My Big 10 power rankings

[bac2therac]

1. Michigan State 10-1
2. Purdue 11-2
3. Minnesota 9-3
4. Ohio State 9-3
5. Michigan 10-3
6. Maryland 10-3
7. Northwestern 8-4
8. Rutgers 10-3
9. Indiana 6-5
10. Penn State 8-3
11. Nebraska 7-5
12. Wisconsin 5-7
13. Illinois 8-5
14. Iowa 6-6


Think Michigan State and Purdue have proven to be the top 2 and with Minnesotas struggles it looks like they have fallen far below the top 2 at this point. Big bunch right after that and yes RU based on their win today and their close losses have to be included in a bunch of 7 or so schools outside of the top 3. Seems like with the non conference part of the schedule winding down, more questions than answers remain about the Big 10 and who are the serious contenders

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Nebraska just lost to Kansas by 1 and beat Minnesota.

I am thinking we are currently #13 ahead of Illinois.

Good news is that we have closed the gap and aren't far from the middle of the pack.

 

[bac2therac]

I am going to disagree.....RU actually has one of the best OOC wins in the league, how can you discount that...only Michigan State has a better win, even Purdue's win isnt better...given RU was competitive vs FSU/MSU you have to give them more credit. Some could make a case that RU should be as high as 4 or 5. Lunardi could have RU on the bubble right now based on the big time quality win that alot of schools do not have.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I am going to disagree.....RU actually has one of the best OOC wins in the league, how can you discount that...only Michigan State has a better win, even Purdue's win isnt better...given RU was competitive vs FSU/MSU you have to give them more credit. Some could make a case that RU should be as high as 4 or 5. Lunardi could have RU on the bubble right now based on the big time quality win that alot of schools do not have.

We are in last place and have been for years. Let's officially get out of the basement first

 

[LOU-RU85]

One has nothing to do with the other. The fact that we were in last place for years has no measure on the quality of the team this year. Bac’s criteria is much better grounded.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

There truly is a blanket over things now...I think Holtmann and Beilien are coaches that will get the most out of their rosters and Maryland has a lottery pick....I would place Michigan and Maryland in a category below the top 3....

NW....Ohio State....all have seniors and or vastly improved...

The rest include RU which needs to show what they can do away from the RAC...

I know people are down on Iowa Nebraska and Penn State but all have pieces that are solid with explosive guards...My hope was Geo Baker could mimic Penn States Tony Carr....that has been exactly what we've gotten....if Baker can have half of the B1G games like yesterday then RU is in a lot of 1 possession games all year long.

 

[shields]

Wisconsin is terrible and sorry not better than us.

 

[PatrickRU92]

looks good but I might have Michigan as high as #3 right now. They have been extremely impressive after a dubious start to the season. Same ol' UM, making 3s, scoring points.

NW frankly hasn't looked nearly as good as last year but I guess as of today you have to put them over us just out of respect

Wisconsin looks awful. I'm going to be disappointed if we don't beat them at home. They are the worst in the B1G right now.

Admittedly I have not yet seen Illinois play yet and have not yet watched State Penn, mostly because State Penn.

 

[Sideline20]

Our kenpom moved from 100 to 90th in the country. Projected record (regular season) 17-14 / (6-12 B1G).

Kenpom B1G Projections- Power Rating in parenthesis -the strength of schedule, H/A games is used in the standings projection

(1) Michigan State 15-3
(2) Purdue 14-4
(3) Ohio State, (4) Michigan, (6) Penn State 10-8
(7) Minnesota, (5) Maryland, (8) Northwestern 9-9
(9) Wisconsin projected at 8-10
(10) Indiana and (11) Nebraska projected at 7-11
(12) Iowa and (13) Rutgers 6-12
(14) Illinois 5-13

 

[RutgHoops]

I think Minnesota, Michigan, and Maryland are 3, 4, 5. Probably Minnesota at #5 until I see more. 6-14 is tight. And someone is finishing 6th.

The biggest factor for RU is how good can we be at home. As shown yesterday the RAC is a real home court advantage. Can we go 6-3 at home? We are 0-1 right now. If it’s loud 8 more times we might get 6. Need 5 wins at home.

 

[BillyC80]

Gotta win at home vs OSU to have a shot to finish better than 10th in league.

Starting out 0-2 in league with @Purdue up next totally blows but with those games and of course @MSU out of the way I think we project as a 9-9 team (if we win at home against OSU) which should be good enough for 9th place in the B1G.

 

[RutgHoops]

Gotta win at home vs OSU to have a shot to finish better than 10th in league.

Starting out 0-2 in league with @Purdue up next totally blows but with those games and of course @MSU out of the way I think we project as a 9-9 team (if we win at home against OSU) which should be good enough for 9th place in the B1G.

I think 9-9 is going to better than 9th. I think 10-8 might be good enough for 6th.

 

[Scarlet83]

We are in last place and have been for years. Let's officially get out of the basement first

No, we don’t need to be out of last place first. That isn’t the concept of Power rankings.

 

[jellyman]

Our kenpom moved from 100 to 90th in the country. Projected record (regular season) 17-14 / (6-12 B1G).

Kenpom B1G Projections- Power Rating in parenthesis -the strength of schedule, H/A games is used in the standings projection

(1) Michigan State 15-3
(2) Purdue 14-4
(3) Ohio State, (4) Michigan, (6) Penn State 10-8
(7) Minnesota, (5) Maryland, (8) Northwestern 9-9
(9) Wisconsin projected at 8-10
(10) Indiana and (11) Nebraska projected at 7-11
(12) Iowa and (13) Rutgers 6-12
(14) Illinois 5-13

Unless RU loses to Hartford or Stony Brook, KenPom has some math wrong. If RU beats both Hartford and Stony Brook, then EITHER:

1) RU goes 18-13, not 17-14, if they go 6-12 in the Big Ten

OR

2) RU only goes 5-13 in the Big Ten - and that is how RU gets to 17-14.

Because ... RU is now 10-3, 10-1 OOC. If RU wins against both Hartford and Stony Brook, then RU is 12-1 OOC, so 6-12 in the Big Ten gets RU 18 wins, regular season.

Just saying ...

P.S. 6-12 in the Big Ten in the regular season is a reasonable projection, and pre-season RU fans would have been generally extremely happy with such a result. And still should be very happy ... not that RU fans should not HOPE for a little better ... but 6-12 would show excellent progress, with an upward trajectory.

 

[whofrewdatmataRU13]

Unless RU loses to Hartford or Stony Brook, KenPom has some math wrong. If RU beats both Hartford and Stony Brook, then EITHER:

1) RU goes 18-13, not 17-14, if they go 6-12 in the Big Ten

OR

2) RU only goes 5-13 in the Big Ten - and that is how RU gets to 17-14.

Because ... RU is now 10-3, 10-1 OOC. If RU wins against both Hartford and Stony Brook, then RU is 12-1 OOC, so 6-12 in the Big Ten gets RU 18 wins, regular season.

Just saying ...

P.S. 6-12 in the Big Ten in the regular season is a reasonable projection, and pre-season RU fans would have been generally extremely happy with such a result. And still should be very happy ... not that RU fans should not HOPE for a little better ... but 6-12 would show excellent progress, with an upward trajectory.

He probably isn't counting the CCNY game as a believe it won't count towards post season.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

He has us winning 1.78 more OOC games and 5.70 B1G.

That is 7.48 wins which is only 7.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

No, we don’t need to be out of last place first. That isn’t the concept of Power rankings.

I agree, but a good tiebreaker.

 

[jellyman]

He has us winning 1.78 more OOC games and 5.70 B1G.

That is 7.48 wins which is only 7.

Which is stupid ... and yes, I understand the concept of computer spreadsheet modelling and rounding ... it is still stupid, since it is actually impossible to win 1.78 additional OOC games, or 5.70 Big Ten games ... or even 7.48 games.

I do financial modelling and analysis for a living, and have for decades ... models that produce stupid results need to be fixed so they do not produce stupid results (and there is always a way) ... or else they remain stupid and of reduced value.

You explaining KenPom is appreciated, but makes their model no less stupid.

I guess I have made my views clear, eh? LOL!

P.S. Whofrew: CCNY is included, Greene's explanation is the right one .. still stupid (not Greene, KenPom). Flogging a stupidly dead horse, here, I know.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Go back to your binary world! :smiley:

In all seriousness why is it stupid.

In my eyes the major flaw in his analysis is margin of victory through out all games without caps.

Beat a cupcake by 40 and lose to a good team by 10 equals beating cupcake by 29 and the good team by 1

 

[armenius]

Sagarin has us 9th ahead of Northwestern, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois

 

[RUtrumpet92]

In all seriousness why is it stupid.

It is stupid if the analysis says we will go 6-12 in conference but only win seven more games. Then the prediction is we will lose one more non conference game. If one wishes to break down both separately, then say we will win 8 more games.

If the objective is only to predict our overall win total when the regular season ends, I see no problem with saying we will win 7 more games (although I expect to surpass that).

 

[RutgersMO]

Unless RU loses to Hartford or Stony Brook, KenPom has some math wrong. If RU beats both Hartford and Stony Brook, then EITHER:

1) RU goes 18-13, not 17-14, if they go 6-12 in the Big Ten

OR

2) RU only goes 5-13 in the Big Ten - and that is how RU gets to 17-14.

Because ... RU is now 10-3, 10-1 OOC. If RU wins against both Hartford and Stony Brook, then RU is 12-1 OOC, so 6-12 in the Big Ten gets RU 18 wins, regular season.

Just saying ...

P.S. 6-12 in the Big Ten in the regular season is a reasonable projection, and pre-season RU fans would have been generally extremely happy with such a result. And still should be very happy ... not that RU fans should not HOPE for a little better ... but 6-12 would show excellent progress, with an upward trajectory.

Being slightly dyslexic, I'm going with 12-6.

Here's hoping....

MO

 

[SirPerceval]

Don't think we are higher than 11 at this point.

 

[BoroKnight]

Not unreasonable rankings, although Indiana beat a decent Notre Dame on a neutral court and could be getting untracked. But as of right this second, although I do not believe it will end that way, it's pretty fair.