Well he did have 2 hits and a rbi and hit another ball hard just right on a line to Betts.
OT: 2024 NY Mets Season Thread
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Everyone I saw quoted in the locker room stated that they would like to come back. Winker, JD, Iglesias, Pete, Manea, Severino. Of course everyone can't come back or would be wanted back. There will be a lot of new faces. Especially pitchers.
on to the off season. A lot of decisions to be made.
1st base?
2nd base?
3rd base (depending where Vientos winds up playing)?
Center field?
Right field?
Starting pitchers?
Bullpen?
Bench Pieces?
How do the young kids in the minors factor in? Promotions? Used in trades?
1st base?
2nd base?
3rd base (depending where Vientos winds up playing)?
Center field?
Right field?
Starting pitchers?
Bullpen?
Bench Pieces?
How do the young kids in the minors factor in? Promotions? Used in trades?
Varsity? You've been the band leader of trashing your own team over in that other thread most of the season, too funny.
Hey look, the d-bags are back, lol. No balls just in case the Mets got there. Lets see if the next 10 days continue "The Wait For 28"
Going to pin this one. Of the 4 teams that remained, the 2 best teams already played. The Yankees essentially got a bye to the Fall Classic as Houston and Baltimore were taken out for them. Let's see if the Yankees can go 6 games with the Dodgers.
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Notice after the Mets kicked their ass this season he didn't say a word until the possibility of facing us ended? Typical move from the kid we'd stuff in the hall lockers in HS, lmfao.
It was a great ride… Better than expected.
2025 should be better…
LGM!!!
Mendoza should be Manager of the Year.
NO ONE expected the Mets to be in the LCS.
2025 should be better…
LGM!!!
Mendoza should be Manager of the Year.
NO ONE expected the Mets to be in the LCS.
Jeezus Christ, Agreed. It was too quiet without the scumbags here that even I wasn’t my usual self this year.
Love to see us eat some of his contract and send him packing.
Between this and forcing Senga down our throats twice, they should’ve left everything alone.
Postseason is irrelevant to this award, and all others. Based solely on regular season. My guess is that Pat Murphy wins.
My annual postseason roster assessment is coming shortly!
JD absolutely carried the Mets for about a week mid-sumner and he was nearly useless
most of the other time. He and McNeil need to go.
Yeah I'm anxious to see how guys like Baty, Mauricio, Gilbert, Sprout might factor in.
Classic? That would surprise me, but again we shall see. I may be at game 2.
Managing is kind of irrelevant to it too, but that never stopped anybody from picking their favorite.
The run was fun, but now it’s done. Time to look ahead. To get us started, I offer my annual end-of-season roster analysis. It assesses the 40 players on the 40 man roster, plus the 6 on the 60 day IL. Here goes:
Francisco Lindor
Starling Marte
Jeff McNeil
Brandon Nimmo
Kodai Senga
COMMENT: Much has been written about how much money is coming off the books. That is true, however, there’s still a shit-ton tied up in the six players named above. $127.6M to be exact. That’s more than the 2024 payrolls of 11 whole teams.
These six guys will almost certainly be a key component of the 2025 squad. Their contracts make them untradable unless Uncle Steve picks up a big chunk of the tab. The only two trade possibilities IMO are McNeil and Marte, in that order. Barring a trade, I can see McNeil being relegated to the Kelly Johnson role.
Note that technically, Sean Manaea is also under contract for 2025. However, he has an opt-out which he will surely exercise
2. CLUB OPTION (1 player); Phil Maton
COMMENT: Mets hold a $7.5M option on Maton. I think they have until 5 days after the end of the WS to exercise or decline it. The buyout is only $250K, so sunk cost is not an issue. My guess is that they will exercise it, but who knows.
3. ARBITRATION ELIGIBLE (8 players):
Paul Blackburn
Tylor Megill
David Peterson
Sean Reid-Foley
DJ Stewart
Tyrone Taylor
Luis Torrens
Alex Young
COMMENT: A historically strong organization would have a bunch of in-prime key guys in this group. The Mets are still building, and so this group is pretty barren. Peterson definitely gets tendered. Megill, Taylor, and Torrens probably do. Blackburn and Reid-Foley are maybes depending on health.
4. PRE-ARBITRATION (17 players)
Luisangel Acuna
Francisco Alvarez
Jose Azocar
Brett Baty
Huascar Brazoban
Jose Butto
Matt Gage
Reid Garrett
Grant Hartwig
Ronny Mauricio
Dedniel Nunez
Eric Orze
Alex Ramirez
Christian Scott
Mark VIentos
Danny Young
Tyler Zuber
COMMENT: Mixed bag. A couple of studs, a few prospects, a few role players, a few maybes, and a few DFA candidates. Note that the Mets best prospects (Sproat, Williams, Gilbert, Clifford, etc.) do not appear on this list as they do not yet have to be protected on the 40 man.
The overall meh-ness of this group reflects the meh-ness of the organization prior to the arrival of Stearns.
5. FREE AGENTS (14 players)
Pete Alonso
Harrison Bader
Jose Iglesias
Max Kranick
Joey Lucchesi
Sean Manaea
JD Martinez
Adam Ottavino
Jose Quintana
Brooks Raley
Luis Severino
Drew Smith
Ryne Stanek
Jesse Winker
COMMENT: Here is where it gets interesting. The big name of course is the name at the top of the list - Alonso. My guess is that the Mets have their sights set elsewhere and he walks. But who knows, Cohen may value his starpower.
Next we consider the three starting pitchers. I doubt that Stearns values any of them as highly as “his guy” - Corbin Burnes. We shall see.
Bader? Nah. Martinez? Nah. Ottavino? Nah. Winker? Maybe. Stanek? Hell yeah.
Smith and Raley both picked the wrong year to require TJS. Neither will be available until the latter portion of next year at the earliest. I suspect we have seen the last of them in orange and blue.
OMG, I forgot somebody! We thank Iglesias both for his play on the field, and his intangibles. My guess is that he signs a two year deal elsewhere, and becomes the second most beloved returning ex-Met since Wilmer Flores. Alonso, of course, being the first.
6. PROPOSED 26 MAN ROSTER AS OF RIGHT NOW
Here is my proposed 26 man opening day roster as of right now, selected solely from players who are currently under team control. This is not intended to be predictive. Rather, it is to point out the holes which will have to be filled, and will be filled.
STARTING LINEUP (excl DH) - 8
Vientos 1B
Acuna 2B
LIndor SS
Baty 3B
Nimmo LF
Taylor CF
Marte RF
Alvarez C
BENCH (incl DH) - 5
Torrens -C
Mauricio - IF
McNeil - IF-OF
Stewart - 1B-OF
Azocar - OF
COMMENT: Nothing wrong with this lineup that signing Soto and Alonzo wouldn’t cure. Alternatively, Adames and Santander. I would be very happy with two of the four. My guess is that we get one of the four, and two lesser names. My gut says that Soto is lost to the Dark Side.
STARTING PITCHING - 5
Senga
Peterson
Blackburn
Megill
Butto
RELIEF PITCHING - 8
Diaz
Stanek
Maton
Nunez
Garrett
Reid-Foley
D. Young
Brazoban
COMMENT: I’m penciling in Burnes at the top of the rotation. They will need two more, I’m guessing one of their own three free agents (preferably Manaea, but they may have to settle) and somebody else. Blackburn’s health is a question mark. Scott is out for the year. Sproat and Tidwell won’t be ready for Opening Day. Not sure Hamel or Vasil will ever be.
I have no clue how you go about strengthening the bullpen. Relief pitching is SO volatile. I am sure they will try. Any opening day bullpen projection is relatively meaningless anyway. They will churn through bullpen arms as they always do, in quest of finding a few keepers.
TL/DR: HOW MUCH IS UNCLE STEVE WILLING TO SPEND? ESPECIALLY AT A 110% TAX RATE?
All comments appreciated.
- UNDER CONTRACT FOR 2025 (6 players)
Francisco Lindor
Starling Marte
Jeff McNeil
Brandon Nimmo
Kodai Senga
COMMENT: Much has been written about how much money is coming off the books. That is true, however, there’s still a shit-ton tied up in the six players named above. $127.6M to be exact. That’s more than the 2024 payrolls of 11 whole teams.
These six guys will almost certainly be a key component of the 2025 squad. Their contracts make them untradable unless Uncle Steve picks up a big chunk of the tab. The only two trade possibilities IMO are McNeil and Marte, in that order. Barring a trade, I can see McNeil being relegated to the Kelly Johnson role.
Note that technically, Sean Manaea is also under contract for 2025. However, he has an opt-out which he will surely exercise
2. CLUB OPTION (1 player); Phil Maton
COMMENT: Mets hold a $7.5M option on Maton. I think they have until 5 days after the end of the WS to exercise or decline it. The buyout is only $250K, so sunk cost is not an issue. My guess is that they will exercise it, but who knows.
3. ARBITRATION ELIGIBLE (8 players):
Paul Blackburn
Tylor Megill
David Peterson
Sean Reid-Foley
DJ Stewart
Tyrone Taylor
Luis Torrens
Alex Young
COMMENT: A historically strong organization would have a bunch of in-prime key guys in this group. The Mets are still building, and so this group is pretty barren. Peterson definitely gets tendered. Megill, Taylor, and Torrens probably do. Blackburn and Reid-Foley are maybes depending on health.
4. PRE-ARBITRATION (17 players)
Luisangel Acuna
Francisco Alvarez
Jose Azocar
Brett Baty
Huascar Brazoban
Jose Butto
Matt Gage
Reid Garrett
Grant Hartwig
Ronny Mauricio
Dedniel Nunez
Eric Orze
Alex Ramirez
Christian Scott
Mark VIentos
Danny Young
Tyler Zuber
COMMENT: Mixed bag. A couple of studs, a few prospects, a few role players, a few maybes, and a few DFA candidates. Note that the Mets best prospects (Sproat, Williams, Gilbert, Clifford, etc.) do not appear on this list as they do not yet have to be protected on the 40 man.
The overall meh-ness of this group reflects the meh-ness of the organization prior to the arrival of Stearns.
5. FREE AGENTS (14 players)
Pete Alonso
Harrison Bader
Jose Iglesias
Max Kranick
Joey Lucchesi
Sean Manaea
JD Martinez
Adam Ottavino
Jose Quintana
Brooks Raley
Luis Severino
Drew Smith
Ryne Stanek
Jesse Winker
COMMENT: Here is where it gets interesting. The big name of course is the name at the top of the list - Alonso. My guess is that the Mets have their sights set elsewhere and he walks. But who knows, Cohen may value his starpower.
Next we consider the three starting pitchers. I doubt that Stearns values any of them as highly as “his guy” - Corbin Burnes. We shall see.
Bader? Nah. Martinez? Nah. Ottavino? Nah. Winker? Maybe. Stanek? Hell yeah.
Smith and Raley both picked the wrong year to require TJS. Neither will be available until the latter portion of next year at the earliest. I suspect we have seen the last of them in orange and blue.
OMG, I forgot somebody! We thank Iglesias both for his play on the field, and his intangibles. My guess is that he signs a two year deal elsewhere, and becomes the second most beloved returning ex-Met since Wilmer Flores. Alonso, of course, being the first.
6. PROPOSED 26 MAN ROSTER AS OF RIGHT NOW
Here is my proposed 26 man opening day roster as of right now, selected solely from players who are currently under team control. This is not intended to be predictive. Rather, it is to point out the holes which will have to be filled, and will be filled.
STARTING LINEUP (excl DH) - 8
Vientos 1B
Acuna 2B
LIndor SS
Baty 3B
Nimmo LF
Taylor CF
Marte RF
Alvarez C
BENCH (incl DH) - 5
Torrens -C
Mauricio - IF
McNeil - IF-OF
Stewart - 1B-OF
Azocar - OF
COMMENT: Nothing wrong with this lineup that signing Soto and Alonzo wouldn’t cure. Alternatively, Adames and Santander. I would be very happy with two of the four. My guess is that we get one of the four, and two lesser names. My gut says that Soto is lost to the Dark Side.
STARTING PITCHING - 5
Senga
Peterson
Blackburn
Megill
Butto
RELIEF PITCHING - 8
Diaz
Stanek
Maton
Nunez
Garrett
Reid-Foley
D. Young
Brazoban
COMMENT: I’m penciling in Burnes at the top of the rotation. They will need two more, I’m guessing one of their own three free agents (preferably Manaea, but they may have to settle) and somebody else. Blackburn’s health is a question mark. Scott is out for the year. Sproat and Tidwell won’t be ready for Opening Day. Not sure Hamel or Vasil will ever be.
I have no clue how you go about strengthening the bullpen. Relief pitching is SO volatile. I am sure they will try. Any opening day bullpen projection is relatively meaningless anyway. They will churn through bullpen arms as they always do, in quest of finding a few keepers.
TL/DR: HOW MUCH IS UNCLE STEVE WILLING TO SPEND? ESPECIALLY AT A 110% TAX RATE?
All comments appreciated.
Wow, great list of everything post season. I love the amount of info you provided!
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Give me Burnes and Santander. I don't think Adames would factor in unless Alonso leaves and Vientos goes to 1st and 3rd base opened up. SS is obviously locked up. Would he consider us knowing he would have to switch positions? Money talks I guess. How is Santander as an OF? Could he be a fulltime DH candidate? I also happen to think we need another strong bat from the left side. Is Baty ready and able to be that guy? Could it be Winker?
Thanks for this. You know your stuff.
You didn’t mention Winker’s fate. You think they let him walk?
On the Alonso front I would agree he was 100% gone prior to his big series saving homer. Now I think closer to 50/50. I actually think he’d give the Mets a hometown discount. I really believe that. The question is will the Mets even offer that amount?
I don’t think Maton is worth 7.5M. I hope he’s gone. Can’t crumble in big spots and have any fan positive feelings. Better to split.
Any trade value in McNeil if we eat some money? I’d rather keep Iglesias and keep winker for a lefty bench bat.
Not sure what severino will get in the offseason but I’d try to keep him in addition to manaea.
Relevant information.
www.mlb.com
2024-25 free agents, position by position
Here is a position-by-position breakdown of the upcoming free-agent class and potential free agents with 2025 options. Players are grouped by position and ranked by their FanGraphs wins above replacement total across 2023-24. Each player's 2025 seasonal age is included in parentheses next to his...
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Great summary. The Mets have a lot to do this offseason.
Quick thoughts: No way that the Mets re-up Maton. They got him for a bag of balls and hoped he could help. He danced through raindrops for a while, but he's not what you want in your bullpen. I'd say it's more likely than not that they resign Alonso and keep him at first, Vientos at third. Alonso's season may have created a market for his services that the Mets like. I'd be surprised if they hand 2B to Acuna. His minor league career doesn't merit it. Even his hot start in the majors withered toward the end. They may send him down for more AAA time.
They'll take a run at Manaea, but it depends on his market. His success was short-term, and maybe the Dodgers solving him the second time around will make the Mets wonder. Corbin Burnes was Stearns's guy when he was young. But Steans is smart and likely thinks 30-year-old, big-contract Burnes isn't as valuable as he was on cheaper terms. Possible though. They may just let Megill go. His productive MLB career was two months long. They will plan as if Sproat will join the rotation during the year, though I wonder whether they'd be worried about his short-term AAA performance. They definitely need to find pitching and the system doesn't seem to have many answers.
Real changes could happen in the outfield, with every position up for grabs. Soto? Unfortunately for the Yankees, it makes a lot of sense. Not often does such a wildly productive player enter free agency so young. If Cohen wants him . . . . They may also go after another outfielder and use Nimmo/Marte as needed, maybe platoon. No idea whom.
It'll be an interesting off-season. I'm just glad we have a smart guy in charge.
I should’ve said NOBODY expected the Mets to Make it to the playoffs let alone the LCS. But I guess it’s between Mendoza and Murphy. I just hope it doesn’t go to Dave Roberts.
All good questions. Agree that Mets only go after Adames under the scenario you have outlined. Although the sequence of events may be different. If the Mets prioritize Adames over Alonso (pure speculation on my part), then they may go hard after Adames early, and if they get him, bid the fondest of farewells to Pete.
I think Stearns will look at the free agent market as Michael Corleone would. Just business. Nothing personal.
I don't think he will look at his own free agents (such as Alonso) any differently from any other free agent. He will put them all in the same pool. He might also throw some trade targets into the pool. Then he'll prioritize his list, and ask Uncle Steve for his allowance so he can go shopping.
Ken Rosenthal had a funny column in The Athletic (paywall) about a hypothetical discussion between Stearns and Cohen regarding Alonso. Cohen was trying to talk Stearns into signing Alonso, whatever it takes, Stearns was pushing back, arguing that the money would be better spent elsewhere. It was meant to be humorous but there may be a grain of truth in it.
One small objection here. I think they will absolutely look at Alonso differently because of his time with the Mets.
You may be right, if Cohen gets his way, and after all he is the boss. But I honestly don't think that Stearns has any emotional attachment to Alonso. Nor do I think Stearns is concerned with fan base reaction. I think his sole concern is winning. Do that, and the rest will fall into place.
Here's what I am thinking with the current roster (MLB and 40-man)
1. Alonso may take the qualifying offer - postseason aside he vastly underperformed this year. He will not get the long term he wants. He's a relatively older player as well - his best years may well be behind him.
2. Vientos will be starting next year, but not at 3rd full time - it'll be DH or 1B.
3. I could see Winker resigning as a part time outfielder and DH - think 300 or so at bats.
4. We need a CF stopgap with some pop next year. Jett Williams takes over mid-year or in 2026.
5. Aside from Williams, Sproat and maybe Mauricio, I don't see any other prospects making an impact next year for the big club. Appreciate the job Acuna did but I'm not sold on him yet. .
6. Bullpen - We have Diaz and Garrett. Keep Brazoban for now, although I'm certainly not sold on him. Resign Stanek. Say goodbye to Maton, the Youngs, and Ottavino. Fill in the rest with trades/free agents (or Butto - see below)
7. Rotation: We have Peterson and Senga, and I think Peterson can definitely be a solid number four. Offer Menea and two year deal with a player option for year 3, opt out after year two. Pay the money. That's three starters. Say goodbye to Severino and Quintana. Non-tender Magill - I've seen enough and we can use the money we'd save on someone better. While Butto did find some success out of the pen, I'd like to give him another try as a starter. We don't want to "Lugo" him. Sign proven free agent such as Burnes - I think Burnes, Senga, Maenea, Peterson and Sproat/Butto is a more than solid rotation.
1. Alonso may take the qualifying offer - postseason aside he vastly underperformed this year. He will not get the long term he wants. He's a relatively older player as well - his best years may well be behind him.
2. Vientos will be starting next year, but not at 3rd full time - it'll be DH or 1B.
3. I could see Winker resigning as a part time outfielder and DH - think 300 or so at bats.
4. We need a CF stopgap with some pop next year. Jett Williams takes over mid-year or in 2026.
5. Aside from Williams, Sproat and maybe Mauricio, I don't see any other prospects making an impact next year for the big club. Appreciate the job Acuna did but I'm not sold on him yet. .
6. Bullpen - We have Diaz and Garrett. Keep Brazoban for now, although I'm certainly not sold on him. Resign Stanek. Say goodbye to Maton, the Youngs, and Ottavino. Fill in the rest with trades/free agents (or Butto - see below)
7. Rotation: We have Peterson and Senga, and I think Peterson can definitely be a solid number four. Offer Menea and two year deal with a player option for year 3, opt out after year two. Pay the money. That's three starters. Say goodbye to Severino and Quintana. Non-tender Magill - I've seen enough and we can use the money we'd save on someone better. While Butto did find some success out of the pen, I'd like to give him another try as a starter. We don't want to "Lugo" him. Sign proven free agent such as Burnes - I think Burnes, Senga, Maenea, Peterson and Sproat/Butto is a more than solid rotation.
For me, starting pitchers I would want Corbin Burnes to be my Ace. Then Senga as my number two. I would try to get Manea back as number 3 starter. Seve I am torn on, I would lean to not bring him back unless it’s at a good price for the team, I have a feeling the Mets want him back, would be a pretty decent number 4, but not at a high cost. Peterson is next. Then you need to find other arms to fill it out.
Actually after the Mets beat the Yankees during the regular season I posted in this very thread that I follow the motto "Winners brag, losers shut up."
Well, you could have tried.
Good analysis. Suggest you move to new thread. My thoughts:
1) No chance Alonso accepts QO. Worst case, he accepts a short term deal at a higher AAV than the QO.
2) Very possibly.
3) Somebody will pay Winker starter's money.
4) Agree, hopefully.
5) Somewhat agree. Gilbert is not progressing as hoped. I do have hopes for Acuna though.
6) I still think they offer Maton. Both Young's will have a chance to make the team. Reid-Foley also in the mix if healthy.
7) I think you have it right, except I don't think they will cut ties with Megill. He won't cost more than $2M in arbitration. At that price, at worst he will be this year's Joey Lucchesi.
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