That selectivity spiral happened a few years ago to Northeastern after they “worked” to get a top 50 ranking. That selectivity spiral is starting to happen at Rutgers.
OT: Applications for Rutgers NB have increased almost 40% for Fall 2024
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They worked the system but it was not all just by manipulating the numbers. I think their co-op program has really elevated their status.
ETA I think NE will start to decline due to their study aboard program. Know someone who dropped off their fros kid for NE at JFK airport. Not how most kids want to start college.
After first year, once a student is in their major, the different schools and departments can be small and intimate. While the major no longer exists at RU, ceramic engineering was very homey and classes the last 2 years were 10 to 30 students.
Clemson was the one. NU has many individualy ranked program. If you dug deeper, you'd see it's earned
40% Year over Year doesn't seem right. We didn't win the National Championship or some other insane marketing event.
Regardless though the US News Rankings certainly has helped, some moderate success in athletics helps the good feels around RU, but other than that - nothing that would move the needle on applications that much.
I think once College Ave campus gets the face lift that's been planned that'll be another attractive piece added to the RU offering.
Regardless though the US News Rankings certainly has helped, some moderate success in athletics helps the good feels around RU, but other than that - nothing that would move the needle on applications that much.
I think once College Ave campus gets the face lift that's been planned that'll be another attractive piece added to the RU offering.
All this talk about student loan in the media caught the attention of parents. The stupid parents that allowed their kids go to their Dream college and the kids are now acting like grown up are now realizing this is a huge financial decision.
The change in the US ranking reflects the fact that other than maybe the Ivy League schools, the outcome later in life and job is no difference in most cases from good state schools and expensive private schools.
After first year, once a student is in their major, the different schools and departments can be small and intimate. While the major no longer exists at RU, ceramic engineering was very homey and classes the last 2 years were 10 to 30 students
Agree.
We’ve covered this on the Issues Board when Rutgers finally decided to be part of it.
While the number is probably higher than many of us anticipated, it’s really not a surprise.
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US News ratings matter a lot. They may be BS, but this is what parents and college counselors use. Also, as other posters already mentioned, people to wising up to the cost/value aspect of college choices. RU is attractive on both counts now.
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As a ChemE student, I never stepped foot Livingston, College Ave, or Cook until I decided to do a dual degree program with History as well. Then my classes broadened out a bit. The Rutgers experience is way smaller and more focused than prospective students/parents think.
I think Rutgersal will agree with me that the increase in the application is directly correlated to GW being the starter.
Don’t you mean test optional classes where you just need to complete your work.
That may be a better way to do college classes in general. Get the work done. I have never in my career been given a test to complete in an hour or two. LOL!
Courtney from Rutgers admissions needs to get his act together with the figures he publishes. US colleges have a dreadful track record reporting admissions data accurately. The 40% number is impossible yet it is already appearing in headlines.
A question I have for TKR readers is why does Rutgers have such a tiny percentage of out-of-state students?
Percent of first-year undergraduates - out-of-state, fall 2021
Rutgers 6%
Illinois 15%
Northwestern 37%*
Indiana 42%
Iowa 39%
Maryland 29%
Michigan 45%*
Michigan State 18%
Minnesota 27%
Nebraska 24%
Ohio State 23%
Penn State not available
Wisconsin 45%
Purdue 45%
Source: Integrated Postgraduate Education Data Center
*2020 data, 2021 not available
Edited to correct Courtney's gender
A question I have for TKR readers is why does Rutgers have such a tiny percentage of out-of-state students?
Percent of first-year undergraduates - out-of-state, fall 2021
Rutgers 6%
Illinois 15%
Northwestern 37%*
Indiana 42%
Iowa 39%
Maryland 29%
Michigan 45%*
Michigan State 18%
Minnesota 27%
Nebraska 24%
Ohio State 23%
Penn State not available
Wisconsin 45%
Purdue 45%
Source: Integrated Postgraduate Education Data Center
*2020 data, 2021 not available
Edited to correct Courtney's gender
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As a parent who recently lived through the college application process with my kid, the Rutgers application was by far the hardest/frustrating for my son to complete(harder than Ivy League(except for the financial stuff I had to do). Sure even with the common app now there are school specific essays, but the fact that he had to basically redo everything from the common app to apply to just one school was a pain, And quite frankly the old application form was complex and buggy.
While the common app is going to account for the entire 40% increase, I will bet it accounts for a large majority.
Applying to RU previously was hard work and a specific decision. Now its, yeah, might as well check that box too.
That’s what I’m saying.
All of the other stuff mentioned in thread matters too.
But the ability now to do the “sure, why not” of the Common Application with RU doesn’t hurt.
Wife went to Fordham, when they became part of the Common Application the school talked about this too. Big increase as well.
Well then Rutgers corrected a wrong in having such a difficult application. I wouldn't apply if it was more difficult than other schools.
Because Rutgers is a NJ state school that still receives state funds that suppose to serve NJ residents. I believe Rutgers wants more out of state students which pay higher tuitions but the NJ media and residents berate Rutgers for increasing the out of state students. The media and NJ residents that have no connection to Rutgers are not friends of Rutgers.
First, Northwestern is private,. Second, many of these state schools have much lower populations than New Jersey. Fewer in state qualified applicants. Rutgers might be pushing the envelope on low OOS students, but you'll never reach 25% or more
Every B1G school, with exception of private Northwestern, is in the same situation as Rutgers - a flagship state university.
I have not seen "NJ media and residents berate Rutgers for increasing the out of state of students." Please support this assertion.
On TKR, posters seem indifferent to the geographic origin of students. For example, I have not seen a post suggesting Rutgers erred by offering Gavin W or Gavin G scholarships because these opportunities should have been reserved for New Jersey residents.
Michigan and Iowa have 2 flagship universities. You actually think that Iowa can fill Iowa and Iowa St with the same %. of qualified in state applicants that NJ can send Rutgers ?
Many of the states with schools in the B1G - Michigan, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio - have larger populations than New Jersey.
In addition, 40% of New Jersey residents enrolled in college leave the state to attend college. This is by far the highest of states with B1G schools, making it more difficult for Rutgers to attract in-state residents.
College Enrollment Statistics [2024]: Total + by Demographic
College enrollment statistics for U.S. postsecondary institutions broken down by state, race, ethnicity, gender, age and degree.
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Schools get a bump in applications when they first switch to the Common App (typically 10% the first year and 25% after 10 years).
Other factors that help… college applications are up this year compared to the past few years and the US News ranking can’t be discounted. A perfect storm of sorts for Rutgers this year.
Other factors that help… college applications are up this year compared to the past few years and the US News ranking can’t be discounted. A perfect storm of sorts for Rutgers this year.
NJ media and residents berate Rutgers for increasing the out of state of students."
I have seen articles to this but I don’t need to research it for you, you do the reseach.
It was too easy to find on the internet.
Here's why it's getting harder for N.J. kids to get into Rutgers
The number of foreign and out-of-state students admitted to Rutgers University is on the rise.
But, increasingly, you may also run across students from California, Texas, Florida, China, India and South Korea walking down College Avenue.
Last year, nearly 12,500 students, or 17 percent of Rutgers' student body, were from outside New Jersey, according to campus statistics. That is nearly double the number of out-of-state students enrolled on Rutgers' three campuses a decade ago.
There are enough non-Jersey students at Rutgers now that they've formed their own group -- the Rutgers University Out-of-State Student Organization -- to plan trips and social events.
Expect their numbers to keep rising, said Courtney McAnuff, Rutgers' vice president for enrollment management.
"It's been increasing," McAnuff said. "We have recruited more international and out-of-state."
Debasish Dutta, the new chancellor of Rutgers-New Brunswick, is the former provost and executive vice president of Purdue University.
Dutta said Purdue, like many other public universities, are in states with small populations that need out-of-state students to fill their classes.
"That's not the case in New Jersey," Dutta said. "We are not in the same situation."
The new chancellor said he plans to look at the shifting balance between in-state and out-of-state students on the New Brunswick campus, which has had the largest influx of international and out-of-state undergraduates.
It is important that Rutgers consider student quality and its ability to serve first-generation college students, veterans and students with disabilities, he said.
"We are a state institution," Dutta said. "Our responsibility is first and foremost to the people of New Jersey. There's no question about that."
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This is not new news-- not too long ago there was a post on here about the increase in applications by leagues. Ucla led the Big , RU was second and the numbers were in the 30ties over a one year period .
I don't think that was applications, I think that was student population. But I could be remembering wrong.
I saw that article.NJ media and residents berate Rutgers for increasing the out of state of students."
I have seen articles to this but I don’t need to research it for you, you do the reseach.
It was too easy to find on the internet.
Here's why it's getting harder for N.J. kids to get into Rutgers
The number of foreign and out-of-state students admitted to Rutgers University is on the rise.www.nj.com
But, increasingly, you may also run across students from California, Texas, Florida, China, India and South Korea walking down College Avenue.
Last year, nearly 12,500 students, or 17 percent of Rutgers' student body, were from outside New Jersey, according to campus statistics. That is nearly double the number of out-of-state students enrolled on Rutgers' three campuses a decade ago.
There are enough non-Jersey students at Rutgers now that they've formed their own group -- the Rutgers University Out-of-State Student Organization -- to plan trips and social events.
Expect their numbers to keep rising, said Courtney McAnuff, Rutgers' vice president for enrollment management.
"It's been increasing," McAnuff said. "We have recruited more international and out-of-state."
Debasish Dutta, the new chancellor of Rutgers-New Brunswick, is the former provost and executive vice president of Purdue University.
Dutta said Purdue, like many other public universities, are in states with small populations that need out-of-state students to fill their classes.
"That's not the case in New Jersey," Dutta said. "We are not in the same situation."
The new chancellor said he plans to look at the shifting balance between in-state and out-of-state students on the New Brunswick campus, which has had the largest influx of international and out-of-state undergraduates.
It is important that Rutgers consider student quality and its ability to serve first-generation college students, veterans and students with disabilities, he said.
"We are a state institution," Dutta said. "Our responsibility is first and foremost to the people of New Jersey. There's no question about that."
Where is it written or suggested the NJ media and residents berating Rutgers admission policy?
* Edited to add admission policy
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You have a problem if you can’t see from the article that it not favorable. It give ammunition for the parents who kids can’t get into Rutgers. Other article mention we should keep the in state % higher. You consider that article positive?
Some articles provide transparency which some may say is a good thing but in recent years, the media has exposed the salaries for town police forces and it just pisses me off when I see them making $150-180k for an average policeman. That’s what happens with some NJ residents who kids can’t get in.
Dave, Debasish Dutta left Rutgers in 2018.NJ media and residents berate Rutgers for increasing the out of state of students."
I have seen articles to this but I don’t need to research it for you, you do the reseach.
It was too easy to find on the internet.
Here's why it's getting harder for N.J. kids to get into Rutgers
The number of foreign and out-of-state students admitted to Rutgers University is on the rise.
But, increasingly, you may also run across students from California, Texas, Florida, China, India and South Korea walking down College Avenue.
Last year, nearly 12,500 students, or 17 percent of Rutgers' student body, were from outside New Jersey, according to campus statistics. That is nearly double the number of out-of-state students enrolled on Rutgers' three campuses a decade ago.
There are enough non-Jersey students at Rutgers now that they've formed their own group -- the Rutgers University Out-of-State Student Organization -- to plan trips and social events.
Expect their numbers to keep rising, said Courtney McAnuff, Rutgers' vice president for enrollment management.
"It's been increasing," McAnuff said. "We have recruited more international and out-of-state."
Debasish Dutta, the new chancellor of Rutgers-New Brunswick, is the former provost and executive vice president of Purdue University.
Dutta said Purdue, like many other public universities, are in states with small populations that need out-of-state students to fill their classes.
"That's not the case in New Jersey," Dutta said. "We are not in the same situation."
The new chancellor said he plans to look at the shifting balance between in-state and out-of-state students on the New Brunswick campus, which has had the largest influx of international and out-of-state undergraduates.
It is important that Rutgers consider student quality and its ability to serve first-generation college students, veterans and students with disabilities, he said.
"We are a state institution," Dutta said. "Our responsibility is first and foremost to the people of New Jersey. There's no question about that."
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Well, we had this discussion on this board before probably years ago and there were some saying why let more out of state students in when there‘s not enough room for in state students and it’s a state institution.
That's a them issue. They can react however they choose to react, or feel however they want to feel. But there is nothing in that article - old though it maybe - that rose to the level of berating. No charged language, no statement that the trend is improper or wrong, no accusations, no opining that it needs to be stopped.
It simply laid out the facts as they were at the time (seven years ago), even pointing out that Rutgers has by far the highest percentage of in-state students of anybody in the league.
And yes, transparency is good.
NJ law limits OOS though we make up the number with international students.
We've always known that RU is the best public school in the Northeast and superior to the pricey private schools like Cuse and Nova.
Now USNWR has confirmed it and some in the Shop Rite line have woken up.
Now USNWR has confirmed it and some in the Shop Rite line have woken up.
Applicants for undergraduate admission to Rutgers University-New Brunswick:
Year Applications Year-over-year change
2021 43,161 4.6%
2020 41,263 -0.1%
2019 41,286 -0.1%
2018 41,348 7.7%
2017 38,384 4.7%
2016 36,677 3.8%
2015 35,340 10.6%
2014 31,941 4.3%
2013 30,631 7.0%
2012 28,635 0.1%
2011 28,602 -3.1%
2010 29,532 3.2%
2009 28,624 -3.1%
2008 29,547 4.7%
2007 28,208 2.4%
2006 27,560
Source: Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System
Note: 2006-2021 compound annual growth rate = 3.0%
Year Applications Year-over-year change
2021 43,161 4.6%
2020 41,263 -0.1%
2019 41,286 -0.1%
2018 41,348 7.7%
2017 38,384 4.7%
2016 36,677 3.8%
2015 35,340 10.6%
2014 31,941 4.3%
2013 30,631 7.0%
2012 28,635 0.1%
2011 28,602 -3.1%
2010 29,532 3.2%
2009 28,624 -3.1%
2008 29,547 4.7%
2007 28,208 2.4%
2006 27,560
Source: Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System
Note: 2006-2021 compound annual growth rate = 3.0%
Interesting. I am not aware of this law. Could you point me to it?
I would not be surprised if the university set its own geographic guidelines surrounding admissions, but I'd like to know more about the New Jersey law.
Seeing those application numbers makes me think we climb even further in next year's USNWR rankings.
