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Does Laviano really have as weak of an arm as it looked like out there? No zip at all - passes taking forever to arrive..

Heck, he made Chad Pennington look like John Freaking Elway

I just don't ever recall seeing a quarterback with so little zip on his passes.. Have others seen him in practice/in high school?

Was this an aberration or is arm really so weak?
 
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I would say his arm strength is very average. We have a guy with a much better gun calling in signals. He needs to be in the game.

Whatever people were saying about Laviano last week, none of it is true this week. He didn't lose us the game, but he didn't help.
 
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The ONE thing I will never understand(keep in mind I was a Rettig until a week ago) is how a coach can be 100% NOT open to trying a 2nd QB in a game situation once he makes his "pick".

When I played at Cornell we had a QB that was kinda average in practise but in heated game situations became an absolute pitbull under pressure. Of course based on the "you are how you practise" code he never started. The last game of his career he absolutely "lit the stadium up" when he was inserted into a game we had a big lead in. That experience alone taught me you NEVER know how a player reacts until he is in a "life or death" situation.

To a lesser degree, as a coach, I have always wanted to insert my players into REAL game situations and see how they react. I had one 14 year old running back who became hyper aware in a game situation when he was "running for his life".....and though he was a bit of a screwup in practise....he led the league the year I started him

I want to see how Rettig "performs" when he is on "automatic survival control" in a game.....I have a sneaking suspicion he can sling the hell out of the ball in a "pinch".....
 
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I am old school, if I have a qb battle going on and it is close and the week before the first game one of them breaks team rules to the point where i am having him sit out the first half of the first game, the other guy is my qb until he loses the position. Caroo earned the opportunity to make one mistake the other guy didn't. His arm strength looks suspect to me and time will tell, his high and slow throws looked to put the health of some of the Rutgers players in jeopardy tonight, hopefully we are wrong about his arm.
 
He has a noodle arm. Most of his balls are late and float and it does not appear he can throw the ball more than 20 yards in a game situation.
 
LOL. On another message board I go to we call guys noodle arms all the time. Vernon Adams of Oregon is the King of the Noodles after tonight.
 
I just watched the game video on WatchESPN. From my seats low in the corner it can be tough to get much of a scouting report live, but now having watched the broadcast it is apparent that Laviano is a BACKUP QUARTERBACK in the Big Ten. No knock on him, but that is his ceiling. Every single throw has a hump in it. Every one. Remember Mike Piazza trying to throw out baserunners? The spirit is willing but the arm is weak. Laviano is Dodd without the deep ball.
 
Not to continue the flaming on Laviano because efficiency wise he played well. But his arm is just not up to B1G standards , perfect example was when he tried to throw it out of the end zone , maybe 25-30 yd throw and couldn't get it out of play.
 
Secondly Laviano is a game manager , not a game breaker. Rettig on the other hand appears to have playmaking/breaking ability and should have received a few series today,
 
Laviano reminds me alot of Ryan Hart. That won't be good enough to score consistently on BIG defenses.

GO RU
 
Laviano completed 75% of his passes so you have to question his arm strength. Absurd comments like he can't throw more than 20yds are so ignorant. People have agendas so they can't look at the game objectively they come up with some ignorant comments.

If you want to blame this loss on anyone blame the DL which did nothing the entire game.
 
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RealityChech2 said:
Laviano completed 75% of his passes so you have to question his arm strength. Absurd comments like he can't throw more than 20yds are so ignorant. People have agendas so they can't look at the game objectively they come up with some ignorant comments.

If you want to blame this loss on anyone blame the DL which did nothing the entire game.
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Slight correction. He completed 79% of his passes.

I don't like criticizing individual player performances. But that one he floated out to James should have been thrown harder, and he had a couple of other floaters, namely the INT and the near INT in the end zone. He has to learn to throw it away and not try to make a play off his back foot.
 
That is true also.. There was a lot of that back foot throwing that Nova used to do..

I guess my original question was more along the lines of does he have zip on his passes when people have seen him in other situations? It just seemed like the passes were taking forever to get where they needed to be..floaters so to speak
 
Laviano throws off his back foot a lot....certainly looked like he was lacking zip on the ball.
 
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Laviano throws off his back foot a lot....certainly looked like he was lacking zip on the ball.
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In the Norfolk game he under threw Leonte for that reason.Correcting those bad mechanics could add more zip to his throws.If so then he should be fine.
 
mikefla said:
The ONE thing I will never understand(keep in mind I was a Rettig until a week ago) is how a coach can be 100% NOT open to trying a 2nd QB in a game situation once he makes his "pick".

When I played at Cornell we had a QB that was kinda average in practise but in heated game situations became an absolute pitbull under pressure. Of course based on the "you are how you practise" code he never started. The last game of his career he absolutely "lit the stadium up" when he was inserted into a game we had a big lead in. That experience alone taught me you NEVER know how a player reacts until he is in a "life or death" situation.

To a lesser degree, as a coach, I have always wanted to insert my players into REAL game situations and see how they react. I had one 14 year old running back who became hyper aware in a game situation when he was "running for his life".....and though he was a bit of a screwup in practise....he led the league the year I started him

I want to see how Rettig "performs" when he is on "automatic survival control" in a game.....I have a sneaking suspicion he can sling the hell out of the ball in a "pinch".....
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I never played organized football (was in band, ran XC in HS), but my mom always told me that I would have made a really good football player because of how fast I would run when guys on the other team were chasing me.
 
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I realize this might have no bearing on how it translates to in-game action but I noticed the lack of 'zip' on his passes when he was warming up on the sidelines. Other QBs throwing back to him had more zing.
 
This is ridiculous. He has an above average arm. He made some strong throws on out patterns. You are trying too hard to start controversy.

Just because the coach didn't call for any passes over 20 yards doesn't mean he can't do it.
 
Bleed_Scarlet said:
I guess my original question was more along the lines of does he have zip on his passes when people have seen him in other situations? It just seemed like the passes were taking forever to get where they needed to be..floaters so to speak
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Laviano has short arms. From my observation, Qb's with short arms:

1. Tend to lack consistency in the velocity department

2. Tend to rely on a special "move" to try and ramp up their throws because their own forward arm motion won't create enough leverage on the ball. I noticed it in the spring game and onward. He kinda has an exaggerated windup ritual goin on whenever he needs to put mustard on it. Well, when windows are changing fast, d-linemen approaching, or you need to throw on the move, you cant perform your whole power windup technique, hence the looping soft throws in real D1 games.

This is why I think height is the most misunderstood and overrated quality when it comes to QB's. All the "little" guys in the NFL like Drew Brees and Russel Wilson may not be towering figures. But guess what? They all either have very long arms OR huge hands for their size to really fling that thing. Chas Dodd was 6 ft tall on a full moon but he had a beautiful deep ball. Why? He had a tremendous wingspan for his size and had mitts for hands. Not an exact science of course, just a trend.

Arm talent cannot be taught. It is what it is with him at this point. CL's cieling is a smart, capable game manager. He's never going to seriously threaten secondaries with his arm it seems.
 
RealityChech2 said:
Laviano completed 75% of his passes so you have to question his arm strength. Absurd comments like he can't throw more than 20yds are so ignorant. People have agendas so they can't look at the game objectively they come up with some ignorant comments.

If you want to blame this loss on anyone blame the DL which did nothing the entire game.
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Do you watch the warm ups? I make that a point to get to the games and watch the warm ups. I like seeing the new players as well as gives me a greater prespective of the strengths and weaknesses of the team. Laviano has a much weaker arm then the other 3 qbs that warmed up yesterday. The ball does not get to the receiver with the same pace nor at the same trajectory as the others. Rettig can throw a rope 50 yards. Laviano has too put all he has into it to reach that distance. Dares arm is for real as well.
 
If Laviano's arm really is that weak, you have to wonder how he was rated as high as he was coming out of high school. That's a real head scratcher for me. Makes me think he might be injured or something.
 
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