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some of them here do not like when their narrative gets challenge with FACTS AND DATA, they just attack the poster

Again we hear from the guy who loudly proclaimed in March that Covid is no worse than the flu. - based on your convenient "facts and data". We should do nothing and not be concerned about the 30,000+ people who would die from it.

Congratulations. If we had following your "scientific" approach and did nothing, we would likely be approaching a million deaths. Even your hero Trump listened to the "experts" for a month or two, so the experts managed to suppress the pandemic - until Trump lost interest and did absolutely nothing at all once summer came. I am sure you idolize him even more for that.

We are now approaching 300 THOUSAND deaths from it. That is likely an under-estimation if you check actual scientific sources - which you don't. Comparing the deaths this year versus the "normal" death rates yields a considerably higher number. But of course you swear by your far-right "sources" like Fox News or OAN or worse. Your "FACTS AND DATA" all seem to be non-scientific ones, but those "facts" are fine because they support the far-right agenda. So what if they require twisted logic?

The great state of Texas is now taking your "facts and logic" to challenge the election and support what amounts to a "coup" attempt by your fearless leader. If these facts get laughed out of court like the 30+ previous coup attempts by Trump, you will just come up with some more "bogus" facts and data.

It is not difficult to understand your leanings. You keep posting that people over 70 are far more likely to die (10%) from this virus, so why should you worry? It is not likely to impact you. Why worry about the people whom you apparently consider "expendable"?
 
Again we hear from the guy who loudly proclaimed in March that Covid is no worse than the flu. - based on your convenient "facts and data". We should do nothing and not be concerned about the 30,000+ people who would die from it.

Congratulations. If we had following your "scientific" approach and did nothing, we would likely be approaching a million deaths. Even your hero Trump listened to the "experts" for a month or two, so the experts managed to suppress the pandemic - until Trump lost interest and did absolutely nothing at all once summer came. I am sure you idolize him even more for that.

We are now approaching 300 THOUSAND deaths from it. That is likely an under-estimation if you check actual scientific sources - which you don't. Comparing the deaths this year versus the "normal" death rates yields a considerably higher number. But of course you swear by your far-right "sources" like Fox News or OAN or worse. Your "FACTS AND DATA" all seem to be non-scientific ones, but those "facts" are fine because they support the far-right agenda. So what if they require twisted logic?

The great state of Texas is now taking your "facts and logic" to challenge the election and support what amounts to a "coup" attempt by your fearless leader. If these facts get laughed out of court like the 30+ previous coup attempts by Trump, you will just come up with some more "bogus" facts and data.

It is not difficult to understand your leanings. You keep posting that people over 70 are far more likely to die (10%) from this virus, so why should you worry? It is not likely to impact you. Why worry about the people whom you apparently consider "expendable"?

Nooe never said or made any comparison to the flu

You are a fake fraud liar. Its the 2nd time you made something up

Not sure why you are bringing up Trump or my political leanings as that has nothing to do with Covid and what my post discussed
 
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@bac, stop, just stop. I’m begging you.
Bac ruins this thread. So annoying.

You guys like echo chambers? Bac is entitled to express his opinion. Last time I checked, it's a free country, and free speech is a thing, except on Facebook and Twitter, where the overlords only thing certain speech s free. Let people talk. You can put them on ignore if you don't like them.
 
You guys like echo chambers? Bac is entitled to express his opinion. Last time I checked, it's a free country, and free speech is a thing, except on Facebook and Twitter, where the overlords only thing certain speech s free. Let people talk. You can put them on ignore if you don't like them.

You’re not supposed to post political stuff in here and posting misinformation should also be a banable offense.
 
You’re not supposed to post political stuff in here and posting misinformation should also be a banable offense.
Who made you a moderator?

Here's an item. You'll probably laugh at the source, because you only like your sources that are laced with pom poms for your side. The WHO needs major reforms. It's alignment with China is problematic and now this:

 
???? that is odd, what exactly is political

i am posting data, graphs, and charts and articles.

I posted an article on opening schools and somehow that was labelled misinformation...thats odd. These are actually scientists saying it

Usually people use the word misinformation or disinformation when they don't agree with whats being said as a matter to dismiss it out of hand without addressing it.

So instead of addressing my charts, graphs and links I post to, a few here have resorted to just making a personal attack..that is rather odd.

the idea that misinformation is a bannable offense as if someone can even determine that..omg you are humiliating yourself
 
You guys like echo chambers? Bac is entitled to express his opinion. Last time I checked, it's a free country, and free speech is a thing, except on Facebook and Twitter, where the overlords only thing certain speech s free. Let people talk. You can put them on ignore if you don't like them.
You are absolutely right. Opinions are always welcome, this is a free country. But don’t pass opinions off as fact.
 
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Thats why EVERYTHING needs to be fact checked for context. Some think because the MSM reports something its true. We have had enough fake news on both sides to realize everyone needs to do their own research

Whats bizarre is that Fauci should know better about the liklihood of a 32 year old dying of Covid instead of using the story to push more fear mongering
 
In the 25-34 age range over 59K people have died total..about 1900 attributed to Covid..i believe there are 45 milion in this age range
 
Do you even read what you post? This os your big "fake news" smoking gun?

"The final cause of death was determined to be a combination of things, including an enlarged heart and an infection in his lungs. While he tested negative for COVID-19 at this time, these issues can reflect long-term complications from previous recovery."
 
Do you even read what you post? This os your big "fake news" smoking gun?

"The final cause of death was determined to be a combination of things, including an enlarged heart and an infection in his lungs. While he tested negative for COVID-19 at this time, these issues can reflect long-term complications from previous recovery."


you are digging your hole deeper...we do not even have a covid positive test result on him
 
Welp, Sanofi shit the bed. Now up to JNJ and Novavax (who keeps delaying their P3).

Wait a minute, I thought T was boasting about how definitive and unequivocal Sanofis leadership position with vaccines? How can this be?
 
Thats why EVERYTHING needs to be fact checked for context. Some think because the MSM reports something its true. We have had enough fake news on both sides to realize everyone needs to do their own research

Whats bizarre is that Fauci should know better about the liklihood of a 32 year old dying of Covid instead of using the story to push more fear mongering
If this is true things really need to change. The mis- information is astounding.
 
BOOM! We have an approved vaccine. Developed in under a year. People to start receiving doses tomorrow. Remarkable accomplishment by Pfizer and the federal government (yes, gotta give credit to the WH and FDA to streamlining the approval process while sticking to uncompromising data standards.


The Food and Drug Administration has approved Pfizer and BioNTech’s coronavirus vaccine for emergency use, a monumental turning point in the once-in-a-century pandemic that has taken nearly 300,000 American lives in less than a year and wreaked havoc on the U.S. economy.

FDA Chief Scientist Denise Hinton told Pfizer in a letter Friday that she was authorizing the emergency use of the company’s vaccine.

President Donald Trump called it a “medical miracle” in a video tweet. “We’ve delivered a safe and effective vaccine in just 9 months,” Trump said. “This is one of the greatest scientific accomplishments in history.”

Dr. Peter Marks, director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, said the decision “holds the promise to alter the course of this pandemic in the United States.”“With science guiding our decision-making, the available safety and effectiveness data support the authorization of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine because the vaccine’s known and potential benefits clearly outweigh its known and potential risks,” he said.

The FDA’s emergency use authorization will now kick-start the federal government’s distribution of the potentially lifesaving doses to 64 states, territories and major cities across the nation. The government plans to distribute 2.9 million doses of the vaccine within 24 hours, followed by an additional 2.9 million doses 21 days later for patients to get their second shot, Gen. Gustave Perna, who oversees logistics for President Donald Trump’s vaccine program Operation Warp Speed, said Wednesday. Pfizer’s vaccine requires two doses administered three weeks apart.

The vaccine could not come at a more crucial time. Hospitals across the U.S. already have a higher load of Covid patients than ever before, and the country’s outbreak is primed to set even more grim records. The U.S. reported 3,124 new Covid-19 deaths on Wednesday, the deadliest single-day tally of the pandemic so far, according to a CNBC analysis of Johns Hopkins University data. The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Robert Redfield, warned earlier this month that the next few months of the pandemic would be among “the most difficult in the public health history of this nation.”

Initial doses of Pfizer’s vaccine will be limited as manufacturing ramps up, with officials predicting it will take months to immunize everyone in the U.S. who wants to be vaccinated. Pfizer has said it plans to ship 50 million vaccine doses this year, enough to inoculate 25 million people. The vaccine is expected to be distributed in phases with the most critical U.S. workers and vulnerable people getting it first. The CDC has provided states with an outline that recommends prioritizing health-care workers and nursing homes first, but states can distribute the vaccine as they see fit.

An emergency use authorization, or EUA, isn’t the same as a full approval, which can typically take months. Pfizer has only submitted two months of follow-up safety data, but the agency usually requires six months for full approval. The vaccine was authorized for people 16 and older.

On Friday, FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn said the agency was “rapidly” working toward clearing the vaccine for emergency use. Shortly after Hahn’s statement, Trump, who has repeatedly said that he pushed the FDA to move more quickly in the vaccine development process, told the agency in a tweet to “Get the dam vaccines out NOW.”

The FDA’s announcement comes after a key agency advisory panel on Thursday voted 17 to 4 with one abstention to recommend the vaccine for emergency authorization. The Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee plays a key role in approving flu and other vaccines in the U.S., verifying the shots are safe for public use. While the FDA doesn’t have to follow the advisory committee’s recommendation, it often does.

The FDA clearance marks a record-breaking time frame for a process that normally takes about a decade. The fastest-ever vaccine development, for mumps, took more than four years and was licensed in 1967. Pfizer and BioNTech announced plans to develop a coronavirus vaccine in March and submitted an application to the FDA for emergency authorization in November. Health regulators in Canada, the U.K. and Bahrain have all cleared Pfizer’s vaccine for use by most adults.

Pfizer’s vaccine uses messenger RNA, or mRNA, technology. It’s a new approach to vaccines that uses genetic material to provoke an immune response. Moderna, another front-runner in the Covid vaccine race, is also using mRNA technology. Late-stage clinical trial data shows Pfizer’s vaccine is 95% effective in preventing Covid, is safe and appears to fend off severe disease. To achieve maximum effectiveness, the vaccine requires two doses taken about 21 days apart.

Pfizer’s vaccine requires a storage temperature of minus 94 degrees Fahrenheit, presenting potential logistical challenges for rural areas and inner cities that may not have good health-care infrastructure. By comparison, Moderna has said its vaccine can be stored for up to six months at minus 4 degrees Fahrenheit.

U.S. officials plan to continue watching for any adverse reactions to Pfizer’s vaccine in the health-care workers and nursing home residents who receive it, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease, said during the agency’s meeting Thursday. Officials will use a text messaging system, called v-safe, which is intended to provide early indications about possible adverse reactions from the vaccine.

During the meeting, FDA vaccine reviewer Dr. Susan Wollersheim noted the trial data showed a “numerical imbalance” in cases of Bell’s palsy, a condition that causes a temporary weakness or paralysis of the muscles in the face. She said there were four cases in the vaccine group and none in the placebo group. While the frequency of cases was not out of line with the general population, the FDA recommended further surveillance once the vaccine is more broadly distributed.

 
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You guys like echo chambers? Bac is entitled to express his opinion. Last time I checked, it's a free country, and free speech is a thing, except on Facebook and Twitter, where the overlords only thing certain speech s free. Let people talk. You can put them on ignore if you don't like them.
Bac is incapable of telling the truth. Sorry as a lawyer you know facts are facts. All of Bac's sources are jokes who would never be allowed to testify as an expert in court. BAC continuously posts lies.
 
Again we hear from the guy who loudly proclaimed in March that Covid is no worse than the flu. - based on your convenient "facts and data". We should do nothing and not be concerned about the 30,000+ people who would die from it.

Congratulations. If we had following your "scientific" approach and did nothing, we would likely be approaching a million deaths. Even your hero Trump listened to the "experts" for a month or two, so the experts managed to suppress the pandemic - until Trump lost interest and did absolutely nothing at all once summer came. I am sure you idolize him even more for that.

We are now approaching 300 THOUSAND deaths from it. That is likely an under-estimation if you check actual scientific sources - which you don't. Comparing the deaths this year versus the "normal" death rates yields a considerably higher number. But of course you swear by your far-right "sources" like Fox News or OAN or worse. Your "FACTS AND DATA" all seem to be non-scientific ones, but those "facts" are fine because they support the far-right agenda. So what if they require twisted logic?

The great state of Texas is now taking your "facts and logic" to challenge the election and support what amounts to a "coup" attempt by your fearless leader. If these facts get laughed out of court like the 30+ previous coup attempts by Trump, you will just come up with some more "bogus" facts and data.

It is not difficult to understand your leanings. You keep posting that people over 70 are far more likely to die (10%) from this virus, so why should you worry? It is not likely to impact you. Why worry about the people whom you apparently consider "expendable"?
So, so true.
 
Sucks nobody in here will be able to get the Pfizer vaccine anytime soon. That’s the one I’ve wanted all along.

I have a gut feeling JNJ ain’t gonna make the cut and our only hope getting vaccinated before summer is Moderna (which is not a bad choice).

Hope JNJ surprises, but think they are reaching a bit with only 1 shot.
 
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Says I do not have the privileges to post in that thread. Very interesting. But I know why it happened.. think it was a bit lame... but it is what it is. No big deal.

EDIT: This has now been merged into the thread where I cannot reply.. insufficient privileges. Did the OP of this thread ask for it to be merged?

So here's a legit question I have bene dying to ask.. since the common cold is a corona-type virus.. and since this will be the first successful (I hope) vaccines against a corona-type virus.. could this lead to a cure for the common cold? How about it @RU848789 ?
 
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Sucks nobody in here will be able to get the Pfizer vaccine anytime soon. That’s the one I’ve wanted all along.

I have a gut feeling JNJ ain’t gonna make the cut and our only hope getting vaccinated before summer is Moderna (which is not a bad choice).

Hope JNJ surprises, but think they are reaching a bit with only 1 shot.
Anyone that wants a vaccine will be able to get one by May/June. This will probably happen even earlier (based on cases and nutty folks refusing the vaccine). Younger not at risk people will start getting shots by end of March'ish. Look for a new Pfizer announcement of additional doses becoming available in late Q1, it's already in the works. Moderna just doubled their order going to the US.

Full baseball stadiums by 4th of July? Probably.

Life is Good. Enjoy the great news tonight! 😁
 
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Anyone that wants a vaccine will be able to get one by May/June. This will probably happen even earlier (based on cases and nutty folks refusing the vaccine). Younger not at risk people will start getting shots by end of March'ish. Look for a new Pfizer announcement of additional doses becoming available in late Q1, it's already in the works. Moderna just doubled their order going to the US.

Full baseball stadiums by 4th of July? Probably.

Life is Good. Enjoy the great news tonight! 😁

Yeah I’m banking on people who have already been infected not being in any rush to get the vaccine. I don’t really need the vaccine because I’m young and healthy, I just don’t want to have to think about it or worry about infecting other people.
 
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Selling old vaccines and past tech is no indication of innovation and future research. As you mentioned, Sanofi is universally recognized as the top vaccine company.
Ok, show me something that shows Sanofi is the best. Even this McKinsey report on the state of vaccines says that development of new vaccines has slowed across the board for the "big 4" (Merck, Pfizer, GSK, and Sanofi). Also, Merck's new and improved Pneumovax vaccine is poised to take on Pfizer's leading vaccine in the field and Merck led one of the most brilliant vaccine development programs in years with its work on the very effective Ebola vaccine and they have a solid pipeline. And both Merck and Sanofi were a bit slow on COVID - it happens.

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries.../refueling-the-innovation-engine-in-vaccines#
Welp, Sanofi shit the bed. Now up to JNJ and Novavax (who keeps delaying their P3).

https://apnews.com/article/europe-coronavirus-pandemic-b465ce2e9483b972ad546b8c91021c01

T - I'll cut you a break, since you've been on very good behavior in this thread, which I appreciate, but you have to admit this kind of hurts your take on Sanofi. I take no pleasure in this, though, since we need all the successful vaccines we can get, especially with AZ/Oxford not being as good as the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines, although I still see it being approved, since nobody who got the vaccine in that trial got seriously ill, which is the most important thing. Great to see the Pfizer/BioNTech EUA approved today, too, which we all knew was going to happen.

Speaking of other vaccines, another timely blog entry today from Derek Lowe, looking at several other vaccines. He's similarly a bit skittish on J&J, since they're using a similar adenovirus vector vaccine as AZ/Oxford (except it's a human one vs. a chimp adenovirus), which might have similar shortcomings - we'll see. Also, given Sanofi's problems with not sparking a sufficient immune response in phase I in people over 50 causing them to have to retool their formulation/adjuvant for their protein delivery system, he's concerned with Novavax possibly having challenges, as their vaccine is similar, although they did not have the same problems in phase I (but who knows about with preventing infection). He also mentions Sinopharm (the Chinese deactivated coronavirus-based vaccine - old school), which had a report from the UAE of 86% efficacy, but no real data behind it. And we still haven't heard much from the Russians. More to come soon hopefully.

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeli...1/a-wider-variety-of-vaccine-platforms-report
 
So my wife is a pharmacist at a large hospital here in the Central NJ area. Employees have already been asked to schedule if and when they will take the Pfizer vaccine. I didn’t realize the PFE vaccine requires prior mixing and certain instructions that I read about bringing to room temperature and thawing before dilution. Very specific instructions which as a finance guy don’t resonate with me but the pharmacist assured me this is what they do all day in the hospital.
 
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So my wife is a pharmacist at a large hospital here in the Central NJ area. Employees have already been asked to schedule if and when they will take the Pfizer vaccine. I didn’t realize the PFE vaccine requires prior mixing and certain instructions that I read about bringing to room temperature and thawing before dilution. Very specific instructions which as a finance guy don’t resonate with me but the pharmacist assured me this is what they do all day in the hospital.
Very common, as nobody wants to ship (and possibly freeze/thaw) 100X the volume needed to ship, so they make the vaccine 100X or more concentrated and dilute it up to the appropriate volume with sterile water or saline and then use that for a set number of injections. Most vaccines are manufactured very concentrated and require dilution and many/most are at least refrigerated with some frozen; Pfizer's -70C/-94F frozen is unusual.
 
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