having said that, if the county prosecutor wants to make headlines regarding this case it could be dragged out well beyond the season as you
There is a presumption of NON INCARCERATION for third and fourth degree crimes for first time offenders; the exceptions to the presumption do not apply here. Having said that, if the county prosecutor wants to make headlines regarding this case it could be dragged out well beyond the season as you suggest.
I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification. If this was an aggravated assault charge bc of a fist fight with injury, I’m assuming this would get kicked back to municipal court and pled out to a DP. I’m assuming the fact that this is agg assault with a weapon, this will go to a grand jury?
 
If the aggravated assault charge gets dropped then this can easily be worked out for the players to come back imo.

Is that likely or possible?
 
There is a presumption of NON INCARCERATION for third and fourth degree crimes for first time offenders; the exceptions to the presumption do not apply here. Having said that, if the county prosecutor wants to make headlines regarding this case it could be dragged out well beyond the season as you suggest.
I doubt even a headline seeking prosecutor want's to piss off the whole political establishment in NJ and the RU fanbase.
 
Right. Before you fire a paintball gun you need to attach a CO2 tank and load paintballs into a hopper. It takes some time. So either they went out planning to pop a few off at some friends, or they just happened to be riding around with a fully equipped paintball gun. Foolish and reckless either way.
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I doubt even a headline seeking prosecutor want's to piss off the whole political establishment in NJ and the RU fanbase.
Lost in all this is that Max and Chris won't get to play in the Big House, which is something the players like to have on their resumes. Shitshow all the way around.
First date in superior court is Nov 4th. They aren’t seeing the field again this year.
 
You can’t get away with shit like that anymore. Imagine the scandal if somehow it was uncovered?

Schiano will make an example of them, and rightfully so. Very selfish of them.
Schiano doesn't need to make an example of anyone. His credibility and authority are well established. Discipline on the team seems good.

He needs to think of these two people as young men that made a bad mistake. And do what's best for the team without forgetting about the well being of the young people that are in his charge.
 
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Disagree completely, and it wouldn't matter if it happened to players on other teams. The blood-in-the-water mentality of online hanging judges is revolting. Doing something like what they did might warrant losing a year, which would be lifelong punishment enough, but booting them from the team (and university) isn't a proper response. I've been shown mercy in my life, and that's caused me to consider a more measured response when people fvck up.

This isn’t someone “effing up”. They shot people with paintball guns.

im arrested for this, I lose my job. What’s different?
 
'doing what's best for the team' is lame. That's code for slap on the wrist punishment. Let me guess, we will also hear how being part of the team and playing football is best for these two people because it's their support system.
 
This isn’t someone “effing up”. They shot people with paintball guns.

im arrested for this, I lose my job. What’s different?
I think we'd have to know the motive. Was this at their friends and they were joking or was it at random people or were they targeting people on purpose for malicious reasons. Intent is important.
 
I think we'd have to know the motive. Was this at their friends and they were joking or was it at random people or were they targeting people on purpose for malicious reasons. Intent is important.

highly doubt there woukd be assault charges if they we’re screwing around with their friends…
 
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I doubt even a headline seeking prosecutor want's to piss off the whole political establishment in NJ and the RU fanbase.
I'm more concerned of prosecutors going out of their way to avoid all perception of preferential treatment for collegiate athletes, let alone the state university.
 
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This isn’t someone “effing up”. They shot people with paintball guns.

im arrested for this, I lose my job. What’s different?
Merely because you'd lose your job for it doesn't mean I’d agree with that decision, either--we've become too much of an all-or-nothing, reactionary culture, which is partly based on how easy it is to express our opinions online in a me-versus-you, winner-take-all dynamic. That's not my approach. I don't base my sentiments about Max and Chris's situation on something that would happen elsewhere, whether in a professional workplace or not. These are young guys who will pay a price for what they did, and losing playing time and respect of their teammates, classmates, and perhaps future employers is a lot to bear. They may also have a criminal record because of it. Their screw-up doesn't mean that we should instinctively pile on additional punishments.

To put it another way, we have created a society that demands repentance but is unwilling to grant forgiveness.
 
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Really dumb, but how do these guys get aggravated assault when every weekend dozens of videos come out showing massive football fan melees where 5+ grown men will be throwing haymakers, knocking out innocent people, and damaging personal belongings and nothing ever comes of it.
You can't figure that out??
 
Merely because you'd lose your job for it doesn't mean I would agree with that decision--we've become too much of an all-or-nothing, reactionary culture, which is partly based on how easy it is to express our opinions online in a me-versus-you, winner-take-all dynamic. That's not my approach. I don't base my sentiments about Max and Chris's situation on something that would happen elsewhere, whether in a professional workplace or not. These are young guys who will pay a price for what they did, and losing playing time and respect of their teammates, classmates, and perhaps future employers is a lot to bear. They may also have a criminal record because of it. Their screw-up doesn't mean that we should instinctively pile on additional punishments.

To put it another way, we have created a society that demands repentance but is unwilling to grant forgiveness.

i think it should…adding additional punishments Is necessary so these mistakes are made less frequently.

Highly doubt this mistake wouldn’t have been made if these kids KNEW it woukd lead to their football careers ending.
 
This thread has run a completely predictable 2020s course! Impressive and fascinating!😱
 
When you think about how coddled scholarship athletes are (understandably so) at major universities, the idea that anyone might even come close to not being severely punished for this is preposterous. I don’t know the demographics of the students that were hit, but if any of them were gay or of an international background then that’s a national scandal right there if the perpetrators are not punished to the fullest extent possible. If a major university isn’t seen as protecting its rank-and-file student body, then that’s a scandal much bigger than some jocks missing some games.
 
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Sit them for a half or the whole game at Michigan. Then welcome them back with the stipulation that any further issues means explusion.

This was a bad mistake.. kids do stupid things.

There used to be a game played on campuses across this country of "assassinating" eachother... they even made a goofy movie..

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