OT: Electric vehicles

[RUevolution36]

What % of US semis are doing those figures?

https://www.bts.dot.gov/sites/bts.dot.gov/files/docs/FFF_2017_Full_June2018revision.pdf

NYT article mentions 550k long haul drivers in the US. So...that many would want lots of miles.

Arcades, Churches and Laundromats: A Trucker’s Haven on the Precipice of Change

As truck drivers are forced to adapt to increasing difficulties on the road, the support system that serves them is at risk of disappearing.

www.nytimes.com

Unless they're going to be doing the reverse pony express by changing drivers the truck could be recharged while the driver is pulled over to rest and eat.

How Many Miles Is a Truck Driver Allowed to Drive in One Day?

How many miles are drivers allowed to drive a day? We’ll discuss the federal rules and realistic expectations so you know how far your freight can travel.

www.atsinc.com

This trucking company says for drivers to assume 500 miles per day. So, unless you're going from 100% charge to 0% charge and assuming the risk of running out of charge before you get to your destination, that won't fly. and, this doesn't account for the fact that truck drivers will also drive to the limit of their hours, then pull over on the side of the highway to sleep. no charging station there.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Tesla is actively installing Megachargers at their customer's facilities as well. Semis will charge during loading/unloading.

https://insideevs.com/news/559293/tesla-installs-first-megachargers-fritolay/

For the naysayers, I'm pretty sure major corporations like Pepsi did their homework on electric trucks.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

Why is everything about EVs an angry competition to you? There's literally nothing to argue about in the news of some water-damaged EVs catching fire. It's just news. If I owned an EV, it'd be something I would note and tuck away for future reference if my car got flooded.

Surely you're the unnamed person to whom @WhichReligionIsRight was referring with his "serial arguer" comment yesterday. 😉

BellyFullofWhiteDogCrap is very unhinged. It doesn't take much to trigger him!

BTW BellyFullofWhiteDogCrap you never answered my question regarding your name. What is the Story behind the BFOWDC name? There has to be a story, please share with us.

 

[Ty Webb]

BellyFullofWhiteDogCrap is very unhinged. It doesn't take much to trigger him!

BTW BellyFullofWhiteDogCrap you never answered my question regarding your name. What is the Story behind the BFOWDC name? There has to be a story, please share with us.

It's from a movie - Step Brothers. Will Ferrell's character, at one point says to his dad, "I got a belly full of white dog crap in me and now you lay this shit on me?"

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

500mi range right? Does that mean their going to be short haulers?

How far would a Pepsi truck (vehicle class 8-14) travel in a day - from the bottler to warehouses? I suspect Pepsi Co knows what they are doing here. There are plenty of conditions where the heavy-heavy trucks travel under 500 miles a day. Not all doing long-haul duty - in fact, only a minority of the large trucks travel over 500 miles a day.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Unless they're going to be doing the reverse pony express by changing drivers the truck could be recharged while the driver is pulled over to rest and eat.

No - that is not widely done.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

Truckers are limited to 14 hours of driving per day. Nobody is going 1,500 miles in a day.

Not True! I saw Smokey and The Bandit do it back in 1977.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

NYT article mentions 550k long haul drivers in the US. So...that many would want lots of miles.

Arcades, Churches and Laundromats: A Trucker’s Haven on the Precipice of Change

As truck drivers are forced to adapt to increasing difficulties on the road, the support system that serves them is at risk of disappearing.

www.nytimes.com

How Many Miles Is a Truck Driver Allowed to Drive in One Day?

How many miles are drivers allowed to drive a day? We’ll discuss the federal rules and realistic expectations so you know how far your freight can travel.

www.atsinc.com

This trucking company says for drivers to assume 500 miles per day. So, unless you're going from 100% charge to 0% charge and assuming the risk of running out of charge before you get to your destination, that won't fly. and, this doesn't account for the fact that truck drivers will also drive to the limit of their hours, then pull over on the side of the highway to sleep. no charging station there.

The Tesla semi-trucks are not going to appeal to long-haul truckers. Yet. That said, there are lots of use cases for heavy-heavies that begin and end their days at the same location. Trucks have basically two uses - freight and delivery. Freight is more of the long-haul where the trucks are in a different location each day. The delivery trucks come back to the same location. There are many more heavy-heavy trucks that fall into the delivery category than long-haul. So the potential market for electric trucks is huge.

As a sidebar, one area where electric trucks can make a big difference is operating in and out of port facilities. The bigger ports are huge generators of large trucks. There is potential for substantial local air quality improvements by replacing diesel trucks with electric trucks. Not CO2 just improvements, but improvements to the amount of toxic emissions and fine particulate matter.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Came across this tweet and I think it relates to our recent discussion re: EV mandates. For the record Tesla will produce ~1.4 million units this year. These mandates are meaningless

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

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For those wondering, this beast will create a single, giant casting for the front and rear underbody of the Cybertruck. Tesla already uses a smaller (relatively speaking) press for the Model Y. This process eliminates ~80% of the parts/robots/welds and time within the body shop of a typical auto manufacturing plant. Once delivered, it will take a few months for this giant press to be reassembled and tested. Hopefully, Cybertruck production will begin mid 2023.

 

[RUpop]

My wife will be looking at the PHEV Hyundai Tucson.

We are cautious and slow buyers so it could be quite the bit down the road before we actually buy

Order now, it'll take months to get anyway.

 

[RUpop]

Biden has released so much oil from SPR, he is like a teenager with a credit card. It’s unreal.

Thats what its there for...

 

[RUevolution36]

'It's a scam': Even after $100 billion, self-driving cars are going nowhere

Six years after companies started offering autonomous rides and almost 20 years after the first self-driving demos, there are few AVs on the road. Why?

www.autoblog.com

 

[mildone]

'It's a scam': Even after $100 billion, self-driving cars are going nowhere

Six years after companies started offering autonomous rides and almost 20 years after the first self-driving demos, there are few AVs on the road. Why?

www.autoblog.com

Interesting article. Funny how honest people can become when they aren’t selling something.

All the people who work on this stuff know it isn’t close to working, or close to safe. But they get paid lots of money to keep working on it. So they keep their mouths shut.

It will happen at some point. But not tomorrow.

 

[jtung230]

500 mile range for a semi is really short. Probably will be used for very specific routs only.

 

[RUpop]

Interesting article. Funny how honest people can become when they aren’t selling something.

All the people who work on this stuff know it isn’t close to working, or close to safe. But they get paid lots of money to keep working on it. So they keep their mouths shut.

It will happen at some point. But not tomorrow.

Love my electric car but there’s no way I’m using any autonomous features anytime soon.

 

[mildone]

This blurb from the article on the upcoming Kia EV9 (which looks pretty nice, IMO), linked below, made me chuckle…

“For example, the brand’s design team told us that the EV9 Concept’s styling is ‘inspired by water.’ No, we couldn’t figure that one out either. Normally, when water is this solid and blocky, it’s bobbing around the Arctic Ocean with a family of polar bears riding on it.”

Futuristic new Kia EV9 SUV: the electric seven-seater in detail

CAR magazine UK reveals details of the new Kia EV9 electric SUV, with pictures, specs and more

www.carmagazine.co.uk

 

[RUevolution36]

EVs add to electricity demand, but not as much as you might think - Autoblog

After calls not to charge during peak demand in California, people are worried about the grid's ability to support EVs, here's a look at the numbers.

www.autoblog.com

 

[mildone]

EVs add to electricity demand, but not as much as you might think - Autoblog

After calls not to charge during peak demand in California, people are worried about the grid's ability to support EVs, here's a look at the numbers.

www.autoblog.com

Actually, the headline is misleading, from my point of view at least.

Because a 27% addition to the global electricity demand, at a time when there are other simultaneous drivers (no pun intended) also increasing electricity demand (such as increasing global population), is a actually more than I would've thought, not less. It represents a very significant increase in a relatively short amount of time.

Estimates for how quickly EVs will comprise the vast majority of global vehicles aren't particularly deterministic and won't be until we're much closer to whatever specified future date one's considering. So this is all somewhat theoretical, at least in terms of timing.

But I also found it odd that the article started out talking about CA, then leapt right to global numbers. I'm not really sure what the value is of talking about this stuff globally. CA's situation will be very different than many, probably most, other regions in the world. It's seems pretty much impossible to accurately generalize political impacts, socioeconomic impacts, adoption rates, etc. across the globe.

IMO, discussions of EV adoption and the impacts of added electricity requirements are most meaningful when considered as localized things, where all the various contributing factors are different from locale to locale.

 

[fsg2]

New world acceleration record set (by an EV, of course) at 0-62 mph in 1.4 seconds and change.

Non-street-legal track car but always cool to see new records like this, imo.

Tiny EV Hits 62 MPH (100 KM/H) In 1.461 Seconds To Set New World Record

The 20-student GreenTeam from the University of Stuttgart built a quad-motor bespoke electric single-seater that weighs almost nothing and goes like stink.

www.motor1.com

 

[mildone]

New world acceleration record set (by an EV, of course) at 0-62 mph in 1.4 seconds and change.

Non-street-legal track car but always cool to see new records like this, imo.

Tiny EV Hits 62 MPH (100 KM/H) In 1.461 Seconds To Set New World Record

The 20-student GreenTeam from the University of Stuttgart built a quad-motor bespoke electric single-seater that weighs almost nothing and goes like stink.

www.motor1.com

So that made me curious about similar type one-off purpose built acceleration-type thrills, and I came across the Do-dodonpa roller coaster in Fuji-Q Highland Park, Japan. It runs at "super-death" speeds, by which they apparently mean, 0-125mph in 1.5s. 😲

However, don't race to book your flight to Japan to ride it. It's been shut down, probably permanently, because riders were breaking bones in their spines.

The Terrifying History Of Do Dodonpa: Japan’s Fastest Roller Coaster

Do Dodonpa was the fastest accelerating rollercoaster in the world, until it shut down due to riders breaking their backs. Woah.

indie88.com

Ouch.

 

[fsg2]

Yikes!

 

[mildone]

Yikes!

I know, right?

 

[fsg2]

I know, right?

Sounds like an exaggerated headline description.

"Going Japanese on spine-snapping rollercoaster."

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Lightning interior review:

 

[RUevolution36]

Many U.S. drivers treat partially automated cars as self-driving -study

Drivers using advanced driver assistance systems like Tesla Autopilot or General Motors Super Cruise often treat their vehicles as fully self-driving despite warnings, a new study has found.

www.reuters.com

 

[theRU]

Correct. You only get a credit for the tax that you owe. If you are getting a refund you don't owe anything.

Nonrefundable Tax Credit: Definition, How It Works, and Benefits

A nonrefundable tax credit is a tax credit that can only reduce a taxpayer’s liability to zero.

www.investopedia.com

I didn't read through all the replies but I hope you have been corrected because this is wrong... Your refund has nothing to do with tax liability, that's simply the delta between what you rightfully owe in tax vs what has been withheld. The credit means you will owe less at the end of the year, so if you make 100k, and owe 30 in tax, your credit knocks down the 30... If you withheld 30, you get a refund. If you withheld zero, then you owe less at end of the year.

Scary people still don't know how this works

 

[mildone]

Many U.S. drivers treat partially automated cars as self-driving -study

Drivers using advanced driver assistance systems like Tesla Autopilot or General Motors Super Cruise often treat their vehicles as fully self-driving despite warnings, a new study has found.

www.reuters.com

I suspect this is based on the same findings…

Shocking: People Who Buy 'Semi-Autonomous' Cars Pay Less Attention While Driving

"I paid extra for this driver assist, and by God, I'm gonna let it do the work for me."

jalopnik.com

Those “features“ should be banned. They are clearly a mistake.

 

[RUevolution36]

I suspect this is based on the same findings…

Shocking: People Who Buy 'Semi-Autonomous' Cars Pay Less Attention While Driving

"I paid extra for this driver assist, and by God, I'm gonna let it do the work for me."

jalopnik.com

Those “features“ should be banned. They are clearly a mistake.

likely from the same findings for sure. but cue the "it saves lives" crowd to argue otherwise.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Many U.S. drivers treat partially automated cars as self-driving -study

Drivers using advanced driver assistance systems like Tesla Autopilot or General Motors Super Cruise often treat their vehicles as fully self-driving despite warnings, a new study has found.

www.reuters.com

Shouldn't there also be a study/survey of drivers not using ADAS that eat, text, take eyes off the road...etc? Would you agree the decisions to ban/allow ADAS should be data driven?

 

[RUevolution36]

Shouldn't there also be a study/survey of drivers not using ADAS that eat, text, take eyes off the road...etc? Would you agree the decisions to ban/allow ADAS should be data driven?

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

When you can't answer 2 legitimate questions honestly, resort to trolling. Well played.

 

[mildone]

When you can't answer 2 legitimate questions honestly, resort to trolling. Well played.

It's not an honest question and he's not trolling; you are.

If it's critically important to the tech that drivers pay close attention and remain fully alert, and we all agree that it is, then what these studies show very clearly is that this partial automatic driving is too dangerous because human drivers cannot do what we all agree is critically important for safety.

Stop letting marketing hype be your guide to technology adoption where lives hang in the balance.

 

[OntheBanks]

I didn't read through all the replies but I hope you have been corrected because this is wrong... Your refund has nothing to do with tax liability, that's simply the delta between what you rightfully owe in tax vs what has been withheld. The credit means you will owe less at the end of the year, so if you make 100k, and owe 30 in tax, your credit knocks down the 30... If you withheld 30, you get a refund. If you withheld zero, then you owe less at end of the year.

Scary people still don't know how this works

I just redid last years 1040 including the form 8936 and schedule 3 and you are correct. I would have received a larger refund last year and therefore I should receive a refund for this years taxes.
However, if I do everything the same I will not receive the full amount of EV credit. I'm considering if it would be worthwhile to bring up my tax liability by withdrawing more from my IRA and not paying tax on it. What do you or others think?

 

[Rutgers Chris]

It's not an honest question and he's not trolling; you are.

If it's critically important to the tech that drivers pay close attention and remain fully alert, and we all agree that it is, then what these studies show very clearly is that this partial automatic driving is too dangerous because human drivers cannot do what we all agree is critically important for safety.

Stop letting marketing hype be your guide to technology adoption where lives hang in the balance.

I pass a young woman on 295 about twice a week, left lane doing 70-75 mph, doing her makeup in her visor mirror. I’d rather be behind someone on autopilot or driver assist. The tech isn’t the problem, as usual, people are the problem.

 

[RUevolution36]

I pass a young woman on 295 about twice a week, left lane doing 70-75 mph, doing her makeup in her visor mirror. I’d rather be behind someone on autopilot or driver assist. The tech isn’t the problem, as usual, people are the problem.

that is the whole point that the study has found. despite warnings and instructions that ppl have to pay attention and be involved, even with these systems active, there is a significant number who don't and expect the car to drive itself.

 

[theRU]

I just redid last years 1040 including the form 8936 and schedule 3 and you are correct. I would have received a larger refund last year and therefore I should receive a refund for this years taxes.
However, if I do everything the same I will not receive the full amount of EV credit. I'm considering if it would be worthwhile to bring up my tax liability by withdrawing more from my IRA and not paying tax on it. What do you or others think?

Not sure what levers you have available to bring your liability up, and I'm not familiar with all the implications of ira withdrawals - but if there is no down side to it then it seems like an option.

At a high level - to receive the full value of any tax credit your liability needs to exceed the value of the credit.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

that is the whole point that the study has found. despite warnings and instructions that ppl have to pay attention and be involved, even with these systems active, there is a significant number who don't and expect the car to drive itself.

It was a survey, not a study.
I asked you 2 direct questions earlier. Would you be so kind to answer.

 

[RUevolution36]

It was a survey, not a study.
I asked you 2 direct questions earlier. Would you be so kind to answer.

i have provided my perspective many many many times on this already. you choose to argue because you don't agree. so i choose to ignore your questions because i choose not to re-enter this circle of stupidity you endeavor to take us on.