NCAA Votes to Allow Big 12 to Hold a Football Title Game

[RU848789]

I'm sure the AAC voted against it because they were certainly going to lose Cincinnati at a minimum if the B12 was forced to expand. Along with losing Cinci they could have lost a 2nd school (Memphis, Houston or 1 of the Fla schools. I never thought UConn was a real option) as well.

They then would have to add 1 or 2 schools to get back to 12 or they could stay at 10, do away with divisions, and have the same CCG option the B12 has. Neither of those options is any good for the conference

Several people have said the AAC voted against allowing the B12 to have a conference championship with 10 teams - how would that "help" the AAC - voting against it would encourage the B12 to find 2 more teams so they could have the 12 teams needed for a championship. Am I missing some piece of info here?

 

[brista21]

Let's see, we can start with Wake Forest, out; Iowa State; out, Kansas State; out, Purdue; out, Syracuse; out. You could lose those 5 and nobody would notice. They bring nothing to the table TV wise. Wake Forest can go to the AAC, Iowa State and Kansas State can go to Mountain West, Purdue to the MAC, and Syracuse can put their basketball in the BE and the rest can go to the AAC.

You know what they say about stones and glass houses right?

 

[WhiteBus]

So how do they survive once their members see how much less their TV contract is worth; perhaps 10 million less per year than the B1G or SEC? Adding the Tampa and Orlando markets would benefit them. Certainly better markets there than any of their teams outside the state of Texas.

They may not survive after the current TV deal. Adding markets isn't the answer now. They still make more than the ACC and adding a Championship game will add $. It not like they are poor. And only the Big Ten is up for a new deal anytime soon

 

[sherrane]

I'm sure the AAC voted against it because they were certainly going to lose Cincinnati at a minimum if the B12 was forced to expand. Along with losing Cinci they could have lost a 2nd school (Memphis, Houston or 1 of the Fla schools. I never thought UConn was a real option) as well.

They then would have to add 1 or 2 schools to get back to 12 or they could stay at 10, do away with divisions, and have the same CCG option the B12 has. Neither of those options is any good for the conference

So why would they have voted AGAINST it? Now the Big 12 doesn't NEED to take Cincinnati + someone else (BYU? Memphis? Houston? Colorado State to get back into the Denver market?) to have a championship game. A vote FOR the proposal would help keep a P5 conference from raiding them, but they voted against it.

 

[C0bra Kai]

What ever happened to that clown Nelson Muntz that used to come around here talking crap about RU and UCONN being pretty much equals...and that neither of us were desirable for conference expansion. UCONN is dead in the water now.

 

[MGSA99]

UConn should just go back to FCS and Big East basketball now. All other G5 schools that aren't making money should just petition to form their own division and hold their own playoff.

 

[LC-88]

AAC is pissed. They are thinking; "If we knew this was coming we would not have added Tulane and Tulsa.

ACC voted how E$PN told them to.

If an eight team conference wants to have a championship game they should be allowed to.

 

[srru86]

What ever happened to that clown Nelson Muntz that used to come around here talking crap about RU and UCONN being pretty much equals...and that neither of us were desirable for conference expansion. UCONN is dead in the water now.

 

[Nosoj]

The B12 grant of rights runs out in 2025.

And it's not very strong to begin with. See here: http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...ge/myth-of-the-big-12s-grant-of-rights-010313 and here: http://sportspolitico.com/2015/02/16/will-grant-of-rights-protect-big12-from-future-raids/

Oklahoma is still not happy, so just because the Big 12 is, in all likelyhood, out of the expansion business for the time being, doesn't mean it's necessarily dead. I don't think we'll see anything in the next few years, but as I've covered plenty on this board, if Oklahoma can maneuver freely (without Ok. State) then they would be a hot commodity.

 

[RU848789]

Ironic that this passed now. If I recall correctly, not allowing conferences with <12 teams is what started the whole ball rolling with the SEC poaching Arkansas and S. Carolina in 1990. This led to the destruction of the old Big 8, when half the teams went to the B12 and the loser half went to the WAC/CUSA. Same thing then happened to the BE in 2005, when the ACC poached Miami, VT, and BC to get to 12, so they could hold a championship game.

Imagine if a 10-team conference could've had a championship game back then. Would the ACC simply have stopped at adding Miami, clearly the marqee football school in the BE and one which delivered the large South Florida market? VT added no real market, but BC did (and Cuse kind of did, which is why they were originally targeted over VT), although BC was nowhere near the "brand" that Miami was. Would the B1G have taken PSU and years later, Nebraska, to get to 12?

If they only took Miami, the BE could have poached Louisville, Cincy and South Florida to get to 10 teams (along with RU, Cuse, BC, VT, Pitt, WV, and UConn) and then jettisoned the hoops teams, leaving a pretty damn good all-sports conference. And if the B1G never took PSU, we could have taken them in and just poached Louisville and Cincy to get to 10 and that would've been an even better, truly northeastern conference (if you count Louisville and Cincy as NE, which is a bit of a stretch, but at least their states are contiguous with the others).

I love the B1G, but I would've always preferred a really strong northeastern conference over anything else - I like the regional rivalries and being able to drive to almost every away game easily. Fun to speculate...

 

[cicero grimes]

Ironic that this passed now. If I recall correctly, not allowing conferences with <12 teams is what started the whole ball rolling with the SEC poaching Arkansas and S. Carolina in 1990. This led to the destruction of the old Big 8, when half the teams went to the B12 and the loser half went to the WAC/CUSA. Same thing then happened to the BE in 2005, when the ACC poached Miami, VT, and BC to get to 12, so they could hold a championship game.

Imagine if a 10-team conference could've had a championship game back then. Would the ACC simply have stopped at adding Miami, clearly the marqee football school in the BE and one which delivered the large South Florida market? VT added no real market, but BC did (and Cuse kind of did, which is why they were originally targeted over VT), although BC was nowhere near the "brand" that Miami was. Would the B1G have taken PSU and years later, Nebraska, to get to 12?

If they only took Miami, the BE could have poached Louisville, Cincy and South Florida to get to 10 teams (along with RU, Cuse, BC, VT, Pitt, WV, and UConn) and then jettisoned the hoops teams, leaving a pretty damn good all-sports conference. And if the B1G never took PSU, we could have taken them in and just poached Louisville and Cincy to get to 10 and that would've been an even better, truly northeastern conference (if you count Louisville and Cincy as NE, which is a bit of a stretch, but at least their states are contiguous with the others).

I love the B1G, but I would've always preferred a really strong northeastern conference over anything else - I like the regional rivalries and being able to drive to almost every away game easily. Fun to speculate...

I also love the B1G but miss the old Big East. Right now its just not the same. In time I guess rivalries will develop.

 

[ScarletDave]

I don't want expansion anyway, would rather play Ohio state and Michigan every year than UNC and Virginia or Ga Tech or whoever the B1G would have added. And UConn has officially lost grasp of the last little string in the rope of hope they never really had anyway, sooooo ..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA