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Well said. And if you notice, many of the folks who have been such vocal critics of masks, vaccines and such are the same people who give me grief regularly on my weather threads, which are filled with caveats and discussion of uncertainties, because in weather, in particular, the uncertainties are much greater than most other sciences, where it's generally much easier to measure cause and effect or at least infer it if well-controlled studies are done.
For example, the COVID vaccine clinical trials had a far, far greater degree of certainty about the outcomes (safety and efficacy) because it's pretty damn easy to measure infection, hospitalization and death vs. getting the vaccine or a placebo. There's never any "control" experiment in meteorology where one can control most or even some of the variables and see the effects in one set of outcomes vs. another, in the real world - the best they can do is the ensemble forecasts of models where they run little "experiments" varying the inputs to see what outcomes the various simulations have - and that's still a highly uncertain outcome no matter what.
On the other hand, it was far, far harder to garner any similar level of confidence in masks vs. vaccines because, by definition, it's unethical to test mask effectiveness in humans by exposing some to the virus and some to a placebo, plus the variables of exposure are much more complex (how much virus was the other person shedding? for how long? how close was the contact? what was the airflow like? how well was the person wearing the mask? and so on) than did someone get the vaccine or the placebo which is fully binary. I get the confusion at times over masks and mask protection data, given those uncertainties and subtleties. I've never understood, though the inability to see the extraordinary safety/efficacy of the vaccines, even if the protection waned, as many thought they would, and boosters are now best (especially with omicron). Far less uncertainty and nuance involved with the vaccines vs. the masks and the effiacy of masks, while having variability and uncertainty is still far more "certain" than any weather forecast.
Fauci's role in the early days of covid was different than it was later.
Because of when more became known about the virus, the new facts made for
a change of tactics.
To many of the anti Fauci crowd refuse to accept when using science as a base for the advice you give, when scientific research finds out more about the subject, the new findings become the bases of advice given and sometimes the advice must change if you want to give the best advice possible.
Fauci only did what any good health official could do, give the best advice using the information available at the time and change that advice if new information made the need to change the advice being given.
That shouldn't be so hard to understand, yet some don't want to admit as new info becomes available the good doctors change their diagnoses to fit the latest info available to them.
They only want to point out :" HE SAID" not considering when he said that it was based on the knowledge of the virus at the time and when more info became available he based his advice on that .
Because of when more became known about the virus, the new facts made for
a change of tactics.
To many of the anti Fauci crowd refuse to accept when using science as a base for the advice you give, when scientific research finds out more about the subject, the new findings become the bases of advice given and sometimes the advice must change if you want to give the best advice possible.
Fauci only did what any good health official could do, give the best advice using the information available at the time and change that advice if new information made the need to change the advice being given.
That shouldn't be so hard to understand, yet some don't want to admit as new info becomes available the good doctors change their diagnoses to fit the latest info available to them.
They only want to point out :" HE SAID" not considering when he said that it was based on the knowledge of the virus at the time and when more info became available he based his advice on that .
Except the issue is mandates..mandating on changing science..
With no end date
Remember even when the cdc said you dont need to wear masks..they suffered a large backlash
You're making way too much sense tonight - great posts. Fortunately, this thread will be deleted soon, so there will be no proof for our friends that I ever complimented you on anything. You might want to take a screen shot, lol.
They said if you get the vaccine you wont get Covid..Biden and Walensky...vaccinated people cant transmit the virus .Fauci may have used different words about stopping
Messaging has been horrific
Messaging has been horrific
How about the radio host today on 101.5 who coaches 8 year old girsl basketball. A girl was crying uncontrollable. When the coach asked whats wrong the girl said I drank from someone elses water bottle and I'm going to get covid, can I go to the bathroom and wash my mouth out? This psychological damage will do more harm than covid to kids.
I constantly see the discussion taking place everywhere all the time.
Maybe you are confusing speaking out against something with shutting something down. The media cannot stop any of us from having whatever discussion we want.
It becomes more debatable when we talk about misinformation. Some folks feel people should be able to post demonstrably false information about COVID (e.g. "masks are useless"). That's far too broad a statement to be accurate. It will be taken by many as gospel when there are countless scenarios in which a good mask is far from 100% ineffective.
Social media companies are requiring people to be more accurate, more precise, and less misleading in their statements, especially those folks with a broad following where misstatements can cause widespread harm. So they'll allow a statement that's appropriately factual and nuanced enough to be accurate (e.g. "some masks are more useful than others") or even (e.g. "cloth masks are too risky, use N95s if you have to wear a mask and want serious protection").
People don't like to embrace the nuanced differences. But the impact on society is huge.
Given that the vaccines never 100% prevented infection with the original strain (95% efficacy at best), why would anyone have ever said that? Wallensky said, "Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data" and then discussed there were only 3 breakthrough cases, so clearly she didn't say what you said above. She probably could have phrased it a bit better, though - she has done that a few times, which I agree has muddled things at times, although "horrific" is a serious overstatement IMO. .
And this was all before we had delta and then discovered that the 2-dose regimen waned in efficacy a bit, which was not completely unexpected, which is why the boosters were ready when this was discovered - booster trials were simply continuations of the ongoing trials and the fact that the booster trials were ongoing before any waning was discoverd is proof that scientists had concerns over waning as has been seen in many other viral diseases and their vaccines - many of which require an eventual booster to complete the immune response.
Good thing Trump wasn't her coach, as he might have given her bleach to gargle with.
Wow, 6 pages and no lock or deletion yet. On the whole, I actually think this has been one of the better discussions on the topic on this board. Maybe they'll let it stay up...
That never happened but continue to hold onto fake news
Embarrassing as you claim you are above it all
Facts matter and you are complete fake news posting disinformation but hardly surprising
Fact-check: Did Trump tell people to drink bleach to kill the coronavirus?
This piece was originally published on PolitiFact.com on June 11, 2020 Joe Biden : On COVID-19, Donald Trump said...
www.google.com
Half of hospitalizations listed as covid are incidencental..remember that when they hype fear
www.bostonglobe.com
Nearly half of COVID-19 hospitalizations in Massachusetts are ‘incidental’ cases, new state data show - The Boston Globe
New state data show 51 percent of COVID hospitalizations in Massachusetts on Tuesday were patients who were seriously ill from the virus, while 49 percent of patients were admitted for other reasons but happened to test positive upon admission.
www.bostonglobe.com
Easy solution. Don't listen to Fauci, or Wen, or anybody else. Just listen to me. I won't steer you wrong. 😀
He did say to inject it. But Numb3ers was making a joke.Facts matter and you are complete fake news posting disinformation but hardly surprising
Fact-check: Did Trump tell people to drink bleach to kill the coronavirus?
This piece was originally published on PolitiFact.com on June 11, 2020 Joe Biden : On COVID-19, Donald Trump said...www.google.com
No he didn't..read exactly what he said
Its the same nonsense your ilk pulled saying he didnt condem white supremacists
Its the same nonsense your ilk pulled saying he didnt condem white supremacists
There are three quarters of a million new cases per day in the US and 2000 deaths a day. There are 20,000 hospitalizations a day. Even if only half of those are directly due to COVID and not coincidental, that's 10,000 new hospitalizations a day due to COVID. What numbers do you need in order to say, "Well, yeah, maybe people ought to get vaccinated and maybe wear a mask in indoor crowded settings."?Half of hospitalizations listed as covid are incidencental..remember that when they hype fear
Nearly half of COVID-19 hospitalizations in Massachusetts are ‘incidental’ cases, new state data show - The Boston Globe
New state data show 51 percent of COVID hospitalizations in Massachusetts on Tuesday were patients who were seriously ill from the virus, while 49 percent of patients were admitted for other reasons but happened to test positive upon admission.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."
Hmm yes, much better.
Late to the party…
It’s not a “vaccine”….stop the BS.
The jab doesn’t prevent getting covid
The jab doesn’t prevent people from spreading covid.
The all in approach to “vaccinating away” covid is a failed approach.
Now knowing the above, how does it make any sense to fathom forcing any vax mandates?
Folks talk about deaths and misinformation??? Why did Fauci and the propaganda machine suppress any discussion of early treatment??? Yes, ivermectin and hydroxy…Tragically thousands of people died unnecessarily because of the guy only pushing experimental vax even before vax was available. What happened to science?
“Trusted” News Initiative spreading misinformation and censoring. What happened to open dialogue and debate?
#s , would like your honest feedback with facts on the Rogan Dr. McCullough and Robert Malone interviews.
Tragedy of how many lives were lost because of the suppression of not allowing doctors to treat early. I would call it criminal.
It’s not a “vaccine”….stop the BS.
The jab doesn’t prevent getting covid
The jab doesn’t prevent people from spreading covid.
The all in approach to “vaccinating away” covid is a failed approach.
Now knowing the above, how does it make any sense to fathom forcing any vax mandates?
Folks talk about deaths and misinformation??? Why did Fauci and the propaganda machine suppress any discussion of early treatment??? Yes, ivermectin and hydroxy…Tragically thousands of people died unnecessarily because of the guy only pushing experimental vax even before vax was available. What happened to science?
“Trusted” News Initiative spreading misinformation and censoring. What happened to open dialogue and debate?
#s , would like your honest feedback with facts on the Rogan Dr. McCullough and Robert Malone interviews.
Tragedy of how many lives were lost because of the suppression of not allowing doctors to treat early. I would call it criminal.
This is only marginally more coherent than the quote I just posted above. What is it about anti-vaxxers and being barely able to write the English language?
If you are vaccinated why would you be hospitalized from Omicron?...ie masks
Flouxy: What exactly do you not understand? Maybe it’s a vaxed brain fog comprehension issue.
Not anti-vaxer, have had plenty of vaxes. To be clear, this is not a vaccine (the definition was changed in the middle of this 2 year brainwashing). People were duped. It was allowed to roll out under emergency authorization, was experimental…no way to know all side effects. Yet, mandates put in place to get jabbed because brainwashing message was only the unvaccinated were going to get and spread covid. Lots of actual misinformation supported by the MSM.
I just had delta. Have immunity, don’t need a jab (science).
Stick to the facts and discuss. Really interested in any feedback (specifics) on the 2 Rogan interviews with McCullough and Malone, and your view on the “Trusted” News Initiative.
Not anti-vaxer, have had plenty of vaxes. To be clear, this is not a vaccine (the definition was changed in the middle of this 2 year brainwashing). People were duped. It was allowed to roll out under emergency authorization, was experimental…no way to know all side effects. Yet, mandates put in place to get jabbed because brainwashing message was only the unvaccinated were going to get and spread covid. Lots of actual misinformation supported by the MSM.
I just had delta. Have immunity, don’t need a jab (science).
Stick to the facts and discuss. Really interested in any feedback (specifics) on the 2 Rogan interviews with McCullough and Malone, and your view on the “Trusted” News Initiative.
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Why you are unable to write more clearly.
Lay off the drugs.
I can't imagine why..
Compelling cause and effect story here.
I dunno, I haven't wasted my time watching that shit.
No clue what this means.
He was asking a question much like he always does throwing things out there. The ultraviolet stuff actually has been studied
He didnt say bleach or lysol and never told people to inject..it was disinformation
Imagine the media and biden making this a talking point during a raging pandemic
Your post doesn't make any sense. I didn't say anything about Omicron. But yes, you can get Omicron even if masked; it's just much less likely, and the risk of being hospitalized if you do get it is much less. These are the facts. We are essentially witnessing a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Here are the numbers for seniors who are fully vaxxed versus not vaxxed: unvaxxed are 50 times more likely to be hospitalized
https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...mes-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-than-those
The Hill, btw, is a slightly right of center outlet.
And here are data from NYC and Seattle on the likelihood of getting it vaxxed or unvaxxed:
A Growing Gap (Published 2022)
We look at Omicron’s toll in New York and Seattle, two cities with timely data.
The data could not be more clear.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside"
Look.. I agree with you that it is not what he actually meant. And I also think that people go/went out of their way to interpret everything he said as uncharitably as possible. That said, you kind of bring that on yourself when you can barely string together an English sentence. That quote, like so many others, is basically gibberish.
You got a link on that "this isn't a vaccine" claim? Vaccines stimulate the body to fight off infection. That is what these vaccines do. Not all vaccines are 100% effective; that's why they do studies to test the efficacy rate.
@fluoxetine seems very bitter that since covid came around, the beginning of his name was never heard of again. Guy is a brainwashed spineless jellyfish.
And it seems that a few Chinese doctors who were discussing it back in February 2020 haven’t been seen since
Why would you argue with someone if you thought they were right? Not the brightest one, are you?
Yup, please get back to your Youtoobz.
Yes... I'm.. bitter.. because people don't talk about the flu? What?
Except that he did. Try this from his press conference:
“A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world,” Trump began, clearly thinking the question himself, “So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that, too. It sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that.”
Also, who the hell are you? You haven't made a substantive post in over a year. Your last four posts, which is the entirety of your posting in the past year, are:
"I have a feeling Kbee looks very similar to that disturbing looking dog in his avi..."
"Pretty sure PlumStreet is just trolling everyone with 99% of his posts. He can’t possibly be as dumb as he portrays himself to be."
"Greene Rice must be so much fun at parties. Imagine being that miserable? 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️"
"@fluoxetine seems very bitter that since covid came around, the beginning of his name was never heard of again. Guy is a brainwashed spineless jellyfish."
What a complete cancer you are.
You come across as a person that has no ability to debate a topic without getting frustrated and shutting down when you realize you are debating someone with superior intellect then your own. You sound like a bumbling fool this entire thread.
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