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AreYouNUTS said:
First, nowhere did I say "the vast majority." I said "most" and later admitted I should have said "those of us being realistic." Second, I'm not starting a stupid poll, but if you think MOST here thought we'd be less than 10-point underdog, you're crazy. Think about this:

- we stunk last year
- they're a Top 25 team
- they're a 4 or 5 point HFA team
- it's the opener, on the west coast, on the road
- we lost the one of the best offensive weapons in the program's history
- we lost all 3 starting LB's and, along with them, virtually all experience in that group
- they have Chris Peterson coaching
- we are installing a new O and don't have a proper QB to run it

....so anybody (let along "90%") thinking "under 10 points" is wearing the rosiest scarlet-colored glasses ever lol! All good though, it is what it is, let's go out there and shock the world!
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Washington is NOT a top 25 team. Where did you get that from? They finished 4-5 in a weaker conference than the Big Ten, and only 6-6 regular season.

We were only 17 point dogs against Michigan State last year when they were #6 in the country, and you think we should be the same if not more against a team inferior to them?

Get real. They have no business being more than a 10 point favorite against us, and being 20.5 points is ridiculous, and that number will come down in a real hurry as people jump on that bet.

Just look at the people posting here. They're incredulous that the number is so high.

You said that "MOST" thought it would be 17 points or so, and that was wrong. At least you corrected yourself, because "MOST" certainly would not agree with you...and that is the point I'm making.

"Most" think it it will be around 10 points when it's said and done, and I will remind you of that when it happens.
 
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BuggsyRU said:
Washington is NOT a top 25 team. Where did you get that from? They finished 4-5 in a weaker conference than the Big Ten, and only 6-6 regular season.

Washington finished #25 in Sagarin for 2015 and are 21st in The Sporting News pre-season top 25.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

We were only 17 point dogs against Michigan State last year when they were #6 in the country, and you think we should be the same if not more against a team inferior to them?

Do I really need to get into all the reason why comparing the 2 lines is absurd? Don't look at this game as a Rutgers fan. Look at is as a neutral observer setting a gambling line.

Get real. They have no business being more than a 10 point favorite against us, and being 20.5 points is ridiculous, and that number will come down in a real hurry as people jump on that bet.

They have every right being more than a 10-point favorite. 4-5 points for their HFA alone. What on Earth do we have that makes you think they're only 6-7 points better than us as of today? I really hope you don't gamble.

Just look at the people posting here. They're incredulous that the number is so high.

You said that "MOST" thought it would be 17 points or so, and that was wrong. At least you corrected yourself, because "MOST" certainly would not agree with you...and that is the point I'm making.

"Most" think it it will be around 10 points when it's said and done, and I will remind you of that when it happens

Think what you'd like Buggsy I'm not arguing with you about this. My guess is "most" expected it to be 14-17 points.

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BuggsyRU said:
Just look at the people posting here. They're incredulous that the number is so high.

You said that "MOST" thought it would be 17 points or so, and that was wrong. At least you corrected yourself, because "MOST" certainly would not agree with you...and that is the point I'm making.

"Most" think it it will be around 10 points when it's said and done, and I will remind you of that when it happens.
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I'm not sure if a Rutgers Football message board is the best place to judge public sentiment for this spread. I also doubt using our outlier against Michigan State is the best evidence to support our ability to keep games close. You sound like a classic "bet with your heart" kind of guy.
 

Sagarin rankings are not Top 25 rankings, the AP and coaches poll are.

Sagarin has proven time and time again to be complete useless. You know that.

even with a home field advantage, they shall be no more than 13 points. Not 17, and certainly NOT 20.5

What do we have that makes me think they are only 6-7 points better than us?

First off, we'll have a much improved and experiences D line with Hamilton back, much added size and depth....and a new scheme for our corners that doesn't give up 10 yards per play.

We have a great stable of running backs that have proven themselves against top 10 teams in the last two years, and a solid with potential to be a very good offensive line.

We have a QB that is now playing in a system that plays to his strengths, rather than his weakness, and he now has a year of experience under his belt.

We have an offensive scheme that can exploit our best weapon, Grant, unlike last year where he was mostly invisible.

That's what we have...and that's why this ridiculous line is going to come WAY down.

If you don't see that, I can't help you.
 
Arizona Knight said:
I'm not sure if a Rutgers Football message board is the best place to judge public sentiment for this spread. I also doubt using our outlier against Michigan State is the best evidence to support our ability to keep games close. You sound like a classic "bet with your heart" kind of guy.
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When this line comes down, and it will, I will accept your apology.
 
BuggsyRU said:
Just look at the people posting here. They're incredulous that the number is so high.
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If you and others are so upset about the line, you shouldn't be. You should be licking your chops and plunking down some serious $$ on RU now before the line comes down.

Me? I haven't the foggiest idea how we're going to perform with new coaches, a new offense and a new defense on the West Coast against an improving UW team so it would be tough to bet.
 
BuggsyRU said:
Sagarin rankings are not Top 25 rankings, the AP and coaches poll are.

Sagarin has proven time and time again to be complete useless. You know that.

even with a home field advantage, they shall be no more than 13 points. Not 17, and certainly NOT 20.5

What do we have that makes me think they are only 6-7 points better than us?

First off, we'll have a much improved and experiences D line with Hamilton back, much added size and depth....and a new scheme for our corners that doesn't give up 10 yards per play.

We have a great stable of running backs that have proven themselves against top 10 teams in the last two years, and a solid with potential to be a very good offensive line.

We have a QB that is now playing in a system that plays to his strengths, rather than his weakness, and he now has a year of experience under his belt.

We have an offensive scheme that can exploit our best weapon, Grant, unlike last year where he was mostly invisible.

That's what we have...and that's why this ridiculous line is going to come WAY down.

If you don't see that, I can't help you.
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lol okay I'm not even gonna bother responding to this post apart it's too easy. Enjoy your Saturday Buggsy. [cheers]
 
zoby said:
+20.5? I got $100.00 on that. We have a coaching staff now.
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According to Nuts you will lose this bet.
I ,like you, know otherwise and plan to bet and win on RU on this one !
 
BuggsyRU said:
Sagarin rankings are not Top 25 rankings, the AP and coaches poll are.

Sagarin has proven time and time again to be complete useless. You know that.

even with a home field advantage, they shall be no more than 13 points. Not 17, and certainly NOT 20.5

What do we have that makes me think they are only 6-7 points better than us?

First off, we'll have a much improved and experiences D line with Hamilton back, much added size and depth....and a new scheme for our corners that doesn't give up 10 yards per play.

We have a great stable of running backs that have proven themselves against top 10 teams in the last two years, and a solid with potential to be a very good offensive line.

We have a QB that is now playing in a system that plays to his strengths, rather than his weakness, and he now has a year of experience under his belt.

We have an offensive scheme that can exploit our best weapon, Grant, unlike last year where he was mostly invisible.

That's what we have...and that's why this ridiculous line is going to come WAY down.

If you don't see that, I can't help you.
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Throw a "Big Ron Green" in here and this would read like a classic Rutgers Al post.
 
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AreYouNUTS said:
First, nowhere did I say "the vast majority." I said "most" and later admitted I should have said "those of us being realistic." Second, I'm not starting a stupid poll, but if you think MOST here thought we'd be less than 10-point underdog, you're crazy. Think about this:

- we stunk last year
- they're a Top 25 team
- they're a 4 or 5 point HFA team
- it's the opener, on the west coast, on the road
- we lost the one of the best offensive weapons in the program's history
- we lost all 3 starting LB's and, along with them, virtually all experience in that group
- they have Chris Peterson coaching
- we are installing a new O and don't have a proper QB to run it

....so anybody (let along "90%") thinking "under 10 points" is wearing the rosiest scarlet-colored glasses ever lol! All good though, it is what it is, let's go out there and shock the world!
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Top 25 Preseason Polls are bogus ......anyone knows that. Look at last year's debacle with all the "ranked" PAC 12 teams and how they disappeared during the season. And Washington was 7-6 last year....not good in a down Conference ....PLUS they lost their top 2 WRs and leading defensive players to graduation. Give us some credit.....
20 points ...yeah right.
 
2015 Pre-season poll

#6 Auburn, end of season unranked
#8 USC, end of season unranked
#9 Georgia, end of season unranked
#13 UCLA, end of season unranked
#15 Arizona State, end of season unranked
#16 Georgia Tech, [roll]
#18 Arkanas, Unranked
#22 Arizona, Unranked
#23 Boise State, unranked
#24 Missouri, unranked

That's 10 teams that were pre-season ranked, that wound up unranked. That is HALF of the top 25.

And Half of those teams were PAC-12 teams.





















fuzzy math . . . . . .but it fits my narrative
 
I've been to Husky Stadium twice to see them play UCLA. It is a very impressive, intimidating atmosphere. I also went to the Big House last year and saw Flood blink in the headlights early in the game and never recover. I'll be interested to see how/if Ash can prepare his team for road adversity. Of course I want to see a victory, but I also want to see how Rutgers' coaches handle their players emotionally as well as strategically.
 
The reason why 20 is to high is, simply, we now have a coach who knows how to play/coach defense and an OC who knows how to make points on offense. I think Grant will get the ball a few different ways and when the other team adjust to it we run the shit right out of the other team. I think we get a win outright. Our players are no slouches.
 
It's like I'm in some dream world where are recruiting hasn't been sub-par the last 3 years, we've got all-conference guys up-and-down the 1st team on both sides of the ball, quality depth on the 2nd team, 3 starting LB's returning, a Top 70 D from 2015 that's gonna be Top 30 in 2016 due to the new HC, a QB who can run our offense, and didn't lose LC to graduation. Please DON'T pinch me, DON'T wake me, I beg you guys, this is GREAT!!!

I love this board!
[cheers]
 
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Knight Shift said:
2015 Pre-season poll

#6 Auburn, end of season unranked
#8 USC, end of season unranked
#9 Georgia, end of season unranked
#13 UCLA, end of season unranked
#15 Arizona State, end of season unranked
#16 Georgia Tech, [roll]
#18 Arkanas, Unranked
#22 Arizona, Unranked
#23 Boise State, unranked
#24 Missouri, unranked

That's 10 teams that were pre-season ranked, that wound up unranked. That is HALF of the top 25.

And Half of those teams were PAC-12 teams.

Like I said , the Preseason Polls are totally bogus. Like their PAC 12 mates UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St. last year, Washington will not be a top 25 team at season's end.
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BuggsyRU said:
Can you tell me what art you disagree with?
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To go line by line would require me bad mouthing the abilities of this team which I'm not going to do. This team has many ?'s which you may feel you have the answer to but you have to keep in mind when a spread is created it's created for the masses. Maybe the Rutgersfan.com line is only +7 but the national line is pretty accurate at +20.
 
Arizona Knight said:
To go line by line would require me bad mouthing the abilities of this team which I'm not going to do. This team has many ?'s which you may feel you have the answer to but you have to keep in mind when a spread is created it's created for the masses. Maybe the Rutgersfan.com line is only +7 but the national line is pretty accurate at +20.
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Yeah, others have that covered anyone, and seem to like to harp on it.
 
TMCB said:
We beat them once and should have beat them last yr. Rutgers is more than capable of beating them. The line is silly and based on new coach and qb issues
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Another well informed fan chiming in:chairshot:
 
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It's up to Peterson.He can name the score. If he wants to make a statement for his team ( or conference- it is PAC 12 v B1G), he may have an interest in running up the score or not.
 
RU#1fan said:
:chairshot:What a bunch of BS.
I will take that money all day long.
For crying out loud.... 20.5 pts. . .? Washington was 4-5 in the PAC last year and had to beat a mediocre Southern Miss team in a bowl to finish 7-6.

Take this Action !!!!
Totally dissing us.
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I disagree. I think the Huskies will be very good. FWIW, our common opponent last year was WSU. We lost to them at home and UW beat them by 35 points at home to end the season. That should give you some pause.
 
RU-ROCS said:
I disagree. I think the Huskies will be very good. FWIW, our common opponent last year was WSU. We lost to them at home and UW beat them by 35 points at home to end the season. That should give you some pause.
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No it should not. The transitive theory fails more often than it wins.
WSU's starting QB Luke Falk was out for the game and WSU started a freshman QB.
 
Knight Shift said:
No it should not. The transitive theory fails more often than it wins.
WSU's starting QB Luke Falk was out for the game and WSU started a freshman QB.
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This. QB Falk was out .
RU should have beaten WSU easily but our rookieSecondary ( thrown into the fire unexpectedly ) was not ready.

WSU will roll Washington this year in Pullman.
UW is another overrated PAC 12 Pre Season team.
 
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Arizona Knight said:
To go line by line would require me bad mouthing the abilities of this team which I'm not going to do. This team has many ?'s which you may feel you have the answer to but you have to keep in mind when a spread is created it's created for the masses. Maybe the Rutgersfan.com line is only +7 but the national line is pretty accurate at +20.
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No it's not accurate at 20+. It will come down.
 
Nuts is right but I do think it comes down....I see it more like 15-17 come tipoff...this board is always ridiculous in its defensive homerism..the team was awful last year....yes a new coach is here but until its proven on the field RU wont get any nor should they get any respect nationally
 
AreYouNUTS said:
It's like I'm in some dream world where are recruiting hasn't been sub-par the last 3 years, we've got all-conference guys up-and-down the 1st team on both sides of the ball, quality depth on the 2nd team, 3 starting LB's returning, a Top 70 D from 2015 that's gonna be Top 30 in 2016 due to the new HC, a QB who can run our offense, and didn't lose LC to graduation. Please DON'T pinch me, DON'T wake me, I beg you guys, this is GREAT!!!

I love this board!
[cheers]
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it was the same board that ignored all this before and tried propping up Flood and last season as going 8-4...so dont be surprised by these people.
 
RU#1fan said:
According to Nuts you will lose this bet.
I ,like you, know otherwise and plan to bet and win on RU on this one !
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When I was a betting man we would cleanup the 1st few weeks of the college season, then give most back by the end of season. Always a few lines early that were way off and didn't make sense. 20.5 is a lot to give a team returning a lot of experience. Even if that experience sucked last year, losing two close games and just out of reach of a bowl(not as meaningful now as back then). At 20.5 I,m jumping all over this one now, before if it comes down to 15. It almost seems they want people betting RU now, remember Vegas makes their money off the vig they want even money.
 
Actually, I don't think the line will come down. The betting public only sees Washington, a name program, at home, coming off a bowl win against a no-name Rutgers program, coming off a 4 win season, travelling across country, with a new head coach, coaching his first game. I think the line goes up as the public money comes in on Washington. I'd guess 21 or 21.5.
 
We'll cover but I've had this one pegged as a loss for a while. I Thought the line would be around 15 no 20.5
 
The spread is about right. New coach, new faces on O-line, new schemes and whoever starts at QB has no exp. running this offense. I think we get beat here pretty badly. However, it will be interesting to see how much we improve over the course of the year and what the spread for next year's game here is. I am guessing that spread will be a lot closer as the team improves over the course of the year.
 
Whether we agree, disagree, berate, laugh at, disparage or ignore Buggsy, as Rutgers fans let's all hope he's right!
 
cicero grimes said:
The spread is about right. New coach, new faces on O-line, new schemes and whoever starts at QB has no exp. running this offense. I think we get beat here pretty badly. However, it will be interesting to see how much we improve over the course of the year and what the spread for next year's game here is. I am guessing that spread will be a lot closer as the team improves over the course of the year.
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new faces on the O- Line ......which team ? RU has 4 starters returning on the OL.
Oh, and UW lost their top 2 WRs and 2 starting LBs .... who were leaders on Defense,
 
It's very easy to tell who bets sports in this thread and who doesn't. A heavy dose of reality may be in order - this is not 2012 - the new coach did not walk into a great situation. Regardless of all that, this line is no surprise.
 
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