NCAA Votes to Allow Big 12 to Hold a Football Title Game

[Tango Two]

The Big 12 will be allowed to hold a football championship game in the future if it wants to under a rule change approved at the NCAA's annual convention.


http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ncaa-votes-big-12-hold-football-title-game-36275151

 

[jay_hq]

RIP Cinci's hopes and dreams.

RIP Houston's hopes and dreams.

 

[Dpgru]

RIP Cinci's hopes and dreams.

RIP Houston's hopes and dreams.

Agree completely. This may have been done to keep the Big 12 intact and prevent anather round of conference realignment. There is now no reason for the Big 12 to expand (thus RIP Cincy and Houston) and really no reason for anyone to leave. Also, the AAC is probably very relieved that their teams have no where to go and they may have several years of stability.

 

[knightinaz]

Interesting that the AAC & ACC voted against it.

The AAC vote makes sense as they are desperate to keep the league together.

The ACC voting against it is interesting since they have supposedly been "partners" with the B12 through the whole P5 re-org. Not sure what their thought process is other than pouting that they can't randomly pick the participants in their game

 

[Dpgru]

Interesting that the AAC & ACC voted against it.

The AAC vote makes sense as they are desperate to keep the league together.

The ACC voting against it is interesting since they have supposedly been "partners" with the B12 through the whole P5 re-org. Not sure what their thought process is other than pouting that they can't randomly pick the participants in their game

At first glance I would think the AAC benefits so their no vote surprises me but, I might be wrong but I seem to recall that they asked for the right to have a championship game the years they had 11 teams while they waited for Navy to become a football member and they were denied. They might have voted no simply out of spite.

 

[WhiteBus]

R.I.P. College football expansion of any kind for the next 20+ years

 

[bac2therac]

yep screw you UCONN

 

[AreYouNUTS]

thank you, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!

 

[Caliknight]

So glad to not have to care about this sh*t anymore. It's good to be king.

I do find it funny that the acc and aac have some kind of voting alliance.

 

[JoeRU0304]

...what's the point of the NCAA even having any say over football? They seem almost borderline useless and just cater to the same 10-15 schools at every turn.


Joe P.

 

[wheezer]

R.I.P. College football expansion of any kind for the next 20+ years

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egggsactly...... I hope, anyway

 

[RUJohnny99]

Kind of stupid not to make them split into divisions. If multiple teams are 8-1, they can basically decide who they want to play in the game.

 

[j_rc_93]

Is it time to start the great contraction debates now? Several teams are in P5 conferences would never have been invited if championship games had been allowed with fewer than 12 teams. Fewer teams = bigger piece of the pie.

 

[RUforlife]

Is it time to start the great contraction debates now? Several teams are in P5 conferences would never have been invited if championship games had been allowed with fewer than 12 teams. Fewer teams = bigger piece of the pie.

Let's see, we can start with Wake Forest, out; Iowa State; out, Kansas State; out, Purdue; out, Syracuse; out. You could lose those 5 and nobody would notice. They bring nothing to the table TV wise. Wake Forest can go to the AAC, Iowa State and Kansas State can go to Mountain West, Purdue to the MAC, and Syracuse can put their basketball in the BE and the rest can go to the AAC.

 

[topdecktiger]

Kind of stupid not to make them split into divisions. If multiple teams are 8-1, they can basically decide who they want to play in the game.

You could still have several teams tied for a division. It happened in the Big 12 a few years ago.

Is it time to start the great contraction debates now? Several teams are in P5 conferences would never have been invited if championship games had been allowed with fewer than 12 teams. Fewer teams = bigger piece of the pie.

That's why I think Delaney was against deregulation initially. Think about it. Let's say the best 8-9 teams/markets decide to split from Conference _____ and form a new conference. They can still have a CCG, still get a big TV contract, and not have to split the money as many ways.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

RIP Power 5 conference realignment

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

That's why I think Delaney was against deregulation initially. Think about it. Let's say the best 8-9 teams/markets decide to split from Conference _____ and form a new conference. They can still have a CCG, still get a big TV contract, and not have to split the money as many ways.

The reason those contracts are worth so much is due to content. less teams = less content.

 

[krup]

RIP Power 5 conference realignment

You can't say that. Texas is happy because things can basically stay the way they are. Other schools like Oklahoma were hoping the championship game issue would force Texas to accept expansion and open discussions on a conference wide cable network. Those schools are more disgruntled than ever.

 

[MozRU]

I will always root for the underdog to knock out the playoff team hopeful in the B12 Champ game. It will be fun watching them knock each other out of playoffs.

 

[WhiteBus]

I will always root for the underdog to knock out the playoff team hopeful in the B12 Champ game. It will be fun watching them knock each other out of playoffs.

That is true for all conferences. If the underdog beats the big favorite say goodbye to getting one of your teams into the playoff

 

[JGeorge322]

I will always root for the underdog to knock out the playoff team hopeful in the B12 Champ game. It will be fun watching them knock each other out of playoffs.

these are the things you have to take pleasure in when your team has never won a conference championship outright :(

 

[DJ Spanky]

So all along conferences were juggling, adjusting, bringing in new teams, all for nothing.

 

[sherrane]

Interesting that the AAC & ACC voted against it.

The AAC vote makes sense as they are desperate to keep the league together.

The ACC voting against it is interesting since they have supposedly been "partners" with the B12 through the whole P5 re-org. Not sure what their thought process is other than pouting that they can't randomly pick the participants in their game

The ACC voted against it because it was the B1G amendment that passed and not the ACC's proposal that the Big 12 joined. The ACC wanted to allow them to pick and choose teams to play in the championship game, which would allow them to split into 3 divisions and / or have 2 teams from the same division play in the championship game based on their rankings. There was also some speculation they might allow Notre Dame to play in an ACC Championship Game, although I don't know how credible those rumors were.

Why would the AAC vote against in in order to keep their league together? Cincinnati would have been a favorite to bolt to the Big 12 if that conference needed to expand to 12 to hold a championship game. I don't understand why the AAC voted the way they did, unless they are concerned that Navy is going to eventually reconsider leaving their independence. That would leave them as an 11-team conference unless they expand with another hardly desirable C-USA team. The round-robin requirement will make it nearly impossible to hold a championship game as an 11-team conference because it would require 10 conference games every season.

 

[MozRU]

That is true for all conferences. If the underdog beats the big favorite say goodbye to getting one of your teams into the playoff

That's not the point.

There was rule - 12 teams for a Champ game. It was the ONLY reason why the SEC ever expanded way back in the day, then the B1G, then the ACC. The B12 is getting special treatment.

Without rules, their will be chaos.

 

[srru86]

...what's the point of the NCAA even having any say over football? They seem almost borderline useless and just cater to the same 10-15 schools at every turn.

True and it has been that way at least since losing the 1984 court case that ruled NCAA controlling football broadcasts was restraint of trade. The football powers tell the NCAA what to do, not the other way around. The NCAA is a sometimes useful tool for the football schools, not really a governing body.

 

[knightinaz]

The ACC voted against it because it was the B1G amendment that passed and not the ACC's proposal that the Big 12 joined. The ACC wanted to allow them to pick and choose teams to play in the championship game, which would allow them to split into 3 divisions and / or have 2 teams from the same division play in the championship game based on their rankings. There was also some speculation they might allow Notre Dame to play in an ACC Championship Game, although I don't know how credible those rumors were.

Why would the AAC vote against in in order to keep their league together? Cincinnati would have been a favorite to bolt to the Big 12 if that conference needed to expand to 12 to hold a championship game. I don't understand why the AAC voted the way they did, unless they are concerned that Navy is going to eventually reconsider leaving their independence. That would leave them as an 11-team conference unless they expand with another hardly desirable C-USA team. The round-robin requirement will make it nearly impossible to hold a championship game as an 11-team conference because it would require 10 conference games every season.

I'm sure the AAC voted against it because they were certainly going to lose Cincinnati at a minimum if the B12 was forced to expand. Along with losing Cinci they could have lost a 2nd school (Memphis, Houston or 1 of the Fla schools. I never thought UConn was a real option) as well.

They then would have to add 1 or 2 schools to get back to 12 or they could stay at 10, do away with divisions, and have the same CCG option the B12 has. Neither of those options is any good for the conference

 

[Scarlet16E]

So all along conferences were juggling, adjusting, bringing in new teams, all for nothing.

The SEC and B1G both have >12 members, so not really.
It was all about TV sets.

 

[WhiteBus]

That's not the point.

There was rule - 12 teams for a Champ game. It was the ONLY reason why the SEC ever expanded way back in the day, then the B1G, then the ACC. The B12 is getting special treatment.

Without rules, their will be chaos.

Special treatment?? The other conferences agreed to the football playoff with the Big 12 staying at 10. No one can blame the NCAA on this at all. Then 7 out of 9 agreed to the Championship game.

And these conferences expanded as much for TV and they did for a Championship game. Rutgers is proof of that!

 

[Abro1975]

The Big 12 still has no significant TV contract, has left W Va on an island ( awful travel for all sports other than FB), and will lose Oklahoma, maybe W Va within 5 years. The Big 12 will cease to exist within 10 years.

 

[WhiteBus]

The Big 12 still has no significant TV contract, has left W Va on an island ( awful travel for all sports other than FB), and will lose Oklahoma, maybe W Va within 5 years. The Big 12 will cease to exist within 10 years.

Oklahoma and none of those teams are going anywhere for almost 20 years now.

 

[imbazza2]

...what's the point of the NCAA even having any say over football? They seem almost borderline useless and just cater to the same 10-15 schools at every turn.
Joe P.

How can you say that look how they dropped the Hammer on UNC for cheating for 18 years!

 

[RUBigFrank]

As stated above the AAC clearly voted against as a means to preserve their own membership. If I understand the voting process all NCAA division conferences vote - however - the power five have double voting power.

 

[topdecktiger]

The reason those contracts are worth so much is due to content. less teams = less content.

No, it's not just strictly content. If that was the case, then Conference USA could just add more teams and get more money. It also matters who is in your league, and what markets you have. It's not simply how many games/teams.

That said you still miss the point. Let's take the SEC. Let's say the SEC had 10 teams as opposed to 14. Now, I will agree with you that in absolute terms, the 14-team SEC would have a larger contract. However, even though the overall contract with a 10-team SEC would be smaller, it also would have to be split fewer ways. Depending on the configuration, the individual schools could possibly end up with more money, since each school would get a bigger slice of the pie.

 

[rucoe89]

The reason those contracts are worth so much is due to content. less teams = less content.

This and TV footprint. Only reason RU and Maryland went to B1G. They already had 12 and did not need to expand. Also, agree on point regarding rest of Big 12 possibly wanting to expand to get conference wide TV pact may cause more disgruntled schools in it.

 

[krup]

Oklahoma and none of those teams are going anywhere for almost 20 years now.

The B12 grant of rights runs out in 2025.

 

[cicero grimes]

You can't say that. Texas is happy because things can basically stay the way they are. Other schools like Oklahoma were hoping the championship game issue would force Texas to accept expansion and open discussions on a conference wide cable network. Those schools are more disgruntled than ever.

I agree completely and still think expansion may occur especially in the big 12. They need revenue and their tv deal will lag far behind ours without new markets. I still believe they need two more teams such as Cincy and BYU who can bring some viewers to them.

 

[WhiteBus]

I agree completely and still think expansion may occur especially in the big 12. They need revenue and their tv deal will lag far behind ours without new markets. I still believe they need two more teams such as Cincy and BYU who can bring some viewers to them.

Cincy market isn't going to give them big bucks. There is no where to grab and they aren't leaving the Big 12. The economics of both aren't there.

 

[cicero grimes]

Cincy market isn't going to give them big bucks. There is no where to grab and they aren't leaving the Big 12. The economics of both aren't there.

I disagree. They need TV sets for a better contract. They are going to be far behind the B1G and SEC in terms of revenue from a TV deal. lower revenue makes them vulnerable to being poached. If Cincy is not the answer maybe UCF or USF. But in my opinion long term they either grow or die.

 

[WhiteBus]

Non of these markets bring enough eyeballs to the TV sets to warrant adding them and paying them $25+ million

 

[cicero grimes]

Non of these markets bring enough eyeballs to the TV sets to warrant adding them and paying them $25+ million

So how do they survive once their members see how much less their TV contract is worth; perhaps 10 million less per year than the B1G or SEC? Adding the Tampa and Orlando markets would benefit them. Certainly better markets there than any of their teams outside the state of Texas.