Taken from a new thread started on tMB. Gotta admit, that is frickin brilliant.
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I didn't come up with it, it was so brilliant that I had to bring it here.
Funny, I just realized what you're talking about, and it didn't even register because I'd seen it before. Plus tMB can be a cesspool so stuff like that doesn't stand out. But the thread title?--foo king brilliant!
It puts things in perspective. Urban Meyer is undoubtedly a great coach--and yet it took him 3 quarters to tell his OC to start airing it out and try SOMETHING to score some points, and at that point the game was pretty much out of reach. Is it stubbornness? I don't know but when Rutgers fans complain about our coaches doing the same thing over and over again they should keep this in mind. It is perhaps the price you pay when you have otherwise successful coaches. They take a long time to second guess themselves.
You are incorrect when you say it took 3 quarters for Meyer to tell his coaches to start airing it out. Ohio St. tried to go deep earlier in the game. Problem was, Clemson was getting in the backfield and disrupting the plays before they could develop.
brg -- You are not allowed to point out the obvious here -- that Meyer got outcoached up and down the field and had the lamest offensive strategy imaginable.
Now it's just pretty obvious you don't know anything about football. Ohio St tried to get the ball downfield numerous times. The plays just got blown up because Clemson was getting pressure with their front four, and could play coverage much of the time.
Juvenile insults aside, let me take a different tack here. This is the second time in three years that Swinney has taken an underdog team and beaten Meyer. And this time he beat the spread by about 34 points. My argument is simple. It wasn't because Clemson had overwhelmingly better talent. They won overwhelmingly; they outplayed OSU overwhelmingly; but any objective analysis of the quality of the players on the two teams says that they are roughly equal. They won because they made use of their advantages and covered their weaknesses. That is coaching. Read the analyses of the three guys I cited in the other thread. They are all about creativity, innovation, and quality coaching. Swinney took advantage of his strengths. He put his guys in a position to win.
Here is another analysis that points to coaching from Austin Ward of ESPN: "Clemson seemed to have no issues figuring out the tendencies and playcalling of the Buckeyes, and it wasn’t the first time this season that a talented defense disrupted the attack. Just like the last time Clemson knocked off Ohio State in the postseason (at the Orange Bowl after the 2013 season), Meyer might consider a shakeup in the coaching staff and playbook, which he did on the defensive side of the ball three years ago."
sillet and brg ar wrong, did you see how meyer made adjustments to the rush?
where was Ohio St's D in this game????????
where was Ohio St's D in this game????????
Ohio State made SOME attempts to throw downfield earlier in the game but one toss here and there is not what they were trying by the end of the 3rd quarter. In any event, there's a factor here everyone is ignoring: the players. Maybe it wasn't just coaching or the talent of the players. Maybe Clemson's players won because they were more motivated, more experienced or had something else ohio state's didn't. They aren't robots that coaches just plug in.
Waaaaaaayyy down the list. That's one of the reasons I don't talk trash. But even when we do become good, whenever that is, I'll just enjoy the ride without being obnoxious. Although I must say, it is pretty funny seeing other fanbases tear into each other. tOSU is taking such a beating on social media, and like our beatdown from Meat Chicken this year, they just have to take it. But their beatdown was worse because it was so unexpected. I mean, they were ranked 3rd.
Nobody is saying Clemson had "overwhelmingly better talent." Nobody is saying that. However, it's clearly, painfully clear, that Clemson is better on the defensive line. Well, the problem is, defensive line is a HUGELY important advantage. It's not the same as being better in the secondary, or better at receiver, or special teams, etc. If you are better on the defensive line, you can simply blow up plays before they ever get started. You keep trashing Meyer, but there is simply nothing you can do if the defense is getting into your backfield on every play. You can't throw anything downfield if you can't protect your quarterback.
This could be the nature of the problem. Yes, people are making that argument, just not you. And that's been my only point here. Coaching was the difference. With two teams both of whom have good quality players, matchups, which is, I think, your basic point, will play into the outcome, but it won't make it 31-0 -- unless one coach really takes advantage of that and the other one doesn't make adjustments for it.
But teams do win even though they face tough defensive lines. It's not a death knell. Lots of teams scored lots of points on Clemson this year with that defensive line. And they did it without All American offensive linemen like OSU has. They did it with inferior offensive lines. And as I pointed out in the other thread, OSU's offensive line is only fractionally less heavy than Pitt's, 1540 pounds to 1570. That wasn't the difference. The difference was that Meyer didn't do anything about it. Other teams who played Clemson did.
Ohio media is calling for a clean sweep of the offensive side of the OSU coaching staff. They are also pointing out that with the loss of Ash, the D isn't as good as it was. Who the hell is the DC for them, anyway? The reason they are doing this is because they know they have incredibly good football players who aren't living up to their potential.
Now, since you seem as tenacious about an argument as I do, and as I have PhD theses to edit (why do they all hand stuff in over the holidays?), I will stipulate that you have brilliant comebacks to everything that I just said, and that it isn't necessary for you to post them. Congratulations on one the best displays of football by an underdog I have ever seen. It has turned my mind on Swinney and Clemson. They are now my favorite team in the ACC (shifting from Va Tech) and I hope you pound Bama.
Agree. OSU's OL got abused by Clemson's DL. That was obvious from the beginning of the game.
OSU's offense looked like RU's offense vs B1G teams. No adjustments, no OL blocking. It was over early. OSU was lucky they didn't lose by 50.
Ohio State has something like 44 freshmen on its roster and has a consensus top-3 recruiting class coming in, so the future looks decent for the Buckeyes. I think they gave up something like 19 sacks their last three B1G games, so it's no surprise Clemson was able to pressure them. I was surprised they couldn't score at all and by the margin of victory. Props to Clemson. OSU easily could have lost to Wisconsin and Michigan this season, and Northwestern actually hung with them well into the fourth quarter. Indiana gave them a pretty good game as well. They are basically a year or two away from being at their best and have been overrated all year.
The OSU offense had 3 first downs in the 1st half. Not only did CU have more plays they also enjoyed very good field position. Any defense would look bad against such a good offense with Watson, one of the best athletes in the college game.
OSU had a total of 9 First Downs for the entire game while CU had 24. Time of Possession OSU 23 to 37 for CU. OSU also gifted 4 Turnovers to make it real easy for CU.
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Perhaps you were talking about the entire season. Even after the mess that was the Fiesta Bowl OSU was ranked # 5 in the nation in total defense. He also did a greeatr job as DC at Miami back in the day. Or perhaps you were talking about GS when he was a volunteer coach for his son's Prep School team.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22
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tOSU's fanbase has a chant in which they pronounce each letter in "Ohio,' sort of like the "YMCA" song but with a totally different rhythm. They did it in our stadium when we played them, and it was of course annoying for us that we heard it so often in our own building. So the chant and signs they make are all caps, and is O-H-I-O. Someone switched it up after they lost to Clemson 31-0, and made it O-H-31-O. Brilliant.
The O-H-I-O Chant video:
http://search.aol.com/aol/video?q=o...CFBA585F039CE16B9A1BCFBA&v_t=keyword_rollover
http://search.aol.com/aol/video?q=o...CFBA585F039CE16B9A1BCFBA&v_t=keyword_rollover
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