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OT: COVID Science - Pfizer/Moderna vaccines >90% effective; Regeneron antibody cocktail looks very promising in phase II/III trial and more

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Very common, as nobody wants to ship (and possibly freeze/thaw) 100X the volume needed to ship, so they make the vaccine 100X or more concentrated and dilute it up to the appropriate volume with sterile water or saline and then use that for a set number of injections. Most vaccines are manufactured very concentrated and require dilution and many/most are at least refrigerated with some frozen; Pfizer's -70C/-94F frozen is unusual.
Thanks, logistically it makes a ton of sense for shipping and what not for sure.
I didn’t realize the mixing and dilution was so common but the wife reassured me that’s why they went to school and have careers at the hospital and all. Cool stuff. Saw one of these super cold freezers on tv at a hospital in NYC. Never realized that level of temperature was even possible. But hospitals have them and more have acquired them. Wild.
I saw on CNBC a few other details as far as the rollout with UPS and FedEx how the cargo will be given absolute priority even in conjunction with the FAA. Shipments will have cameras and GPS tracking in each piece of cargo it sounded like. Planes will be given priority at the airports. I know this will be a long haul still but still promises to be something to see. I saw someone from FedEx, i believe the CEO, simply say like “imagine two fierce rivals like us working together to try to help get this done”. It’s really an impressive effort of science, business, and of course politics but I feel like finally we are on the precipice of new hope for so many.
 
Yeah I’m banking on people who have already been infected not being in any rush to get the vaccine. I don’t really need the vaccine because I’m young and healthy, I just don’t want to have to think about it or worry about infecting other people.
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After the truly at risk people get an opportunity to be vaccinated first (nursing home patients, HCPs, first responders, etc.), it should be first come first serve. Just get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible. Also, you will see the Pfizer vaccine used in more suburban and affluent areas and Moderna used in more urban and rural areas (based on storage and supply chain needs).
 
T - I'll cut you a break, since you've been on very good behavior in this thread, which I appreciate, but you have to admit this kind of hurts your take on Sanofi. I take no pleasure in this, though, since we need all the successful vaccines we can get, especially with AZ/Oxford not being as good as the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines, although I still see it being approved, since nobody who got the vaccine in that trial got seriously ill, which is the most important thing. Great to see the Pfizer/BioNTech EUA approved today, too, which we all knew was going to happen.

Speaking of other vaccines, another timely blog entry today from Derek Lowe, looking at several other vaccines. He's similarly a bit skittish on J&J, since they're using a similar adenovirus vector vaccine as AZ/Oxford (except it's a human one vs. a chimp adenovirus), which might have similar shortcomings - we'll see. Also, given Sanofi's problems with not sparking a sufficient immune response in phase I in people over 50 causing them to have to retool their formulation/adjuvant for their protein delivery system, he's concerned with Novavax possibly having challenges, as their vaccine is similar, although they did not have the same problems in phase I (but who knows about with preventing infection). He also mentions Sinopharm (the Chinese deactivated coronavirus-based vaccine - old school), which had a report from the UAE of 86% efficacy, but no real data behind it. And we still haven't heard much from the Russians. More to come soon hopefully.

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeli...1/a-wider-variety-of-vaccine-platforms-report
I believe it was GSK (Sanofi's partner) that screwed up the first formulation, which is the company you claimed to be the best, right? 😁

J&J's P1 looked fine, so I don't understand the concern. AZ's vaccine seems good at the right dosing, but they messed up the trial a bit (i.e., not an issue with the vaccine itself). It would be great to get a 3rd vaccine approved soon, but the US adult pop can be covered by Pfizer and Moderna by the middle of 2021.
 
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Anyone that wants a vaccine will be able to get one by May/June. This will probably happen even earlier (based on cases and nutty folks refusing the vaccine). Younger not at risk people will start getting shots by end of March'ish. Look for a new Pfizer announcement of additional doses becoming available in late Q1, it's already in the works. Moderna just doubled their order going to the US.

Full baseball stadiums by 4th of July? Probably.

Life is Good. Enjoy the great news tonight! 😁
I have said all along that this will somehow become a boondoggle of delays, vaccine shortages, misguided distribution and wait until those that really need it or want to take the vaccine are pushed to the back of the line. It will once again become a political issue by say March-April 2021 and if you don’t think it possible... check the stimulus delays from both sides of the DC aisle. Hope for the best but expecting the worse .
 
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What would be the issue with other Pharma companies manufacturing / producing the 2 vaccines that have proven to work or protect against Covid19 in order to inoculate the world ‘s population? They could continue to do research on their own vaccine study and perhaps eventually produce a better one. Or is that not realistic?
 
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Sucks nobody in here will be able to get the Pfizer vaccine anytime soon. That’s the one I’ve wanted all along.

I have a gut feeling JNJ ain’t gonna make the cut and our only hope getting vaccinated before summer is Moderna (which is not a bad choice).

Hope JNJ surprises, but think they are reaching a bit with only 1 shot.
I probably can, but I probably will not.
 
Perfect response from an idiot who can refute the statement so just goes into attack mode, name calling. Thanks for proving my point.
that is literally your MO. You attack everyone constantly on this board, it is what you are known for. LMAO
 
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Do we still look to Germany as the gold standard?
Can they blame the Orange man for this?
No, it's Taiwan and Slovakia.

"Despite the country's much-vaunted health system and success in containing the virus earlier in the pandemic, its recent partial lockdown has failed to stop the second-wave surge.
"Germany clearly is very worried and you can see their numbers are absolutely going in the wrong direction," Linda Bauld, professor of public health at the University of Edinburgh, told CNN."

Europe is a mess:

 
I'd wish the media would take a page from Winston Churchill and stop calling the first vaccines shots the beginning of the end. It's just the end of the beginning. We have a long way to go.
 
How can any American actually “like” this post??

Any American that has witnessed other countries pursue more effective policies than we have, with better outcomes, and would like to see our country do at least as well (hopefully better) than those countries would patriotically call such a fact out rather than naively ignore said uncomfortable fact.
 
Any American that has witnessed other countries pursue more effective policies than we have, with better outcomes, and would like to see our country do at least as well (hopefully better) than those countries would patriotically call such a fact out rather than naively ignore said uncomfortable fact.
So, so true.
 
Is it? How many more will die before we reach herd immunity? If it was the beginning of the end deaths won't double in 6 months. And it will.
Deaths will absolutely not double in 6 months. We'll certainly get to about 400-425K by the end of January, but they'll be declining by then with 30-50MM vaccinated by then, including many of the most vulnerable and most likely to spread the virus (i.e., workers who get exposed a lot). Beyond the end of January, I would think we'll be down to 1000 deaths per day or less and they'll keep dropping as more get vaccinated, so I doubt we'll ever reach 500K vs. 300K now, so no doubling.
 
A much more in-depth paper came out today on the Astra-Zeneca/Oxford adenovrius vector vaccine and results are still decidedly mixed, as per the quoted posts above (first link). Derek Lowe also blogged on these results (2nd link). It's kind of hard to know what the true efficacy will be with about 62% efficacy for two standard doses, but up to 90% efficacy for a half dose followed by a full dose (which could be real, given the body's immune response to the adenovirus carrier of the spike protein sequences). It's possible we'll just need more data on the half/full dose combo. Side effects were generally not an issue, apart from the case of trnasverse myelitis (spinal inflammation).

On the plus side, none of the infected patients who received any of the vaccine dose combos developed a serious case of COVID, while 10 placebo patients were hospitalized with one dying, and, after all, keeping people from getting seriously ill and/or dying is paramount here. However, India has already declined to grant them an emergency use authorization, which I think might be short-sighted. Given that Warp Speed contracted for more of this vaccine than any other one for the US market, we're likely going to see it get approved here and my guess is there will be people who feel they're getting an inferior vaccine vs. the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines. This is complex, tricky stuff.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32661-1/fulltext

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeli.../the-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-efficacy-data

Been a little preoccupied with the snow and work, but thought this was pretty interesting. The Gamaleya adenovirus vector vaccine, similar to the Astra Zeneca/Oxford vaccine, but using two different adenoviruses to avoid the immune response to the first shot affecting the second, has shown 91.4% efficacy in a 21K person trial in Russia.

I think we need to wait for published data before celebrating this, but if confirmed (they said they're publishing a paper shortly), this would be quite a coup, especially doing better than AZ, which is only 70% overall - and probably suffers from using the same adenovirus in both shots, leading to possible immune response issues as the immune system develops to possibly "attack" the vector virus being injected in the 2nd shot. They've already vaccinated several hundred thousand in Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/article/hea...ovid-19-vaccine-data-developers-idUSKBN28O1XQ
 
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So masks don't work and vaccines aren't the start of the end, and all restrictions are dumb?
Listen dumbass. You keep repeating that I have said or believe that masks don't work. That is 1000% incorrect. In fact I most likely wear a mask as much as anyone on here.
I'll type this really slow so maybe you can understand my point on masks. Masks aren't 100% effective. They aren't as effective as many say they are. If they were we wouldn't be seeing the biggest spike for the US right now. I've said from the start the wearing masks gives people a false sense of security and relax the use of social distancing. All of this is fact.
My take on restrictions was that some were really were dumb. Like golf courses closed.
Meanwhile formally you just troll the board, bring nothing to the table and have your head up your ass about what really goes on in the real world.
 
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Moderna ready to roll!!! And with a much easier supply chain.


U.S. officials said Monday they plan to ship just under 6 million doses of Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine once the Food and Drug Administration issues an approval for emergency use, which could come as early as Friday.

Medical supply company McKesson will obtain the doses from Moderna for packaging and distribution to 3,285 sites across the country, Gen. Gustave Perna, who oversees logistics for President Donald Trump’s vaccine program Operation Warp Speed, told reporters. FedEx and UPS will be responsible for sending the doses to their final locations, he added. Moderna’s vaccine requires two doses four weeks apart.

“The difference in quantities was about what was available when we were doing planning for initial delivery,” Perna said during a press briefing. “As early as 15th [of] November, I snapped the chalk line on what was available to Pfizer so states could do the planning. ... We wanted them to have enough time as possible to do the planning and realize where they wanted to go first.”

The briefing Monday comes as Americans began receiving some of the first shots of Pfizer’s vaccine. New York’s Northwell Health administered the state’s first vaccine doses just before 9:30 a.m. ET. Sandra Lindsay, a critical care nurse at Long Island Jewish Medical Center, received the first shot, prompting applause from onlookers.

Many states are already working with CVS Health, Walgreens and other local pharmacies to help them expand the availability of vaccines to rural areas and other places, Perna said, adding that the states are overseeing where the doses go.

Initial doses of Pfizer’s vaccine will be limited as manufacturing ramps up, with officials predicting it will take months to immunize everyone in the U.S. who wants to be vaccinated. The vaccine is expected to be distributed in phases, with the most critical U.S. workers and vulnerable people getting it first. The CDC has provided states with an outline that recommends prioritizing health-care workers and nursing homes first, but states can distribute the vaccine as they see fit.

Moderna’s vaccine could be authorized for emergency use as early as Friday. The FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee is scheduled to review Moderna’s vaccine on Thursday. The advisory group recommended Pfizer’s vaccine for emergency use last Thursday, and the FDA approved it for emergency use the next day.

Dr. Moncef Slaoui, who is leading Operation Warp Speed, said Monday that U.S. officials expect 20 million Americans to get their first shot of Moderna’s or Pfizer’s vaccine this month. He added that 100 million “vaccine shots in arms” — between the first dose and booster shots — will be administered by the end of February. Some 100 million Americans could be fully vaccinated by the end of March, about a third of the U.S. population, he said.

As with Pfizer’s vaccine, the U.S. will set aside additional doses of Moderna’s vaccine so patients can get their second doses as well as put some in a reserve as a precaution, Perna said. He didn’t disclose how much of Moderna’s vaccine would be put in the reserve, but the U.S. set aside 500,000 doses from Pfizer.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said the U.S. has to hold back doses to make sure people can get their second dose when the time comes.

Slaoui told reporters last week that the government might be willing to push more Covid vaccine to the public without holding second doses “by the middle of the month of January or early February, when we’ve had five, six weeks of rolling, high-cadence manufacturing, and that we see that things are rolling perfectly.”

“This is about making sure we’re prepared to mitigate situations,” Perna said Wednesday. “As our process matures, both in manufacturing and in distribution, as I said before, the safety stock will go down significantly. Our goal, the guidance I’ve been giving, is vaccine sitting on a shelf is not effective. We have two vaccines that are highly effective, and we want to get it to the American people.”
 
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Moderna ready to roll!!! And with a much easier supply chain.


U.S. officials said Monday they plan to ship just under 6 million doses of Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine once the Food and Drug Administration issues an approval for emergency use, which could come as early as Friday.

Medical supply company McKesson will obtain the doses from Moderna for packaging and distribution to 3,285 sites across the country, Gen. Gustave Perna, who oversees logistics for President Donald Trump’s vaccine program Operation Warp Speed, told reporters. FedEx and UPS will be responsible for sending the doses to their final locations, he added. Moderna’s vaccine requires two doses four weeks apart.

“The difference in quantities was about what was available when we were doing planning for initial delivery,” Perna said during a press briefing. “As early as 15th [of] November, I snapped the chalk line on what was available to Pfizer so states could do the planning. ... We wanted them to have enough time as possible to do the planning and realize where they wanted to go first.”

The briefing Monday comes as Americans began receiving some of the first shots of Pfizer’s vaccine. New York’s Northwell Health administered the state’s first vaccine doses just before 9:30 a.m. ET. Sandra Lindsay, a critical care nurse at Long Island Jewish Medical Center, received the first shot, prompting applause from onlookers.

Many states are already working with CVS Health, Walgreens and other local pharmacies to help them expand the availability of vaccines to rural areas and other places, Perna said, adding that the states are overseeing where the doses go.

Initial doses of Pfizer’s vaccine will be limited as manufacturing ramps up, with officials predicting it will take months to immunize everyone in the U.S. who wants to be vaccinated. The vaccine is expected to be distributed in phases, with the most critical U.S. workers and vulnerable people getting it first. The CDC has provided states with an outline that recommends prioritizing health-care workers and nursing homes first, but states can distribute the vaccine as they see fit.

Moderna’s vaccine could be authorized for emergency use as early as Friday. The FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee is scheduled to review Moderna’s vaccine on Thursday. The advisory group recommended Pfizer’s vaccine for emergency use last Thursday, and the FDA approved it for emergency use the next day.

Dr. Moncef Slaoui, who is leading Operation Warp Speed, said Monday that U.S. officials expect 20 million Americans to get their first shot of Moderna’s or Pfizer’s vaccine this month. He added that 100 million “vaccine shots in arms” — between the first dose and booster shots — will be administered by the end of February. Some 100 million Americans could be fully vaccinated by the end of March, about a third of the U.S. population, he said.

As with Pfizer’s vaccine, the U.S. will set aside additional doses of Moderna’s vaccine so patients can get their second doses as well as put some in a reserve as a precaution, Perna said. He didn’t disclose how much of Moderna’s vaccine would be put in the reserve, but the U.S. set aside 500,000 doses from Pfizer.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said the U.S. has to hold back doses to make sure people can get their second dose when the time comes.

Slaoui told reporters last week that the government might be willing to push more Covid vaccine to the public without holding second doses “by the middle of the month of January or early February, when we’ve had five, six weeks of rolling, high-cadence manufacturing, and that we see that things are rolling perfectly.”

“This is about making sure we’re prepared to mitigate situations,” Perna said Wednesday. “As our process matures, both in manufacturing and in distribution, as I said before, the safety stock will go down significantly. Our goal, the guidance I’ve been giving, is vaccine sitting on a shelf is not effective. We have two vaccines that are highly effective, and we want to get it to the American people.”
Warp speed is a raging success. Guess it's safe for the talking heads to praise the plan now. They panned it in May and said that having a vaccine by the end of the year was unlikely.

Gen. Perna grew up in Morris Hills.

 
How can any American actually “like” this post??
Countries like Germany; S Korea and Russia have very little personal freedoms and do as they are told. This is serving them well in the global pandemic but doesn’t work so well when a maniacal dictator takes over the country.

Project Warp speed is showing what our military can do while protecting us and allowing us our freedoms.

The top 10 poorest cities in the US have all been controlled by one party. That party did everything they could to destroy our President and nothing to help during this pandemic. That party has a lot of good people voting for them and many core values I agree with but the leaders are a major detriment to this country as are the biased media and the Uber wealthy people who control them.

Everyone saw the rousing ovation at the Army Navy game. Everyone sees the success of Warp Speed. But our media ignores it and the sheep keep following.
 
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Warp speed is a raging success. Guess it's safe for the talking heads to praise the plan now. They panned it in May and said that having a vaccine by the end of the year was unlikely.

Gen. Perna grew up in Morris Hills.

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400 million doses from Pfizer and Moderna thru Q2. Anyone that wants a vaccine should be able to get it by end of March/early April. Throw a successful J&J on this pile and we will have packed baseball stadiums by 4th of July.
 
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