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OT: COVID Science - Pfizer/Moderna vaccines >90% effective; Regeneron antibody cocktail looks very promising in phase II/III trial and more

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No it doesn't work like that at all. They are allocated of future doses not yet in hand.
That’s not what someone just posted with first hand knowledge. Even still there are 4.5 million doses ready to be administered.
Regardless pretty poor public communication strategy as well. New admins goal is 1 million does a day and probably better communication.
 
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That’s not what someone just posted with first hand knowledge. Even still there are 4.5 million doses ready to be administered.
Regardless pretty poor public communication strategy as well. New admins goal is 1 million does a day and probably better communication.
If anyone is storing vaccines in reserve for 21 days and not continuing vaccinating should be removed from there job.
Yes this country needs to get well over 1 million a day. At some point they need to get to 2 million a day. A million each for first shot and 1 million for the second.
 
I’m one of the few fully unblinded people at Merck, and even I don’t have any inside info. I don’t have all the pieces of the puzzle.
Not sure what you mean, since the DSMB reps are independent from the company and sharing unblinded data with anyone from the company is pretty unusual from everything I've read. Am I missing something?
 
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Not sure what you mean, since the DSMB reps are independent from the company and sharing unblinded data with anyone from the company is pretty unusual from everything I've read. Am I missing something?

I just meant my role is unblinded in the company, but I don’t have all the pieces to the puzzle.
 
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To be clear, lack of plan sits squarely with the administration. Their plan is a 1 trick pony, speed up the development of a vaccine. So many other things could and should have been done.
Yes
NJ top priority is still health care workers and long term care residents, as per below, but with prison staff/inmates in the next stage along with other groups. I don''t think they're supposed to be getting vaccinations before those top two groups though, but the rollout is bound to have some hiccups. I have zero issue with prison staff/inmates being a high priority, though, as prison staff are at high risk, as well as family members of prisoners from visits/releases, given very high rates in populations at close quarters.

"Health care workers remain the highest priority, followed by the tens of thousands of people who live and work in nursing homes and other long-term health facilities. Prisons would be next in line, along with group homes, federal housing for seniors, the state’s five developmental centers and other facilities, according to the health department."

https://www.nj.com/news/2020/12/nj-...-officer-vaccinations-have-already-begun.html
 
Well it figures you would be in favor of prisoners getting the vaccine before millions of more deserving people who live by the law. Should felons get it before a member of your family with a comorbidity , maybe an elderly relative or perhaps a parent? If you told me prison guards, staff , medical personnel then absolutely yes . The fact they are doing this even before vaccinating all the people in LTC, nursing facilities , and over age 70 tells us a great deal about you the man. There is no logic to your way of thinking.
 
Some folk need to stay in their lane, stop complaining about stuff way over their pay grade, shut their mouths and be happy for the new year.
 
Hospital systems are already stressed and you introduce a variant that's significantly more contagious...that's definitely a big deal. Once enough people are vaccinated, that's a different story. Long way to go on that front.
But isn't the typical mutation more contagious but less dangerous?

We are hearing people are getting the new strain, but not hearing what condition they are in.

Total agreement on getting vaccine's out. That's the story imo.
 
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But isn't the typical mutation more contagious but less dangerous?

We are hearing people are getting the new strain, but not hearing what condition they are in.

Total agreement on getting vaccine's out. That's the story imo.
If it’s more infectious and has the same mortality rate that means more deaths and hospitalizations. So a greater taxing of the healthcare system.
 
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If it’s more infectious and has the same mortality rate that means more deaths and hospitalizations. So a greater taxing of the healthcare system.
True, but that is not the typical mutation path. Typical is more contagious less harmful.
 
True, but that is not the typical mutation path. Typical is more contagious less harmful.

Research so far says it’s no more or less harmful. There was some concern that it was more harmful because they were seeing a greater viral load faster, but so far they think it’s the same thank god.
 
Did 1918 mutate, or was it just worse in the 2nd year?

As per is it true? That's what I have read in this thread throughout this whole thing. @RU848789 ?
The accounts that I've read claim it was a mutated strain that caused the worst period of the pandemic (fall 1918). The first wave that occurred in spring 1918 was worse than "typical" flu but nowhere near as lethal as that second fall wave.

That said, at the time they didn't even know it was a virus causing the flu, so I'm not sure whether the claims of it being a mutated version are just conjecture or whether they later were able to isolate the different strains. Maybe someone more familiar with the history of the outbreak can comment. I read a lot about it at one time but have forgotten many of the details.

With covid, all indications so far are that the new variant is about the same in terms of lethality, but is significantly more contagious. So it will make more people sick enough to need hospitalization in a shorter time compared to the previous variant.
 
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For some reason shoprite is the go to pharmacy for vaccines. Their freaking website isn’t working. Smh
 
For all the science folks newest headlines . “ It will be months “ many months before the vaccine gets to all who want it in the USA. I was called out for not understanding the dynamic of what was supposed to happen in the distribution of vaccines. Blame the federal government, blame the states ( absolutely dropped the most important part : an actual plan) blame the the companies responsible to give out the vaccine in mass inoculations. CBS news anchor signs off today” hope things will be better NEXT YEAR? “ yes we all do.
 
Is that true? 1918 virus became more deadly but that’s only one.

Viruses NEED hosts to live. If viruses kill their hosts easily, they have nowhere to live.

Hence viruses usually mutate to become less deadly...so they survive.
 
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For some reason shoprite is the go to pharmacy for vaccines. Their freaking website isn’t working. Smh


I get all my vaccines at Shop Rite. I used to fill all my prescriptions there but changes to my HC now requires mail order
 
I use a local Acme pharmacy and their pharmacist said they won't be getting their allotment of vaccine until March/April.
 
Viruses NEED hosts to live. If viruses kill their hosts easily, they have nowhere to live.

Hence viruses usually mutate to become less deadly...so they survive.
That would make sense eventually but early it would seem they can become more deadly like in 1918.
 
Well the US didn't come close to 20million vaccinated but just saw we did make it to 20million Covid cases.
 
This guy has the correct criticism and ideas.


“That comprehensive vaccination plans have not been developed at the federal level and sent to the states as models is as incomprehensible as it is inexcusable,” Romney said in a statement. "

Yes actually there federal guidelines, and they are so weird that only 17 states are using them the last I read. The states make the decisions about vaccinations. Some states have distribution issues unique to them. Romney seems to think there are massive piles of product awaiting use and that's not true. Romney has a chip on his shoulder and that's why his thoughts are just snotty non-sense.


Who is really ‘first in line’ for the vaccine? It depends on your state.


https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ne-coronavirus-vaccine-states-not-guaranteed/
 
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For all the science folks newest headlines . “ It will be months “ many months before the vaccine gets to all who want it in the USA. I was called out for not understanding the dynamic of what was supposed to happen in the distribution of vaccines. Blame the federal government, blame the states ( absolutely dropped the most important part : an actual plan) blame the the companies responsible to give out the vaccine in mass inoculations. CBS news anchor signs off today” hope things will be better NEXT YEAR? “ yes we all do.

Its mainly a supply issue imo. We currently only have 12mil doses. Between medical professionals and nursing homes, there are something like 24mil people, and that’s just the first group.

We could inject the first group of people quicker, but at the end of the day you’re still limited by doses.
 
“That comprehensive vaccination plans have not been developed at the federal level and sent to the states as models is as incomprehensible as it is inexcusable,” Romney said in a statement. "

Yes actually there federal guidelines, and they are so weird that only 17 states are using them the last I read. The states make the decisions about vaccinations. Some states have distribution issues unique to them. Romney seems to think there are massive piles of product awaiting use and that's not true. Romney has a chip on his shoulder and that's why his thoughts are just snotty non-sense.


Who is really ‘first in line’ for the vaccine? It depends on your state.


https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ne-coronavirus-vaccine-states-not-guaranteed/
No one is saying there are massive amounts of excess supply but there is a lag and fairly sizable one between currently allocated and currently administered. Further to burden an already overburdened healthcare system doesn’t make sense. Their is no federal plan on administration only delivery to states to figure it out. We can and should be doing better.
 
But isn't the typical mutation more contagious but less dangerous?

We are hearing people are getting the new strain, but not hearing what condition they are in.

The early reports (not to be trusted 100% just like last year) are that new variants are more communicable but not more dangerous. That's what was said last spring, when the version of the virus out west and down south was deemed to be of more directly Chinese and not European/Iranian variant that hit NYC. When the new variants hit a city should be more revealing.

From the what-its-worth bin, Chinese researcher, virologist and defector Dr Li-Meng Yan said last summer that the virus was not natural, and that it came from a lab, and that there would be new strains of the virus whenever a vaccine was found. Of course our massively corrupt agencies, pols, social nets etc jumped to ban her from exposure. If you were a Chris Martinson follower you know how hard he's been getting slammed as well. Massive censorships coming from all directions



 
Its mainly a supply issue imo. We currently only have 12mil doses. Between medical professionals and nursing homes, there are something like 24mil people, and that’s just the first group.

We could inject the first group of people quicker, but at the end of the day you’re still limited by doses.
You keep saying it's a supply issue. Yet less than 20% of what has been delivered has been used. And we had the worst week for vaccinations failing to reach 3 million before the New Year. Right now supply is far down on the list of issues.
 
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No one is saying there are massive amounts of excess supply but there is a lag and fairly sizable one between currently allocated and currently administered. Further to burden an already overburdened healthcare system doesn’t make sense.

A good reason why US healthcare should not get bombed by 1000s of foreigners. But that's about to happen as 1000s from around the world are dammed-up in southern countries waiting for the corona restrictions to be ended. They will bring more virus and take more care.
 
Its mainly a supply issue imo. We currently only have 12mil doses. Between medical professionals and nursing homes, there are something like 24mil people, and that’s just the first group.

We could inject the first group of people quicker, but at the end of the day you’re still limited by doses.
Listen to common sense. The delay in putting forth the vaccine efficacy announcements and then having no concrete distribution plan,by the states was error # 1. Allowing states to have jurisdiction over who gets it first has been a complete nightmare. The original plan as to who gets it first has been changed several times. We have seen how “ politics” comes into play. Even here on a sports board we have highly educated science people claiming they don’t have a problem with certain groups or individuals being vaccinated first. Until it’s someone close to them and who they love they will maintain that thinking. States needed to be on top of their “A”game and they have failed “biggly .” They have known for months and a plan shouldn’t be too difficult to stick with but as we now see things are not going well and it’s feasible to believe we are going to see many more die needlessly by this confusion.
 
A good reason why US healthcare should not get bombed by 1000s of foreigners. But that's about to happen as 1000s from around the world are dammed-up in southern countries waiting for the corona restrictions to be ended. They will bring more virus and take more care.
Huh? Are you saying 1000s of foreigners are streaming into the US to get vaccines? Sounds like a bad conspiracy theory.
 
You keep saying it's a supply issue. Yet less than 20% of what has been delivered has been used. And we had the worst week for vaccinations failing to reach 3 million before the New Year. Right now supply is far down on the list of issues.

Ok, say we magically inject all 12mil doses today. Great, we’re done with those doses, but now we have to wait 2 weeks doing nothing until we get the next batch. We’re just spreading the injections out during that time period. Either way, people in group 3 ain’t getting vaccinated until the doses are there. We just have to make sure we don’t fall behind, which we really haven’t yet if you look at the CDC plan.

Also, the Bloomberg counter has been stuck at 3mil for like two days.
 
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Its mainly a supply issue imo. We currently only have 12mil doses. Between medical professionals and nursing homes, there are something like 24mil people, and that’s just the first group.

We could inject the first group of people quicker, but at the end of the day you’re still limited by doses.
Wrong... you know it’s not that. Once again it is bureaucratic incompetence and a feeling we need to cave because social media demands it. In the end more who could have been saved will not see the vaccine.
 
Ok, say we magically inject all 12mil doses today. Great, we’re done with those doses, but now we have to wait 2 weeks doing nothing until we get the next batch. We’re just spreading the injections out during that time period. Either way, people in group 3 ain’t getting vaccinated until the doses are there. We just have to make sure we don’t fall behind, which we really haven’t yet if you look at the CDC plan.

Also, the Bloomberg counter has been stuck at 3mil for like two days.
Yes, but those people who got the vaccines sooner will develop immunity sooner, which will start reducing the burden on the hospitals. So all in all, it would be better to get as many of those shots distributed as soon as possible, even if we then have to wait a week or two for the next round to arrive.

Remember, there is a significant reduction in cases about 10-12 days after shot one. We need to take advantage of that and get people vaccinated.
 
Maybe if the states keep moving those goalposts eventually we might enter the “red zone”. Oh and Marco Rubio didn’t need to get the vaccine before the old guy in the VA home or grandma in assisted living. Didn’t this guy question the vaccine going back?
 
Yes, but those people who got the vaccines sooner will develop immunity sooner, which will start reducing the burden on the hospitals. So all in all, it would be better to get as many of those shots distributed as soon as possible, even if we then have to wait a week or two for the next round to arrive.

Remember, there is a significant reduction in cases about 10-12 days after shot one. We need to take advantage of that and get people vaccinated.

I agree there. The sooner the better for each dose batch. I think you’ll see that improve once we get nursing homes out of the way and the mega sites open up for the next group of people.
 
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Huh? Are you saying 1000s of foreigners are streaming into the US to get vaccines? Sounds like a bad conspiracy theory.

I didn't mention "vaccines" specifically but the foreigners have been bombing US for healthcare and benefits for decades now. You should know that much
 
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What a surprise...get Romney on the case..


New York lagging behind Florida in administering coronavirus vaccines

 
I agree there. The sooner the better for each dose batch. I think you’ll see that improve once we get nursing homes out of the way and the mega sites open up for the next group of people.
The news today is ... it will be months ... many months before we see significant declines or are able to vaccinate the US population. From what we have seen thus far it seems like a fair assessment of the situation in vaccinations.
 
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