In the video you posted, tell us all the very first thing Fauci said.
OT: COVID Science - Pfizer/Moderna vaccines >90% effective; Regeneron antibody cocktail looks very promising in phase II/III trial and more
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If @Knight Shift wants to wait before he takes the vacinne that is fine, as there are not nearly enough doses for everyone right now anyways.
Im going to take that other poster’s advice and not respond to you. Waste of time.
Knight Shift should take a large dose of keeping his diagnosing people to himself... a guy who I’m sure as a child was the class tattle tale... Guaranteed..
That's the "anti-science" way - repeat something that is demonstrably false enough and some will believe it. It's beyond sad that 30-40% of the US think that masks don't work and maybe 20% think that COVID is somewhere between a hoax and a greatly exaggerated media creation. This kind of thinking has led to far more cases and deaths (and serious illnesses) than would have occurred before social media.
Can you show me some charts with around the same timeframe? I would be interested in seeing them.
Hey genius, if the EpiPen "worked", do you think he would have been "taken on a stretcher to the emergency room, where he was given several medications, including steroids and Benadryl, to calm the immune reactions that had overtaken his body." If it "worked," he would have needed no further treatment. It's not about winning an argument. It's common sense. Have a nice night.
Hey genius, do you think the purpose of using an Epipen is to eliminate all need for medical attention, and that a hospital would just let him leave after using it?
“Seek emergency medical attention even after you use EpiPen to treat a severe allergic reaction. The effects may wear off after 10 or 20 minutes. You will need to receive further treatment and observation.”
EpiPen: Instructions, Side Effects & Warnings - Drugs.com
EpiPen Auto Injectors are used to treat severe allergic reactions to insect stings, bites and foods. Includes how to use, side effects, warnings and more.
www.drugs.com
“A trip to the emergency room (ER) is still required, no matter how well you feel after your anaphylactic reaction.”
Why Anaphylaxis Requires a Trip to the Emergency Room
Learn why it’s crucial to visit the ER after an anaphylactic reaction, even if you’ve treated the reaction with emergency epinephrine.
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“If you’re aware of the recommended procedures for handling a severe allergic reaction to food, you know that you should use an epinephrine auto-injector like EpiPen and then seek emergency medical help, generally by visiting the emergency room of a local hospital.”
Why Do You Have to Go to the ER After Using Epinephrine? — My Kids Food Allergies
If you’re aware of the recommended procedures for handling a severe allergic reaction to food, you know that you should use an epinephrine auto-injector like EpiPen and then seek emergency medical help, generally by visiting the emergency room of a local hospital. But you might wonder why you woul
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Looks like it did “work” as intended. Also looks like common sense isn’t that common. Have a nice night.
Remember the Kansas mask study they touted...well just after it ended the cases in mask mandate counties soared in number past the non mask mandate counties
Nice try at putting words in my mouth, pal. Who ever said it eliminates the "need for medical attention?" Not me. But did you see the part where he was administered steroids and Benadryl? Nothing is required if the patient declines further treatment. He is a doctor and could have done so. Medical devices and pharmaceuticals contain warnings to cover the company for liability. I'm done with you and your buddy.Hey genius, do you think the purpose of using an Epipen is to eliminate all need for medical attention, and that a hospital would just let him leave after using it?
“Seek emergency medical attention even after you use EpiPen to treat a severe allergic reaction. The effects may wear off after 10 or 20 minutes. You will need to receive further treatment and observation.”
EpiPen: Instructions, Side Effects & Warnings - Drugs.com
EpiPen Auto Injectors are used to treat severe allergic reactions to insect stings, bites and foods. Includes how to use, side effects, warnings and more.
“A trip to the emergency room (ER) is still required, no matter how well you feel after your anaphylactic reaction.”
Why Anaphylaxis Requires a Trip to the Emergency Room
Learn why it’s crucial to visit the ER after an anaphylactic reaction, even if you’ve treated the reaction with emergency epinephrine.
“If you’re aware of the recommended procedures for handling a severe allergic reaction to food, you know that you should use an epinephrine auto-injector like EpiPen and then seek emergency medical help, generally by visiting the emergency room of a local hospital.”
Why Do You Have to Go to the ER After Using Epinephrine? — My Kids Food Allergies
If you’re aware of the recommended procedures for handling a severe allergic reaction to food, you know that you should use an epinephrine auto-injector like EpiPen and then seek emergency medical help, generally by visiting the emergency room of a local hospital. But you might wonder why you woul
Looks like it did “work” as intended. Also looks like common sense isn’t that common. Have a nice night.
Didn’t put any words in your mouth. Didn’t need to. You were wrong and just can’t admit it. That’s fine though, hopefully you and others learned something.
No hospital will just let you leave if you had an anaphylactic episode after they gave you a vaccine on their property. No hospital will let you just walk around on your own when being moved around in the ED after having an anaphylactic episode. No hospital will hesitate to give Benadryl and other harmless, simple treatments after having an anaphylactic episode.
If you have severe allergies, take proper precautions before receiving the vaccine. If you don’t, concerns about anaphylaxis shouldn’t stop you from getting the vaccine.
Well just 2 weeks ago you said you probably can get the Pfizer vaccine, but you probably won't. You had no context about it being an mRNA thing, so that's why I and probably others think that you are at least leaning anti-vaccine. You're entitled to lean that way, but I'm entitled to question you on it - and try to convince you and anyone who reads this board that the vaccines are very safe and extraordinarily effective - far better than most of us dared to hope.
Personally, my strong opinion is that anyone over 25 and especially in our age group who can get the vaccine and doesn't is simply not thinking this through well enough. Being vaccinated and likely having a much lower probability of being infected/infectious (the Moderna data suggest that is a much lower risk to both the people you work with and for yourself and your family/friends.
And I say these things because while I don't "know" everyone here, personally, we're all part of the Rutgers Family and I simply want to see everyone make it through this pandemic and the best way to do that, hands-down, is to get vaccinated. And we've actually met and shared a beer or two and a few laughs and I want to see you at a future tailgate.
Question for RU#'s or anyone else who thinks that they may know the answer. I see where the US recently reached a new commitment with Pfizer for another 100 mil vaccine doses no later than July. At the same time, Fauci said that anyone in the US who wants the vaccine should be able to get vaccinated no later than June. I'm having trouble reconciling the two. I don't think that the US has committed to more than 100 mil Moderna doses at this point, and the J&J and AZ vaccines have yet to be approved. Not sure how Fauci can be so sure of the June date ... thoughts anyone?
#s will probably have a better answer but my understanding is:
330 million people times 70% target of willing people is 230 million vaccines needed (460 million doses if just Pfizer and Moderna)
US has ordered 200 million doses of both Pfizer and Moderna slated to arrive by July (400 million doses total, good for 200 million people)
They’re probably assuming they can make up the additional 30 million people worth of vaccines through a combo of ordering more Pfizer/Moderna and/or J&J/AZ getting approved (seems pretty likely at least 1 will be)
A potentially bigger concern is finding enough providers to give the shots, especially with the 15 minute waiting period after receiving it
You continue to post misleading and false information from the morons on Twitter. You've learned well from your leader. Congrats.
Thanks GORU. One suggested modification to your calc above would be to eliminate those under 18 for now, as I think that Fauci's representation was mostly targeted to adults. Thus, the 330 and 230 mil will reduce to around 255 and 180 mil. The problem though is that I see July arrival of the vaccine meaning that it won't be until the end of August that the 2 doses of the vaccination will actually take place. Thus, I think that there must be some reliance on the J&J and AZ vaccines by Fauci.
Right, you take out people under 18yrs and there’s only something like 260mil people left. Add in the people who are in no rush because they have natural immunity, young people who don’t feel the need, and antivaxxers......you’re probably close to 260mil. J&J or AZ will get us to 260mil, but I personally think there is not much more than 200mil willing, eligible people.
Good answer. One more factor is that only people over 16 are eligible to be vaccinated, which is about 260MM people in the US, so 70% of them is 182MM, meaning meaning doses for 200MM would actually cover 77% of eligible adults. And furthermore, since most vials contain at least 20% more doses than the minimum number guaranteed, that means that those 400MM doses are likely really 480MM doses for 240MM people, which is 92% of adults in the US. Plus you're correct that we're also likely to have 100-200MM more doses from J&J/AZ. All of these reasons is why I'm confident we're actually going to have vaccines for anyone who wants them by late April/early May, rather than the end of June. Call me an optimist.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...ase-ii-iii-trial-and-more.203426/post-4842610
The modification is for people over 16 and it makes quite a difference, as per my post above. The 2Q21 Pfizer and Moderna promised doses of 100MM each doesn't mean they all arrive at the end of June. It means they arrive in large batches every few weeks throughout 2Q21. And yes, I'm sure Fauci is also factoring in approval of other vaccines, which should be able to deliver more doses.
Thanks RU#'s. It looks like we both reached a similar count of around 180 mil needed to cover 70% of the US adult population, even if the details were a bit different. Reading the recent news release concerning the Pfizer vaccine, Pfizer has guaranteed 70 mil doses by June 30 and an additional 30 mil by July 31. I hope that you are right about being more optimistic than that. I have no doubt that Pfizer and its manufacturing partners will be working hard to produce vaccine throughout Q1 and Q2 2021, but my impression is that they also need to dedicate much capacity to meet all their non-US commitments as well, and we (US) may be lower priority for a while once the initial 100 mil doses is fulfilled.
Thank you for the laugh Bob. I will most certainly be ignoring going forward. suggestion accepted!
For a "nonsense sports board" you sure do spend a lot of time here arguing with people and trying to hurl insults at those with a differing viewpoint. Unlike your claims to the contrary, you clearly do "give a shit" what people think. A+ on the deflection of your own self opinion.
At "70+" you've GOT to be counting down the days to get back to cruisin' again. This China virus really put a damper on those vaca plans, eh? Jimmy Buffet on the Lido deck with a cold Coors Light. Maybe some afternoon bingo or trivia. Life doesnt get better. Ohhh, even better; maybe you can head over to the Cruise Critic boards and lament the loss of midnight buffets and the formality of cruising of yesteryear.
And yes, I do appreciate #'s weather posts or research posts, and make it a point to show my appreciation when warranted. When someone puts in the time to provide value and saves me time in looking things up, I'm grateful. I loathe message board leeches who blindly makes assumptions (notice the blatant irony of my prior paragraph) about others and pound their chest as a method to deflect their own insecurities towards others. I can almost guarantee your response will be riddled with something about youth, being a sheep, MSM, Murphy or Cuomo, my self-entitlement, a contextually incorrect quote from a movie character or athlete, or the ever popular pushing of a need for a life lesson.
And you're right... (notice the proper casual usage of the three periods) you will never, ever be like me.
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This guy IM posts misleading stuff. Yes the graphics of cases are "correct" but as I've said countless times one can't compare cases from spring to cases now in NJ/NY. Hospitalizations in NJ for this current wave are peaking at about half what they were in the spring and hospitalizations are a far better indicator of the extent of an outbreak than cases (we know we had at least 2-4X as many cases in the spring vs. what was reported, due to far lower testing rates back then). To me the most obvious difference explaining the halving of transmissions between March/early April and now is that now we have most people wearing masks vs. not many at all back then (and they'd be a lot lower if ~30% of the population weren't ignoring masks in many situations and weren't still having indoor gatherings). And with deaths per hospitalization being about half what they were in the spring, deaths should peak at about 1/4 (or less) of what we saw in the spring in our area. Planning a longer post on this shortly.
No not from twitter...from watching the interview that day and then watching his and surgeon generals about flip flop.
This guy IM posts misleading stuff. Yes the graphics of cases are "correct" but as I've said countless times one can't compare cases from spring to cases now in NJ/NY. Hospitalizations in NJ for this current wave are peaking at about half what they were in the spring and hospitalizations are a far better indicator of the extent of an outbreak than cases (we know we had at least 2-4X as many cases in the spring vs. what was reported, due to far lower testing rates back then). To me the most obvious difference explaining the halving of transmissions between March/early April and now is that now we have most people wearing masks vs. not many at all back then (and they'd be a lot lower if ~30% of the population weren't ignoring masks in many situations and weren't still having indoor gatherings). And with deaths per hospitalization being about half what they were in the spring, deaths should peak at about 1/4 (or less) of what we saw in the spring in our area. Planning a longer post on this shortly.
Cant have it both ways. MSM salivates and fear mongers over cases but look at the deaths which haven't spiked
When we brought up they are testing more argument it was met with the typical shouting down
Anyhow here is an interesting study and touches a bit on asymptomatic spread at home
Household Transmission of SARS-CoV-2
This systematic review and meta-analysis examines evidence for household transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), disaggregated by several covariates, and compares it with other coronaviruses
jamanetwork.com
Hey you better believe I look forward to whatever days are left traveling... doing the things you may or may never do...the best part is you took your time to re post and evidently some of my posts registered either good or bad...sounds as though you finally got your booze courage up that’s good...yes I see you actually went back to look them up Bobo... My aren’t you the obsessed one here and for sure there are a few on this board...the type of person who feigns or detests others but down deep inside is very jealous...Here is the reality I actually am not a cruise person... We don’t like cruises... if I were an old 70+ overweight senior I would see your point... Here is one point you are correct on I don’t buy all the BS of media and posters who attempted to push their anti governmental crap... so if those posts did offend you don’t worry I give you permission to “ ignore “ me... If memory serves me correct you have posted probably 3 things to me all showing me you are as insecure as most are... You are doing the same exact thing you claim to dislike with my posts... So to clarify this for you... no, I do not like Cuomo nor Murphy... I don’t believe that all the science is correct ... I do mask, distance and wash my hands ... I don’t get overly caught up in weather forecasts posted by numbers... Most weather forecasting gets it wrong more than not..Give me Tex Antoine or Dr.Frank Fields hell even my old friend Lloyd Lindsey Young...Do you honestly believe you can change a person’s feelings about the issues going on... Do you get offended when someone disagrees with your thinking ? You evidently do exactly the same as you claim I do then brush it off as if it is “ ok for you but not for me”... Damn how many times have we seen that left Demo tactics... yeah it’s me and my insecurities but you’re perfectly good... got it... Don’t forget my fragmented 3 period sentence structural endings talk about insecurities... Happy New Year... I’ll try harder to conform in 2021.🪓🪓🪓🪓
Have we discussed Vitamin D in the thread. Read an article today that said governments need to start pushing the use of Vitamin D and not wait for additional studies because what is currently known about the benefits and Covid.
"To me the most obvious difference explaining the halving of transmissions between March/early April and now is that now we have most people wearing masks vs. not many at all back then"This guy IM posts misleading stuff. Yes the graphics of cases are "correct" but as I've said countless times one can't compare cases from spring to cases now in NJ/NY. Hospitalizations in NJ for this current wave are peaking at about half what they were in the spring and hospitalizations are a far better indicator of the extent of an outbreak than cases (we know we had at least 2-4X as many cases in the spring vs. what was reported, due to far lower testing rates back then). To me the most obvious difference explaining the halving of transmissions between March/early April and now is that now we have most people wearing masks vs. not many at all back then (and they'd be a lot lower if ~30% of the population weren't ignoring masks in many situations and weren't still having indoor gatherings). And with deaths per hospitalization being about half what they were in the spring, deaths should peak at about 1/4 (or less) of what we saw in the spring in our area. Planning a longer post on this shortly.
Nothing factual in the key statement of your post, 100% your slant that suites you.
They ignore, like they ignore everything else. It's incredible, really.
I'm not familiar with whom this story is about but It is standard procedure and common practice to administer benadryl after an epi administration since both work differently to quell anaphylaxis. A period of observation is also to be expected since the possibility exists for a reoccurrence of sxs and additional epi is needed after sxs may appear to have initially subsided.
@RU848789 If masks work, then why are cases up everywhere? Cases soared in the states with the latest lockdowns. California is a textbook example of this.
Go outside today with your mask on, then watch the air show up through your mask as you're breathing.
Then continue to mock people who say masks don't work.
OP I appreciate your passion but you act like a pretentious know it all in every thread. On every topic. It's incredible. It's almost @RU4Real level.
Go outside today with your mask on, then watch the air show up through your mask as you're breathing.
Then continue to mock people who say masks don't work.
OP I appreciate your passion but you act like a pretentious know it all in every thread. On every topic. It's incredible. It's almost @RU4Real level.
The video in which the very first thing he says is "masks are important".
No clue how you think that supports your argument.
Was debating the effectiveness of masks with someone recently, he was working the same logic as you, if masks work, then why are cases up?
Then, and this is a true story, he, with a pretty solid cough going, has christmas at his house, multiple family circles invited.
So why are cases going up? Cause people are morons.
It was discussed in spring/summer, not sure how much it has been discussed since.
I was D deficient, but have been taking vitamins
Said this to you on the previous page, but Dec is the deadliest month of the pandemic thus far in this country.Cant have it both ways. MSM salivates and fear mongers over cases but look at the deaths which haven't spiked
When we brought up they are testing more argument it was met with the typical shouting down
Anyhow here is an interesting study and touches a bit on asymptomatic spread at home
Household Transmission of SARS-CoV-2
This systematic review and meta-analysis examines evidence for household transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), disaggregated by several covariates, and compares it with other coronaviruses
I don’t get the “if face masks worked, why are cases going up” logic.
Nobody said face masks are 100% effective. There are also so many other variables at play. Speaking in absolutes with something so complex is crazy.
That’s like saying seatbelts don’t work because people still get injured in car accidents.
Also, about breath in cold air, I saw this video the other week. Not sure if this is even a good or relevant experiment, but it does illustrate how your breath is muted.
Saskatoon Man Uses The Cold To Show How Effective Face Masks Can Be
The cold weather "was a perfect way to show how air moves with a mask both on and off."
I came here today to ask the same question.
Anecdotally, my wife takes 50 mcg per day (2000% of recommended daily value), tested for COVID on Monday and got the news on Thursday that she tested positive, is still Totally asymptomatic, and as of my test yesterday hasn’t passed it on to me even though she was positive and we were side-by-side for AT LEAST three days before we knew she had it.
I’m still 100% in favor of getting the vaccine but there might be something to the vitamin D story to minimize the effects of COVID on the body
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