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OT: Electric vehicles

This is getting ridiculous. You guys all need to bring it down several notches.
It is ridiculous, I agree. Not atypical of internet forums, but ridiculous nonetheless.

Some folks here cannot defend their positions without becoming emotional and insulting. I'm mostly pretty happy keeping things respectful. But I'm also perfectly happy to trade insults, if someone wants to start up with that silliness.

I basically always treat everybody the way they treat others.
 
It is ridiculous, I agree. Not atypical of internet forums, but ridiculous nonetheless.

Some folks here cannot defend their positions without becoming emotional and insulting. I'm mostly pretty happy keeping things respectful. But I'm also perfectly happy to trade insults, if someone wants to start up with that silliness.

I basically always treat everybody the way they treat others.
While not always the case with me, I strive to take the high road and let others take the low road.
 
I have a dilemma. I will get a tax credit on my 2022 taxes from the purchase of an PHEV in June.
Problem is last year I received a tax refund and I would expect the same thing to happen in 2022.
For those Accountants out there. Would I be able to do a IRA to Roth conversion to create a taxable event so that I could be able to use the tax credit. Does that make any sense?
 
Track electrification can be quite expensive - and potentially unsightly.
Good point. They can be pretty unsightly.

I would imagine there are multiple reasons they went with the approach they did. The cost might be a factor (I have no idea what it cost to do it the way they did versus electric). I wonder if trains, which are already very heavy, couldn't just dedicate a car to basically being the energy store (a giant battery) and then swap that car out for a fully charged one at the endpoints of their various routes. That might avoid all the electrical lines.

I have an engineer buddy (soccer guy) who works for NJ Transit. I'll ask him about it, see what he knows.

And I wonder what the approach means for the future of clean(er) approaches to powering stuff like ships and planes and so forth. I can't see battery power working too well for container or other giant sea-going vessels or airplanes. Not unless we figure out how to store a huge amount of electricity in a much lighter-weight fashion than we can today.
 
expect more...... they are terrorists....

where's the FBI?

Sounds like it's in England. In which case, the FBI has no jurisdiction.

In the US, in a lot of rural areas, someone doing that is running a risk of being shot (quite possibly legally, depending on the state) by the gas station owner or employees.
 
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Good point. They can be pretty unsightly.

I would imagine there are multiple reasons they went with the approach they did. The cost might be a factor (I have no idea what it cost to do it the way they did versus electric). I wonder if trains, which are already very heavy, couldn't just dedicate a car to basically being the energy store (a giant battery) and then swap that car out for a fully charged one at the endpoints of their various routes. That might avoid all the electrical lines.

I have an engineer buddy (soccer guy) who works for NJ Transit. I'll ask him about it, see what he knows.

And I wonder what the approach means for the future of clean(er) approaches to powering stuff like ships and planes and so forth. I can't see battery power working too well for container or other giant sea-going vessels or airplanes. Not unless we figure out how to store a huge amount of electricity in a much lighter-weight fashion than we can today.

Battery electric trains are becoming a thing. UP is buying 20 battery electric locos to use in railyards. IMO, this is a perfect application of the technology.


On the passenger rail side, battery electric trains are good solutions to replace dirty diesel trainsets or to bridge non-electrified sections.
 
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This reminds me of people parking their diesel pickups lengthwise to block EV charging. Total nuthead assholes.
What I want to know is.. why do they take up the closest spots for those EV chargers? I have seen them ahead of handicap spots. Put em in the back of the lots.

Then you have those places that put in valet parking and took up all the close spots for the valets.. again.. WTF... the people using valet parking do not benefit... they would get out right in front even if their car got parked in the back. Only self-parkers have to walk farther. Make the valets leg it out a bit.
 
The $90K is for a fully loaded Platinum.
For a fully loaded conventional Platinum, it came out to about $74,000. With the Federal and State (not sure if you get one after a certain price point), that puts the F150 Lighting Platinum around $80,000, and there is no sales tax on EVs in NJ (I think), putting it in the same range as a gasoline powered F150 Platinum.
90k for a battery lol , has anyone talk about the safety of these electric vehicles, Tesla had some exploded from accidents. All I hear about is the cost but never the safety part for consumers to think about first before shoving the prices down everyone’s throat.
 
90k for a battery lol , has anyone talk about the safety of these electric vehicles, Tesla had some exploded from accidents. All I hear about is the cost but never the safety part for consumers to think about first before shoving the prices down everyone’s throat.
Do share. Do you have stats that compares ICE vs EV on car fires from accidents?
 
90k for a battery lol , has anyone talk about the safety of these electric vehicles, Tesla had some exploded from accidents. All I hear about is the cost but never the safety part for consumers to think about first before shoving the prices down everyone’s throat.

Oh, another anti-EV troll with a uniformed safety take.
 
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90k for a battery lol , has anyone talk about the safety of these electric vehicles, Tesla had some exploded from accidents. All I hear about is the cost but never the safety part for consumers to think about first before shoving the prices down everyone’s throat.
It's not $90K for a battery.
My post said a conventional ICE Platinum F150 runs $74,000. I redid the configuration, and it actually costs $80,000, plus sales tax. To purchase the ICE F150 Platinum, you would pay $85,000.

The price of the F150 Lightning Platinum is $90,000, and minus the tax credit, it is $82,500, and no sales tax.

So, the Lightning version of the F150 is $2,500 less expensive in 2022.

The car fire numbers are BS, per Car and Driver. Score more fake news from the prime source of fake news, the New York Times. Yes, the same newspaper that reported Poland invaded Nazi Germany when the opposite happened. Don't believe everything you see on the interwebs.

Want to LOL now?

 
It's not $90K for a battery.
My post said a conventional ICE Platinum F150 runs $74,000. I redid the configuration, and it actually costs $80,000, plus sales tax. To purchase the ICE F150 Platinum, you would pay $85,000.

The price of the F150 Lightning Platinum is $90,000, and minus the tax credit, it is $82,500, and no sales tax.

So, the Lightning version of the F150 is $2,500 less expensive in 2022.

The car fire numbers are BS, per Car and Driver. Score more fake news from the prime source of fake news, the New York Times. Yes, the same newspaper that reported Poland invaded Nazi Germany when the opposite happened. Don't believe everything you see on the interwebs.

Want to LOL now?

The part often left out is that in the case of Teslas, numerous drivers in collisions said their screen told them their batteries had been compromised and that they should get away from the vehicle. A widespread fire occurred as much as 10-15 min later.
I haven’t found any accounts yet of 12-20 gallon tanks of combustible liquid providing the same warning and combustion delay.
As for our new poster trying to sell us on explosive, super pricey batteries - feel flattered everyone. This marathon thread is attracting paid bots.
 
The part often left out is that in the case of Teslas, numerous drivers in collisions said their screen told them their batteries had been compromised and that they should get away from the vehicle. A widespread fire occurred as much as 10-15 min later.
I haven’t found any accounts yet of 12-20 gallon tanks of combustible liquid providing the same warning and combustion delay.
As for our new poster trying to sell us on explosive, super pricey batteries - feel flattered everyone. This marathon thread is attracting paid bots.
Common sense would dictate that if you are not injured, you should get out of a vehicle if it is safe to do so. I wonder if the instructions take that into account. On the other hand, it is not good to get out and move around if you have a cervical-spine injury. I'm not knocking Tesla--but not sure of the wisdom of the advice. But I guess if the vehicle has a good chance of catching fire, and you have to pick your poison--exit. This is coming from the perspective of someone who has handled multiple car accidents, vehicle extrications, etc from a firefighting and EMT perspective.
 
90k for a battery lol , has anyone talk about the safety of these electric vehicles, Tesla had some exploded from accidents. All I hear about is the cost but never the safety part for consumers to think about first before shoving the prices down everyone’s throat.

No, no one's ever talked about that.

What a true outside-the-box thinker you are.
 
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I feel like maybe y'all are giving the troll, or bot if that's what it is, a bit more attention than the post deserved.

But the responses are chuckle-worthy nonetheless. 😀
 
I'm not sure who here thinks Musk is a Charlatan, but I do not. I have no issue with Musk, personally. He's a businessman who does a lot of promoting of his products and ventures. Which is perfectly okay.

What is NOT okay is claiming that the technology is saving lives. That is, as yet, unproven in any statistical sense. The technology is not nearly in widespread enough use to make the claim that it's saving lives. I mean, unless you're using an extremely loose standard for the statement. And if using loose standards, then one could just as validly claim that human drivers are saving lives every day too.

In the past three weeks, I've saved two human lives by being alert to idiots talking on their cell phones while they strolled out across a busy road in the middle of the street, between parked vehicles. I see this sort of thing happening ALL THE TIME. Human drivers 1.0 saving lives. Not even in beta.
HERE is a technology that has enormous potential to save lives. Why is this not deployed in every major city?

 
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Notice today that driving anything 80+ MPH reduces my range by 10-15%. Had a bit of range anxiety today driving down to Tom’s River. Started with 145 mile range for 70 miles trip with another 22miles to charging station. No traffic on GSP at 7am so set the cruise control at 80. After 60 miles driving, I only had 55 miles of range left. Slowed to 70 MPH and the range was more 1 for 1. Slowed 65, it gained 2-1 on regenerative braking.
 
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Facts and details matter.

Chevy Volt Battery Replacement Cost​

  • According to a 2020 Greencars report, 16 kWh Chevy Volt batteries cost ~$4,000 to replace, about $240/kWh.
  • A 2011-2015 Chevy Volt Remanufactured Battery Pack is priced at $6,000 at Greentec Auto. These batteries have 17.1 kWh of capacity, putting this price at $350/kWh in 2021 dollars. Sold with new modules, that same battery pack is priced at $8,000, placing it at $467/kWh in 2021.
  • For the 2016-2018 Chevy Volt, battery packs are priced at roughly $3,000 on ebay. These batteries are 18.4 kWh, equating to $163/kWh to $152/kWh.

 
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