This is why hybrids suck. 😜
But, I doubt this is legit. Not for a 17kWh pack.
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But, I doubt this is legit. Not for a 17kWh pack.
What a strange thing to do...
www.pcmag.com
Fiery Tesla Crash Was Faked Using Pyrotechnics
Insurance company Axa performed a fake crash test in an attempt to show that electric vehicles cause more accidents.
Not strange. Probably trying to justify a higher insurance prem for EVs.What a strange thing to do...
Fiery Tesla Crash Was Faked Using Pyrotechnics
Insurance company Axa performed a fake crash test in an attempt to show that electric vehicles cause more accidents.
Not only a monumentally moronic thing to stick in a road car, but apparently, Tesla yokes are showing quality-control issues.
jalopnik.com
Tesla Yokes Are a Joke, Plagued by Horrible Quality Issues
Drivers are reporting their yoke steering wheels are peeling or coming apart at low miles.
jalopnik.com
the faster yokes go out of style, the better.Not only a monumentally moronic thing to stick in a road car, but apparently, Tesla yokes are showing quality-control issues.
Tesla Yokes Are a Joke, Plagued by Horrible Quality Issues
Drivers are reporting their yoke steering wheels are peeling or coming apart at low miles.
Another look at future (possibly?) hydrogen fuel cell vehicles:
www.autoweek.com
Also, talked on Sunday w/a friend who's a mechanical engineer that specializes in trains/railways/etc. Asked him why Germany would've built hydrogen fuel cell powered trains recently, instead of just using battery powered trains.
He said they probably avoided the electrical powered trains using wire because of the expense, something like $4M per mile (in the US, at least, IIRC the number he gave). And he said that electric battery trains are mostly useless at the moment given the speed at which the batteries run out of juice. They have some, but they are only special-use, as short-run shuttles, in the case of NJ Transit, I think it's actually out in Long Island, but not sure - kind of a proof of concept. Says it'll be a while before battery tech gets good enough to power locomotives via battery due to the energy drain. At least for normal length runs.
I think he said NJ transit is required to produce plans for a battery powered train that can be implemented on a wider scale than what's in use now. So they're working on it. But it won't work, except perhaps as hybrid solutions, anytime soon.
OTOH, overhead electric trains are still being built, using catenary, despite the extreme cost and ugliness of it.
A scan of current articles shows a lot of interest in battery-powered trains, and some efforts to try to get stuff up and running using that tech. But nothing concrete other than concepts/proofs-of-concept/early stage tests/etc.
We Ride in Toyota’s Hydrogen-Powered Big Rig
Hydrogen fuel cell trucks could be the quiet revolution
Also, talked on Sunday w/a friend who's a mechanical engineer that specializes in trains/railways/etc. Asked him why Germany would've built hydrogen fuel cell powered trains recently, instead of just using battery powered trains.
He said they probably avoided the electrical powered trains using wire because of the expense, something like $4M per mile (in the US, at least, IIRC the number he gave). And he said that electric battery trains are mostly useless at the moment given the speed at which the batteries run out of juice. They have some, but they are only special-use, as short-run shuttles, in the case of NJ Transit, I think it's actually out in Long Island, but not sure - kind of a proof of concept. Says it'll be a while before battery tech gets good enough to power locomotives via battery due to the energy drain. At least for normal length runs.
I think he said NJ transit is required to produce plans for a battery powered train that can be implemented on a wider scale than what's in use now. So they're working on it. But it won't work, except perhaps as hybrid solutions, anytime soon.
OTOH, overhead electric trains are still being built, using catenary, despite the extreme cost and ugliness of it.
A scan of current articles shows a lot of interest in battery-powered trains, and some efforts to try to get stuff up and running using that tech. But nothing concrete other than concepts/proofs-of-concept/early stage tests/etc.
Charging etiquette question.
While traveling this weekend up to BC game, we may charge at a level 2 charger to charge our plug-in hybrid. NOTE this is LEVEL2, with LEVEL 1 chargers in the charging bank. We cannot use Level 1 for our plug in hybrid.
Volvo says it takes about 4-5 hours to full charge for plug-in hybrid. We may be away from the car for about 6 hours while at the tailgate and game. Will this be some sort of major problem (we will check for rules/signs). There is no practical way we will be able to get back to the car before 6 hours. But it is a Level 2 charger.
We may just skip the charging if it is a problem.
While traveling this weekend up to BC game, we may charge at a level 2 charger to charge our plug-in hybrid. NOTE this is LEVEL2, with LEVEL 1 chargers in the charging bank. We cannot use Level 1 for our plug in hybrid.
Volvo says it takes about 4-5 hours to full charge for plug-in hybrid. We may be away from the car for about 6 hours while at the tailgate and game. Will this be some sort of major problem (we will check for rules/signs). There is no practical way we will be able to get back to the car before 6 hours. But it is a Level 2 charger.
We may just skip the charging if it is a problem.
Not sure how the particular charging station works, but for a Tesla you pay a penalty after a 10-15 minute grace period for sitting idle at a charging station.
I agree with that. What's the penalty? This will be on the crap non-Tesla network.
Depends on the network. Just looked up ChargePoint for reference: "A $0.40 per minute idle fee is applied if the vehicle remains connected to the charger 10 minutes or more after a session has ended."
This would be EVGo. Found a funny discussion about plug-in hybrid. It's probably a waste to charge a plug-in hybrid since we are going to exceed the hybrid battery range on the next leg of our trip. Also, it is more expensive than gas. Full EV owners seem to get pissed at plug-in hybrids clogging up the chargers. But again, this is a Level 2 charger--do full EV drivers use the Level 2 chargers?
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I never have. Came very close to pretending to use one because I couldn't find parking and there were two open spots with chargers, but I didn't want to anger the gods.
Where is the charger located? I think it's probably ok, but maybe there will be some signage at the location. My guess is that people know that L2 chargers are slow, so cars will be there a while.
Love these articles. The price is a hidden cost?
On my 2022 Ford Escape phev I have 4 EV modes. One is EV Charging where you charge your battery while running on gasoline. I find this is best to use on highway driving instead of city driving as it gives more of a charge to the battery.
If I was driving to Boston I'd fill the gas tank and have a full battery to start. then switch modes along the way to charge the battery while driving on gas for a while to fill the battery again. I've been getting almost 1 battery mile for each gas mile driven.
Here's more info on the 4 modes:
Yeah, that first point in their slide-show is indeed pretty silly.
However, the rest of the slides aren't inaccurate. And the slideshow isn't presenting a case to avoid buying an EV (well, maybe it's trying to, I don't know). But for people for whom the cost of stuff is an issue, there are valid points to be considered.
Obviously ICEVs have hidden costs of ownership too. But people are pretty familiar with those whereas, with all the marketing going on about EVs and saving at the pump, people might overlook certain other costs (higher insurance premiums or replacement batteries stand out).
Not a reason to not buy an EV, but it's still good to be fully informed.
The insurance claim has previously been debunked on this thread. Cliff notes - the difference in insurance costs between ICE vehicles and EV vehicles cam be explained by the purchase price differential.
If the article were “things to consider before buying an ev” it would be nail on the head. Guess hidden costs just sounds better
Californians told not to charge their electric cars at times on Labor Day weekend
California's grid operator is asking residents not to charge their EVs a few days after the state announced a ban on gasoline-powered cars in 2035.
www.autoblog.com
infrastructure ain't ready.
Here's what a rental Tesla Model S Plaid's interior looks like after 19,000 miles
We rented a Tesla Model S Plaid off Turo, so here's what it looked like after 19,000 miles.
www.autoblog.com
how a responsible company handles safety concerns with their automated driving...
www.autoblog.com
GM recalls Cruise autonomous vehicles after left-turn crash - Autoblog
One of its cars was involved in a not-at-fault collision making a left turn in June. The new software should prevent a repeat in the future.
www.autoblog.com
Californians told not to charge their electric cars at times on Labor Day weekend
California's grid operator is asking residents not to charge their EVs a few days after the state announced a ban on gasoline-powered cars in 2035.
infrastructure ain't ready.
Here it comes. Again. The polemics are out, once again actively rooting for things to go FUBAR in California.
California is experiencing a major heatwave. Sacramento's weather forecast is for over 100 degrees through the weekend before the broil setting of 110 is due on Labor Day and on Tuesday.
The article states:
The California Independent System Operator (ISO), an independent power grid operator, asked Golden State residents to voluntarily conserve energy between 4:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m. during the three-day weekend.
This should be a problem for no one with an EV. I always set my EV to charge after 9 PM every evening - not just through this specific heatwave. This is akin to avoiding long shopping trips during rush hour.
who's rooting for it to go wrong? it's widely known that CA's power infrastructure is shit. they have a whole lot of work to do in order to support their 2035 target...huge $$$ needs to be spent and the work needs to start now, not in 5 or 6 years. these projects take a really long time to begin with, let alone having to work around wildfire season.
$200,000 Polestar 6 LA Concept sells out in a week - Autoblog
Polestar's vehicle catalog is expanding rapidly, and will see at least four new models in the next four years.
www.autoblog.com
Yes, a lot of money needs to be spent on the grid and on further development of clean renewables. California is doing fine and must do more. That's true for every other state. BTW, many other states will quickly follow California's lead - Oregon, Washington, the Northeast state and others are up next.
List of U.S. states by renewable electricity production - Wikipedia
EV adoption isn't happening overnight. As EV adoption increases, so should infrastructure. This is a solvable problem. California's problem is bureaucracy, overregulation, and red tape. Just the permitting process for a charging station in California can take as long as 2 years. That's absurd.
Same goes for mining operations. 10 years to get a mining operation up and running in the US. Other part of the world...2-3 years with high environmental standards.
This is why we need more energy storage. Both utility and residential.
C'mon now. Polemics? Hyperbolize much?
The article is reporting automotive news. And the proximity of this grid issue coming right on the heels of CA announcing it's upcoming ICE ban, is very newsworthy. Because adding the charging of many millions of cars, that used to be powered without any real impact on our aging electrical grid, to that same aging electrical grid without first making substantial improvements to the grid along with increases in electrical energy production, is going to cause problems.
The article does not attack EVs nor does it venture into a controversial topic about them.
It's hardly being anti-EV to recognize the reality of that situation and to press for more rapid improvements in electrical energy production and transmission so as to avoid such potential problems.
Hidden-cost type articles have been around forever, since long before EVs were around. The media wants attention, so headlines are gonna be as attention-grabbing as possible. Especially nowadays. I don't much like it either, but as media-hyperbole goes, this is an extremely minor and harmless example.
Definitely be much safer for drivers. Yokes are something that states should ban as too unsafe.
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