All in, the energy to produce an electric car is higher than an equivalent ICE car. Drilling for oil is much less harmful to the environment and energy efficient than the vast strip mining, ruining thousands and thousands of acres of land for the raw materials for the batteries. Since we are a long way away from " renewables " being able to power the grid to the level we need it to most of the energy to charge these EV's will come from fossil fuels.
Drilling for oil is not much less harmful. Why make stuff up? 😂
Who is going to dole out that $$$ for charging infrastructure and who is going to get that money?
Those are all really good questions that deserve answers from the government. If it is like a lot of things the government "does," we may never know.
Case in point and very easily verified...
It is less harmful. the infrastructure for an oil rig takes up less than 1 acre. To strip mine the raw materials for batteries takes thousands of acres and tearing apart the earth. Oil, as an energy source is much less environmentally impactful than mining for batteries which has no energy production capability. ICE cars are much more environmentally friendly than battery operated vehicles.
Did you consider the refining process as well as the transportation/distribution of all of the refined byproducts?
Just ignore the simple mind.
Leaving out insults to the Orange one may help foster a more reasonable discussion. But then again, with some of these folks, it may not, because they could be hopelessly brainwashed. But leaving Orange and hats out of the discussion makes the ones on the correct side of this debate to be better.Case in point and very easily verified...
...and once again, bigly and sadly relevant for the posters saying otherwise (since the oil industry generating the nonsense is nervous AF)...
Eliminate gasoline and diesel and you still have a large number of refined byproducts. You still have to drill to get them.
Refining Crude oil is a fairly simple and energy efficient process compared to the amount of energy required to refine base minerals into a functioning battery. I'm glad you brought this up. Also virtually 100% of raw crude is refined down into component products whereas making batteries out of raw minerals leaves a huge amount material that cannot be used for anything so huge piles of toxic tailings are left behind. So devastating to the environment.
I used to take the high road only. And as a teacher, when I discuss this all as a part of my planetary science and environmental science teaching gigs, I still do. But growing up and living in the "Pretty Much Alabama" part of southern NJ beyond exit 2, I've come to learn that all the tough talk from the Orange and his fanatics only makes headway when it's met in kind. The debunking facts on a millions issues have been available to all for a long time at this point.
Thank you. Notice the "climate change is a hoax" crowd has seemed to disappear. Too embarrassed to reveal themselves now. I suppose the same will happen as we progress more towards sustainable energy and electric transport.
Every situation is different. Have encountered similar echo chambers regarding people and LGBTQ issues. Having several LGBTQ family members and close friends, I have found that taking the high road and ignoring unwarranted vitriol can yield better results than raising the temperature of the discussion.
I'm not fully on board with the Greta and the cow-farting climate change crowd. As with all things, the extreme ends foment further division and stupid arguments. The truth lies somewhere in between those extremes.
President Trump and most of us see the disaster the democrats are setting us up for. Germany is at Putins mercy and President Trump is the one who told them that they would be. Just like them forcing electric vehicles on everyone the country is not prepared and does not have the infrastructure to supply enough electric for everyone. Just take a look at democrat run California where they are begging people not to charge their EV's. You morons may want to live without air conditioning or light but I and most Americans don't. Its time to get rid of the democrat cancer in 2022 and bring back President Trump in 2024.
It’s troubling, but not sickening. Sickening is a mom that kills her little kids. Or a priest that molests children. Or other truly awful stuff like that.
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And these events haven't been going on for Millenia?They are still there. But people are seeing the real effects of climate change now - the heat waves across the globe, forest fires, cycles of droughts and fires and floods. This is a never-ending fight.
On Fox, Donald Trump Calls Climate Change A ‘Hoax’: ‘In The 1920’s They Were Talking About Global Freezing’
“If you look into the 1920s," Trump said, "they were talking about a global freezing, okay? In other words, the globe was going to freeze.”
Don't forget Knight Shift, this is the same crowd that wants us eating bugs because it is more environmentally friendly!
One lie after another. All of a sudden you're concerned about the environment? Yeah right. You're just parroting the latest garbage from your team. Whatever democrats do is bad. Whatever your side does is good. We get it. Highly intellectual . Take your garbage to the CE cesspool.
No lies, just facts. The democrats use environmental issues as a wedge to divide us. Just like they use race, religion and sex to divide us.
Yeah good idea. I was about to respond to his ridiculous post trying to make it seem like oil drilling doesn’t ruin acres of land, before we even get into the massive spills each year. But then I realized I’m likely speaking with a mentally ill person.
I think you are missing my point on the evolution of my approach that I've already been through. I tried to use my livelihood of science and years of reading real peer-reviewed climatology to explain to many how we know definitively the skyrocketing carbon dioxide is all ours (not from volcanoes or other natural sources) and how none of the natural warming factors of the past have/had any significance over the past 200 years when the observed warming has been 10X faster than at any other time in history when Earth emerged from ice ages, all during our exponentially growing love affair with fossil fuels.
The country’s not ready for it. Typical of how democrats operate force people to do something before thinking through consequences. We know how democrats operate. No bail, which democrats supported now we have out of control crime and tent cities. Illegal immigration which democrats support now we have millions of unvetted illegals filtering into the country. California mandating electric cars by 2035 they do not have the infrastructure to support it, now has rolling blackouts. Democrats are the disaster our country cannot afford.
Hey dummy, electrified transport was well underway under Trump. Something tells me if Trump's campaign funds came from EV manufacturers, and he was singing their praises, you'd have a garage full of them.
