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Countries like Germany; S Korea and Russia have very little personal freedoms and do as they are told. This is serving them well in the global pandemic but doesn’t work so well when a maniacal dictator takes over the country.

Project Warp speed is showing what our military can do while protecting us and allowing us our freedoms.

The top 10 poorest cities in the US have all been controlled by one party. That party did everything they could to destroy our President and nothing to help during this pandemic. That party has a lot of good people voting for them and many core values I agree with but the leaders are a major detriment to this country as are the biased media and the Uber wealthy people who control them.

Everyone saw the rousing ovation at the Army Navy game. Everyone sees the success of Warp Speed. But our media ignores it and the sheep keep following.

Germany "has very little personal freedoms" and somehow the post manages to go downhill hard from there.

Too bad claps don't equal votes. Sad!
 
Moderna side effects a tad worse than Pfizer, but just as effective. Almost looks like 1 shot is good enough, I wonder if they’ll ever test that. Shame Bell’s Palsy popped again, this time 3-1.
 
Countries like Germany; S Korea and Russia have very little personal freedoms and do as they are told. This is serving them well in the global pandemic but doesn’t work so well when a maniacal dictator takes over the country.

Project Warp speed is showing what our military can do while protecting us and allowing us our freedoms.

The top 10 poorest cities in the US have all been controlled by one party. That party did everything they could to destroy our President and nothing to help during this pandemic. That party has a lot of good people voting for them and many core values I agree with but the leaders are a major detriment to this country as are the biased media and the Uber wealthy people who control them.

Everyone saw the rousing ovation at the Army Navy game. Everyone sees the success of Warp Speed. But our media ignores it and the sheep keep following.
Wrong board. This CE cesspool material.
 
Home test I linked the other day was FDA approved. Supply will be lacking at first though. I’m sure we’ll be seeing many similar tests over the next few months, and that will hopefully help with the supply.

 
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Moderna side effects a tad worse than Pfizer, but just as effective. Almost looks like 1 shot is good enough, I wonder if they’ll ever test that. Shame Bell’s Palsy popped again, this time 3-1.
what do you mean 3-1?
 
No one here has said masks are 100 percent effective. If you weren't so intoxicated all the time maybe you could actually read and process what people are saying. You are why we laugh.
Go F-yourself with the constant drunk crap asshole! You have no educated comebacks so you attack people with false claims. I'm a professional in the beer and wine industry and proud of it! That doesn't make me or anyone in my business an alcoholic or a drunk. Just another mental midget comment from you. You had the same issues when you were formally. Have no idea why you haven't been banned under this screen name. You never bring anything of value. Pay a few dollars and go back to the CE Board clown!
 
Go F-yourself with the constant drunk crap asshole! You have no educated comebacks so you attack people with false claims. I'm a professional in the beer and wine industry and proud of it! That doesn't make me or anyone in my business an alcoholic or a drunk. Just another mental midget comment from you. You had the same issues when you were formally. Have no idea why you haven't been banned under this screen name. You never bring anything of value. Pay a few dollars and go back to the CE Board clown!
More lies and garbage from you. I also have a premium membership which can clearly be seen by looking at my shield. The next time you are right, will be the first time.
 
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More lies and garbage from you. I also have a premium membership which can clearly be seen by looking at my shield. The next time you are right, will be the first time.
Go play on the CE Board. The next time you post something of value or intelligent would be a first. You are a cancer on here!
 
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If ever there's a TKR hall of fame, the "ShortBus" nickname goes in on the very first ballot.
Funny thing is I drove the bus. You and your butt buddy formally were those that always had to ride the short bus as you went to your special schools. Another CE clown who brings nothing to this board.
 
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Funny thing is I drove the bus. You and your butt buddy formally were those that always had to ride the short bus as you went to your special schools. Another CE clown who brings nothing to this board.

Awwww ...did the nice driver let you steer the bus? I bet you're gonna be a race car driver when you grow up, big guy!!👏👏

Good for you!

First ballot, son.
 
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Moderna side effects a tad worse than Pfizer, but just as effective. Almost looks like 1 shot is good enough, I wonder if they’ll ever test that. Shame Bell’s Palsy popped again, this time 3-1.
So, you are coming around that this is worth some level of concern?
"Offit agreed that the condition is worth monitoring as the vaccine rolls out. “I’m not dismissing that yet,” he said in an interview with CNBC."
 
So, you are coming around that this is worth some level of concern?
"Offit agreed that the condition is worth monitoring as the vaccine rolls out. “I’m not dismissing that yet,” he said in an interview with CNBC."
No legit concern. Just minor statistical noise.
 
Awwww ...did the nice driver let you steer the bus? I bet you're gonna be a race car driver when you grow up, big guy!!👏👏

Good for you!

First ballot, son.
I owned the bus, I drove the bus. Shut up and sit down in your seat! Your special ed teacher will come get you off the bus.
 
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No legit concern. Just minor statistical noise.
Seen that minor statistical noise turn into trouble too many times. COX-2 inhibitors say hello. I would never in a million years take one of those, and I will watch these vaccines from the sidelines for a bit. Still waaaaaay too soon to rule any side effect out with such small sample sizes.

 
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So, you are coming around that this is worth some level of concern?
"Offit agreed that the condition is worth monitoring as the vaccine rolls out. “I’m not dismissing that yet,” he said in an interview with CNBC."

Concern is too strong of a word. It’s something worth watching, like the FDA said, but that’s about it.
 
Seen that minor statistical noise turn into trouble too many times. COX-2 inhibitors say hello. I would never in a million years take one of those, and I will watch these vaccines from the sidelines for a bit. Still waaaaaay too soon to rule any side effect out with such small sample sizes.


Are you this concerned with Covid long term effects?
 
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Concern is too strong of a word. It’s something worth watching, like the FDA said, but that’s about it.
I'm not normally the Debbie Downer type, but I'm inherently suspicious of big pharma with data flubs and data massaging. I work in a field where we see battling scientific arguments as to what data does or does not show. Efficacy here undoubtedly is beyond dispute. We agree, side effects are worth watching, as they always are with any new therapy. I am very familiar with the Cox-2 inhibitor saga, and my instincts early on proved correct.
 
Concern is too strong of a word. It’s something worth watching, like the FDA said, but that’s about it.
By the time most of general public will get a chance for the vaccine will be late spring. We don't have to worry about it now. We will see the side effects in full view. The estimated amount of 20 million before the end of this year will not come close. No one in the US will get a complete dose in 2020. It simple started to late.
 
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Are you this concerned with Covid long term effects?
Personally, no. We do an awful lot in our house to ensure we are safe and take major precautions to avoid unnecessary exposure. For others--that's not my concern--everyone should consult their doctors and the literature. There definitely seems to be something with heart and lung problems long term with certain people, and this is not very different from Cox-2 inhibitor side effects that big pharma tried to deny early on. Different set of problems, however, and perhaps that will lead to you asking a Sophie's choice question. That goes back to personal choice of each person weighing the risks of getting vaccinated versus not getting vaccinated. I have a close family member who is in this situation, and he is agonizing over it. I am not offering my opinion on what he should do--I have advised him to consult his doctor and told him we can talk, but he has to make a decision he is comfortable with.
 
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By the time most of general public will get a chance for the vaccine will be late spring. We don't have to worry about it now. We will see the side effects in full view. The estimated amount of 20 million before the end of this year will not come close. No one in the US will get a complete dose in 2020. It simple started to late.
Exactly--that is a sample size that will tell us a lot.
 
By the time most of general public will get a chance for the vaccine will be late spring. We don't have to worry about it now. We will see the side effects in full view. The estimated amount of 20 million before the end of this year will not come close. No one in the US will get a complete dose in 2020. It simple started to late.

I don’t think anyone said that 20mil people will receive both shots by year end. 20mil getting the first shot, probably won’t be too far off.

And yea, sample size will be plenty by the time it’s our turn, although we might get different vaccines either from AZ or JNJ
 
I don’t think anyone said that 20mil people will receive both shots by year end. 20mil getting the first shot, probably won’t be too far off.

And yea, sample size will be plenty by the time it’s our turn, although we might get different vaccines either from AZ or JNJ
AZ getting approved is huge.
However the UK estimate of their number getting first round is falling way short. They haven't come close to the the 4-5k projection a day isn't happening. It's easy to talk about big numbers but execution is harder then people wish it was. At some point it will get better, a lot better but we aren't there yet. Would love John Hopkins to track that. They have done the best job in reporting data and a very trusted site.
 
Stupid question.... but if you've had Covid should you still get the vaccine?
 
I personally would not get the vaccine if I already got Covid, at least within the same year. Very very low chance you get it again.
Unless your are a front line worker. You would need the vaccine by late spring anyway so just get it!
 
I personally would not get the vaccine if I already got Covid, at least within the same year. Very very low chance you get it again.
I’m very surprised by your answer. Is this due to minor concerns you have about the vaccine?
 
I’m very surprised by your answer. Is this due to minor concerns you have about the vaccine?

No concerns. Just wouldn’t take someone’s place in line who really needs the vaccine when I’m already protected.
 
what is stunning is the narrative that they are now pushing saying well even if you have the vaccine, you shouldnt travel, you need to wear masks, we dont know if you can infect people with the virus. YOU CANNOT GO BACK TO NORMAL EVEN WITH THE VACCINE UNTIL WE ARBITRAIRLY DECIDE TO TELL YOU WHEN...its utter nonsense
 
If and when the vaccine is available to anyone who wants it next year, that's it. No one should have to wear a mask or any of these precautions. If I got the vaccine and someone refuses to do so, even though it is available to them for free, well best of luck. Not my job to worry about that person and frankly I don't care what happens to them.
 
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