Sigh. This thread was bad enough with the serial arguer. The trolls … just ugh.
OT: Electric vehicles
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If you cannot take the heat then stay out of the fray!
when we have more of these cars on the road lets see how their operating costs stack up. I just saw a video on Rhumble of a guy who bought a brand new Range Rover EV, paid $115k for it and with less than 300 miles on it the whole thing just crapped out on him in the middle of the road. He couldn't contact Range Rover and his On Star service kept giving him the runaround. I tried to post the video of it but it was on Rhumble and this site does not support Rhumble for whatever reasons.
There are always corner cases. Citing every one you can dredge up from the depths of the internet is a waste of time and demonstrates nothing other than a lack of critical thinking.
For me, it means leaving any mention of politicians, political parties, or political ideologies (con or lib) entirely out of discussions. Because such mentions merely create unhelpful emotional polarization that distracts from the topic at hand. Especially when it’s to blame or give credit to any politician.
Incidentally, you’re not the first person to have brought up politics or politicians in this thread. But it’s been pretty rare and generally low key, and people drop it very quickly. Outside the CE board, we should all try hard to avoid doing it, IMO (and per forum rules, I believe).
If people want to argue against EV adoption or otherwise take a contrary stance to stuff revolving around EVs that isn’t political in nature, then for me, that’s perfectly fine. People should be able to disagree respectfully. And it should be okay to take an unpopular position.
Some here will become offended and emotional if you take a position in opposition to EVs. But they shouldn’t, IMO, because diversity in viewpoints, when the viewpoints are logically and/or factually supportable, is a critically important part of arriving at correct answers. Echo chambers are rarely ideal when seeking truth, right?
So my personal thinking is that this thread should be able to gracefully and respectfully tolerate all viewpoints about EVs, pro or con or mixed. But that politics, even if they're pertinent, should be left to the CE forum.
So, tl;dr for BS and bac:
Delete everything you wrote and don't come back unless you suddenly want real EV info/advice. K, thx, bye.
First thank you for your thoughtful response. I appreciate you stating your views and will respectfully consider them. Herein lies one of the central problems of this entire thread, if EV's were making inroads against ICE vehicles on their own merits then I would gladly embrace their rise in acceptance. That is not what is going on right now. EV's are largely being pushed onto the masses by government interventions and that is dangerous for the country. When a few individuals are making decisions for all of us, not matter how noble or virtuosic they are, if they are wrong it can cause alot of pain not only for the individuals who embraced the promise but for the country who follow false prophets. throughout history we have seen example after example of governments doing just that in the name of whatever virtue they are espousing at the time.
I do not see how I can separate the actions of the Biden administrations actions from the EV argument when they are directly and indirectly taking actions that affect all of us when it comes to EV's. For example, Bidens Oil policies directly affect the EV market, by artificially driving up demand, another factor is EV direct subsidies for EV cars. As you state, so eloquently in your above response, "Echo Chambers are rarely ideal when seeking the truth, Right?" This is 100% spot on and why even in our little corner of the internet we must have robust debate as to what the best approach to issues of substance are to get to the truth. We cannot leave our politicians out of it because they are the ones who are making many of these decisions.
I appreciate your response and promise I will try to be selective in my responses. It is never my intent to upset people on the board but sometimes you just cannot please everyone. We are still having debates on the board whether Greg was the right hire or not. LOL! Be well!
EVs have not been pushed onto anyone in this thread, nor do I imagine you'll be strongarmed into getting one anytime soon, maybe ever. The rest of that ramble is for your CE board thread (talk about echo chamber).
LOL. No, not exactly what I was saying.
I'm just saying everybody should leave politics out of the discussions. But I'm okay with both of them taking contrary positions to EV adoption being such a great thing.
I think EV adoption will be an improvement, eventually. We have a long way to go, but I'm okay heading that direction until something better comes along. And lets face it, it's hard to argue how it's such a bad thing to cut down on the amount of carbon humans are spewing the atmosphere.
But I also recognize that we're trading one set of problems for another. And we don't yet know what all the new problems will be. So I'm fine seeing people push back. It's intellectually healthy to have debate vs. echo chambers.
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IIRC, Range Rovers are notorious for repairs/problems. Maybe I'm mistaken.
Also, there is no such thing as a Range Rover full EV that I could find on a quick search. There are plug in hybrids. Sounds like an issue with Range Rover, not the EV part.
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I don't believe it's possible for them to leave politics out. That's the one and only reason they're here.
This thread has never been an echo chamber for EV lovers, which they don't realize because they've only been here since this became everyday Fox news.
It's easy to talk about EVs without talking about politics. You talk about the issues rather than parties or politicians.
If you don't like a particular law, then post a link to the text of the law and write about what you think is problematic with it. It's entirely possible to discuss what's right or wrong with EVs without getting into finger-pointing and demonization.
This thread has gone a very long time without getting mired into politics and political bashing. Those subjects tend to take over discussion (and for no value since nobody is changing anybody's mind). Ultimately, where you feel you must post something EV related and political, do it on the CE board where folks want to get into that stuff.
But clearly, in this thread, the long-time participants don't really want to get into politics. And, refreshingly, in this thread, people's positions have been largely unaligned with contributor's known political leans. Why mess with that?
IIRC, Range Rovers are notorious for repairs/problems. Maybe I'm mistaken.
Also, there is no such thing as a Range Rover full EV that I could find on a quick search. There are plug in hybrids. Sounds like an issue with Range Rover, not the EV part.
Land Rover Range Rover Reliability - 2024 Ratings | RepairPal
How reliable is your Land Rover Range Rover? The 2024 Reliability Rating by RepairPal tells you how often major repairs are required and ownership costs.
Land/Range Rovers definitely have a notorious rep for being garbage. I wouldn't touch any British brand, tbh, but LR would be last in line, though I do love some of their models (on glossy magazine stock, anyway).
I have "news" for you. Without getting into details, I prefer Fox "news" over the other two all day "news" outlets. Actually, my first preference is NewsNation out of Chicago, on the old WGN, as they appear to be the least biased. But back to Fox "news", they do spew a lot of silly talking points, but as with any news outlet, I listen with a critical ear, and usually will fact check many stories, especially once pertaining to science. I totally discount their coverage on EVs as well as other topics.
Safety measures worked. The fire was contained to 1 unit and no injuries. Tesla will be switching all stationary storage to LFP cells.
In other stationary storage news...No more coal in Hawaii thanks to stationary storage:
https://electrek.co/2022/09/28/tesla-megapacks-arrive-hawaii-with-last-coal-shipment/
You're always so testy when Tesla is mentioned. Point of the piece was to say that there are other existing technology options that are safer than lithium based cells. Whether or not they catch on and can scale is another matter.
500mi range right? Does that mean their going to be short haulers?
Electric vehicles are exploding from water damage after Hurricane Ian, top Florida official warns
500 miles is plenty to cover the majority of trucking routes.
Wow!! That's some explosion! Thankfully, not a single ICE vehicle was affected by the hurricane. Also good to know that gasoline is a very stable liquid and poses no threat of fire.
When you take a look at real data, rather than cherry picking, you'll see that EVs are far less prone to fires vs an ICE vehicle.
https://electrek.co/2022/01/12/gove...e-significantly-more-prone-to-fires-than-evs/
I think you might need to adjust your soy levels this morning.
#SoDefensive
Why is everything about EVs an angry competition to you? There's literally nothing to argue about in the news of some water-damaged EVs catching fire. It's just news. If I owned an EV, it'd be something I would note and tuck away for future reference if my car got flooded.
Surely you're the unnamed person to whom @WhichReligionIsRight was referring with his "serial arguer" comment yesterday. 😉
semi's can go upwards of 1500-2000 miles on a single fill up....
Ford had to raise the price of their base F-150 Lightning due to supply constraints, etc.
finance.yahoo.com
Why Ford had ‘no choice’ but to raise F-150 Lightning prices again: Analyst
For the second time in two months, Ford has hiked the price of its electric F-150 Lightning pickup. Although this time it’s just for the base Pro model, the price hike of around 11% sends the base model to $51,974, from $46,974 before any federal or state tax credits.
I thought Tesla didn't market or advertise.
This (https://www.tesla.com/semi) sure looks an awful lot like marketing and advertising.
Couldn't help but notice that Tesla chose to use specific months in 2022, ending in June, for diesel pricing in their estimated fuel cost savings. June 2022 being the peak price for diesel prices in CA going all the way back to 1996. (https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMD_EPD2D_PTE_SCA_DPG&f=M)
No attempt to propagandize (i.e. lie) there at all. Nooooooo. 🙂
Oh, and Cap'n Crunch Berries is the best. <--- that's me being a cereal arguer.
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Don't they have to stop along the way and isn't there a limit on the time a driver can drive?
somewhere between 10-14 hours of driving allowed per day. if assumed at 60mph, that's 600-840 miles.
The commencement of Semi deliveries is massively bullish for Tesla. We now know that 4680 batteries are finally hitting scale production and Tesla is no longer cell constrained. Cybertruck will also use 4680s and production should also be on schedule.
Businesses that move freight via semi would literally need to be braindead not to purchase an electric semi. Over the lifetime of the truck, we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars in savings from fuel, service and maintenance per vehicle. There are safety benefits of an electric semi as well. Electric motors are much quicker to respond to a sudden change in road conditions. Throw in a reduction in traffic as an electric semi has much faster acceleration and is able to maintain highway speeds up steep grades. All great news as we transition to electric transportation.
Businesses that move freight via semi would literally need to be braindead not to purchase an electric semi. Over the lifetime of the truck, we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars in savings from fuel, service and maintenance per vehicle. There are safety benefits of an electric semi as well. Electric motors are much quicker to respond to a sudden change in road conditions. Throw in a reduction in traffic as an electric semi has much faster acceleration and is able to maintain highway speeds up steep grades. All great news as we transition to electric transportation.
What % of US semis are doing those figures?
https://www.bts.dot.gov/sites/bts.dot.gov/files/docs/FFF_2017_Full_June2018revision.pdf
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Unless they're going to be doing the reverse pony express by changing drivers the truck could be recharged while the driver is pulled over to rest and eat.
