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Was debating the effectiveness of masks with someone recently, he was working the same logic as you, if masks work, then why are cases up?

Then, and this is a true story, he, with a pretty solid cough going, has christmas at his house, multiple family circles invited.

So why are cases going up? Cause people are morons.


Odd post..does he have coronavirus
 
There's been a number of studies that have shown a strong correlation between vitamin D levels and covid disease severity. I don't have links handy but anyone can find them pretty easily. People with lower vitamin D levels tended to have more severe cases of covid.

I think one of the studies showed a significant breakpoint around 20 (ng/mL I think), with people under 20 ng/mL having much worse outcomes. Another suggested levels of 30 or maybe 40 appeared to decrease covid risk. No one seems to really know what the "Ideal" blood level is. I believe when you get blood tests done they list anything under 20 as deficient but most doctors consider that to be too low. I had one doctor (a rheumatologist) who believed levels should be around 60.

One thing worth noting, I've read that it can be difficult to raise blood levels for some people unless they take fairly large doses. Dr John Campbell from England has produced several videos on vitamin D and covid that might be worth watching. I know in my case my vitamin D level was around 40 in June. Then after taking 1000 units/day through the summer and fall I had it tested again in October and it came back as 28. Maybe one of those values was an error as it's hard for me to believe my level dropped that much after taking supplements and being out in the sun all summer.
 
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I believe low vitamin D is tied to obesity so that probably figures into the poor results of low D with Covid also
 
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Was debating the effectiveness of masks with someone recently, he was working the same logic as you, if masks work, then why are cases up?

Then, and this is a true story, he, with a pretty solid cough going, has christmas at his house, multiple family circles invited.

So why are cases going up? Cause people are morons.

Yes because if you cough, you must have COVID. Couldn't possibly be anything else.

Cases are going up because it's a virus and it's going to do it's thing. Just like every other virus in the history of earth.

Keep driving solo while wearing a mask if it makes you feel better but unless it's an N95 they're basically useless.
 
I don’t get the “if face masks worked, why are cases going up” logic.

Nobody said face masks are 100% effective. There are also so many other variables at play. Speaking in absolutes with something so complex is crazy.

That’s like saying seatbelts don’t work because people still get injured in car accidents.

Also, about breath in cold air, I saw this video the other week. Not sure if this is even a good or relevant experiment, but it does illustrate how your breath is muted.


Exhibit A below. He implies that you're anti-science for thinking masks don't work. Masks are being pushed so politicians can feel better about themselves. You seriously think your cloth mask protects you from anything? Seriously?

Then if you disagree with the mask logic, out comes the "it's science" talking point from the parrots who lack critical thinking skills.

Now we have politicians telling people you'll still need a mask after the vaccine and I would bet money there are people ITT who will nod their head in approval and mindlessly follow that.

That's the "anti-science" way - repeat something that is demonstrably false enough and some will believe it. It's beyond sad that 30-40% of the US think that masks don't work and maybe 20% think that COVID is somewhere between a hoax and a greatly exaggerated media creation. This kind of thinking has led to far more cases and deaths (and serious illnesses) than would have occurred before social media.
 
Exhibit A below. He implies that you're anti-science for thinking masks don't work. Masks are being pushed so politicians can feel better about themselves. You seriously think your cloth mask protects you from anything? Seriously?

Then if you disagree with the mask logic, out comes the "it's science" talking point from the parrots who lack critical thinking skills.

Now we have politicians telling people you'll still need a mask after the vaccine and I would bet money there are people ITT who will nod their head in approval and mindlessly follow that.


well said, I wear a mask wherever required but the political and especially the moralistic fingering wagging about masks is absolute lunacy. That aint science trying to shame and divide people. Masks and lockdowns didnt do shit in California...period
 
Geez bac you sound like the other crazy , insane guy who does all the correct recommended things by the CDC... remember ... “ they are following the science .”
 
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Exhibit A below. He implies that you're anti-science for thinking masks don't work. Masks are being pushed so politicians can feel better about themselves. You seriously think your cloth mask protects you from anything? Seriously?

Then if you disagree with the mask logic, out comes the "it's science" talking point from the parrots who lack critical thinking skills.

Now we have politicians telling people you'll still need a mask after the vaccine and I would bet money there are people ITT who will nod their head in approval and mindlessly follow that.

Proof that politicians are recommending masks to make themselves feel better?

Most cloth masks reduce or stop droplets from spreading. There are many studies that visualize this. The fact is, you have manage to the lowest common denominator, and there are many people out and about with Covid. Masks help those people from coughing up a lung in public settings.
 
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I don’t get the “if face masks worked, why are cases going up” logic.

Nobody said face masks are 100% effective. There are also so many other variables at play. Speaking in absolutes with something so complex is crazy.

That’s like saying seatbelts don’t work because people still get injured in car accidents.

Also, about breath in cold air, I saw this video the other week. Not sure if this is even a good or relevant experiment, but it does illustrate how your breath is muted.


It’s sad that people simply don’t understand that wearing masks while around others and adhering to other public health measures is the best way to mitigate (not eliminate) the spread of the virus. Recent spikes in cases have been expected by public health experts for months because they anticipated an increase in indoor social gatherings during the colder months. Contact tracing data supports that the majority of the spread comes from indoor gatherings where people don’t wear masks. In NY State, for example, about 3/4 of all recent cases can be traced to such events.

Generally, I don’t care about irrational people’s behavior so long as it has limited impact on other people’s lives. However, the illogical crew rejecting public health measures most definitely impact other people, and they should be reminded that they are the vast majority of the problem, Most will ignore and continue to dig up irrelevant or information of dubious quality to justify actions they want to pursue. Some, however, will realize that their actions are really making this pandemic worse than it needs to be and change their behavior. It’s for those few that continued reminder is worthwhile.
 
I don’t get the “if face masks worked, why are cases going up” logic.

Nobody said face masks are 100% effective. There are also so many other variables at play. Speaking in absolutes with something so complex is crazy.

That’s like saying seatbelts don’t work because people still get injured in car accidents.

Also, about breath in cold air, I saw this video the other week. Not sure if this is even a good or relevant experiment, but it does illustrate how your breath is muted.


Yes they said if we wore masks in 6 weeks we would have it under control...well..we have been

Redfeld said masks are better than vaccines..the same guy in March saying masks weren't recommended
 
Yes they said if we wore masks in 6 weeks we would have it under control...well..we have been

Redfeld said masks are better than vaccines..the same guy in March saying masks weren't recommended

And during the summer months when people weren’t gathering indoors, it was brought down. Unfortunately, it didn’t get as low as it should have because of lackluster adherence to public health measures. Redfield s comments were made prior to knowledge of efficacy rates. Again, you’ve been told this and choose to cover your ears and ignore because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

You keep repeating falsehoods that have been debunked over and over. See your moronic insistence that Fauci said not to wear masks when the very video you posted says otherwise. Once your latest is debunked, you fail to acknowledge your error, and there are countless you should atone for. You simply seek another falsehood that finally “proves” what you want to believe. It’s why you’re just not taken seriously by anyone but the conspiracy fools.
 
Yes they said if we wore masks in 6 weeks we would have it under control...well..we have been

Have we been? Mask compliance is very low around friends and family, and that’s where the breakdown occurs. On the flip side, we’re not seeing much viral spread where masks are strictly enforced in public places (malls, gyms, airplanes, etc)
 
And during the summer months when people weren’t gathering indoors, it was brought down. Unfortunately, it didn’t get as low as it should have because of lackluster adherence to public health measures. Redfield s comments were made prior to knowledge of efficacy rates. Again, you’ve been told this and choose to cover your ears and ignore because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

You keep repeating falsehoods that have been debunked over and over. See your moronic insistence that Fauci said not to wear masks when the very video you posted says otherwise. Once your latest is debunked, you fail to acknowledge your error, and there are countless you should atone for. You simply seek another falsehood that finally “proves” what you want to believe. It’s why you’re just not taken seriously by anyone but the conspiracy fools.

Everyone wears masks in public in NJ..thanks
 
Have we been? Mask compliance is very low around friends and family, and that’s where the breakdown occurs. On the flip side, we’re not seeing much viral spread where masks are strictly enforced in public places (malls, gyms, airplanes, etc)

Where are they getting it...you keep repeating the same lines
 
Everyone wears masks in public in NJ..thanks
I am trying to figure out who these people are that are illogically not following recommended guidelines ...I ‘m certain most people on this board adhere to mask wearing , distancing when necessary and washing their hands ...I want the names of those who aren’t doing the protocols...
 
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Proof that politicians are recommending masks to make themselves feel better?

Most cloth masks reduce or stop droplets from spreading. There are many studies that visualize this. The fact is, you have manage to the lowest common denominator, and there are many people out and about with Covid. Masks help those people from coughing up a lung in public settings.

A cloth mask is not doing anything. I will repeat it everytime if I have to
 
A cloth mask is not doing anything. I will repeat it everytime if I have to

I have yet to be hit by any spit particles when talking to people with masks on. Hmmm, I wonder why.


 
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No a person with an agenda comes away saying that.

A normal person thinks when he says "masks are important" and (paraphrasing) "we need to save the masks for the health workers" that he means those things.

Lol go back to March

Everyone said dont wear masks until they didnt
 
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Yes because if you cough, you must have COVID. Couldn't possibly be anything else.

Cases are going up because it's a virus and it's going to do it's thing. Just like every other virus in the history of earth.

Keep driving solo while wearing a mask if it makes you feel better but unless it's an N95 they're basically useless.
It could be something else, or it could be covid.

It is interesting how the virus does it's thing in some countries while not doing it's thing in others.
 
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Where are they getting it from..where.they have to ORIGINALLY be getting it from somewhere

People who have COVID attend an event, indoors, with other people and do not wear a mask or social distance, the infected people likely have no idea they are infected, but there are some who deny their symptoms are to be taken seriously.

This isn’t hard.

To recap, a list of items you espouse but have been debunked (only in the last page or so of this thread):

Fauci said don’t wear masks, debunked.
Redfiend said masks are better than vaccines. explained, and debunked your point.
The increase in N.J. proves mask compliance doesn’t work. Debunked.
The measures taken in California prove mask compliance is ineffective. Debunked.

Im sure you’ll pull out some other item that is your new smoking gun, but most assuredly it too will be debunked. Almost as certain as you’ll never admit you’re wrong and your pitifully desperate motivation to deny.

The point is to show that the conspiracy theory, denier approach seen in many other areas is precisely what underpins your views on COVID. None of your points are valid, and when shown they are invalid, you only look for other points from your twitter searches that have just yet to be debunked. People reading this thread should be aware of your posting pattern.
 
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