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A) meant to post that on the CE board B) that post doesn't even mention Keystone pipeline so I do not know what you are even talking about C) You really should not post when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. its not a good look.

Junior retweets something from Eddie Zipperer where he clearly mentions Keystone Pipeline. That's where Keystone Pipeline came from.
 
The post Jr retweets from Eddie Zipperer clearly mentions Keystone Pipeline.
But the Biden administration has been releasing huge amounts of oil from the SPR to lower gas prices, when that ends gas prices will go up again so DTJr. Tweet was spot on! The Biden administration is more interested in killing the american people than lowering gas prices. Vote accordingly.
 
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no this is a thread about electric vehicles and the advance of production and technology which does tie in with mandates which are poltical

instead a bunch of you who cannot have an adult discussion have resorted to throwing personal attacks my way instead of debating the issues, why would someone bring up trans or OAN in this thread...quite bizarre and quite telling who the hypocrites and babies are here

No, it really doesn't tie into that. In fact, politics are against board rules here. You have another board for that and you already started a thread there about these mandates for the three other angry old guys who care.

Feel free to talk about actual vehicles or tech. Or even complain about how EVs are negatively impacting you...in real time and space. Feel freer to leave and return your transparent routine where it belongs.
 
A) meant to post that on the CE board B) that post doesn't even mention Keystone pipeline so I do not know what you are even talking about C) You really should not post when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. its not a good look.

F*ck you. The tweet that you posted from Junior contained a retweet of somebody whining about Keystone and linking it to gas prices. That was the point of Junior's entire tweet.

Go back and look at it, dumbass. Then maybe give yourself a time out.
 
F*ck you. The tweet that you posted from Junior contained a retweet of somebody whining about Keystone and linking it to gas prices. That was the point of Junior's entire tweet.

Go back and look at it, dumbass. Then maybe give yourself a time out.
Temper, Temper!
 
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But the Biden administration has been releasing huge amounts of oil from the SPR to lower gas prices, when that ends gas prices will go up again so DTJr. Tweet was spot on! The Biden administration is more interested in killing the american people than lowering gas prices. Vote accordingly.

This is simple. You went off on another poster claiming where did he get Keystone from?

It was in the post you linked. You apparently didn’t read it.
 
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You are attempting to redefine the chart in question, which showed multiple periods of change, into a hypothetical different chart that shows only one period of change. But the chart, as it was presented and not as it could be loosely interpreted while ignoring the actual included series values, failed to exhibit exponential change across the entire series.

If you want to revise the chart, then perhaps you could create a new chart that DOES show exponential growth, perhaps by only listing decades and not a series of YOY values.
60x growth over 10 years. Growth rate this past year greater then the growth rate in the years just prior.

Aight cool its not the definition of exponential growth but It smells a lot like exponential growth.
 
But the Biden administration has been releasing huge amounts of oil from the SPR to lower gas prices, when that ends gas prices will go up again so DTJr. Tweet was spot on! The Biden administration is more interested in killing the american people than lowering gas prices. Vote accordingly.
I thought the narrative was releasing the reserves only resulted in a couple pennies reduction in gas prices?
 
60x growth over 10 years. Growth rate this past year greater then the growth rate in the years just prior.

Aight cool its not the definition of exponential growth but It smells a lot like exponential growth.
This same argument again. Exponential is easy when the starting point is low. It's more useful to look at the macro numbers in this case where sales have gone from 1% to 5%. Growth is good, but it's still only a very small fraction of the overall. I can make 1 into 2 with low effort. 200 to 400 with a little effort. 200k to 400k takes a whole lot more. Scale matters.
 
This same argument again. Exponential is easy when the starting point is low. It's more useful to look at the macro numbers in this case where sales have gone from 1% to 5%. Growth is good, but it's still only a very small fraction of the overall. I can make 1 into 2 with low effort. 200 to 400 with a little effort. 200k to 400k takes a whole lot more. Scale matters.
Except as the graph shows growth accelerated this past year compared to the prior 2 years. Total vehicles more the doubled from 3 million units to 6.6. Previous yoy was 50%ish growth. Given the number of ev factories being built similar growth is reasonably expected. Scalability is happening.
 
This same argument again. Exponential is easy when the starting point is low. It's more useful to look at the macro numbers in this case where sales have gone from 1% to 5%. Growth is good, but it's still only a very small fraction of the overall. I can make 1 into 2 with low effort. 200 to 400 with a little effort. 200k to 400k takes a whole lot more. Scale matters.

There's too much overthinking the stats, here.

There's only one number that counts enough to care about, and that's the EV percentage of new cars sold. It's the only number that manufacturers look at _and not just for EVs, but for every model in the lineup).
 
Biden has released so much oil from SPR, he is like a teenager with a credit card. It’s unreal.
Wait until we have to refill the SPR after the price goes up due to OPEC cutting production by 2 Million barrels a day.
 
So it helped bring down gas prices?
Yes it did to help the democrats in the mid terms but the saudis and OPEC+ just took a big sloppy dump on Biden and are cutting daily production by 2 million barrels a day. Prices of oil are going up it’s time to go long.
 
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Wait until we have to refill the SPR after the price goes up due to OPEC cutting production by 2 Million barrels a day.
I read an article that is was a reduction in the quota production and they already are not reaching the current quota production number. The 2 million barrels per day quota cut is still above their actual current production
 
I read an article that is was a reduction in the quota production and they already are not reaching the current quota production number. The 2 million barrels per day quota cut is still above their actual current production
What kind of bullshit is this you are trying to spin. EVERY news report says that it is a 2 million barrel per day production cut…full stop! Let’s see the article.
 
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What kind of bullshit is this you are trying to spin. EVERY news report says that it is a 2 million barrel per day production cut…full stop! Let’s see the article.
Go away and play in your Leiipold thread. This thread was fine until.you and horse boy jumped in here starting trouble. The fact is whether you like it or not EV is a growing market segment that will continue to grow. But idiots like you will take your uninformed right wing memes amd misinformation and throw stones. People switch to EVs for more reasons than climate change. There are many other benefits to EVs over ICE vehicles that motivate people to buy them.
 
Here you go EV and climate boi’s this how the press manipulates the data to fit the narrative of climate change. You tardz are being duped.
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Go away and play in your Leiipold thread. This thread was fine until.you and horse boy jumped in here starting trouble. The fact is whether you like it or not EV is a growing market segment that will continue to grow. But idiots like you will take your uninformed right wing memes amd misinformation and throw stones. People switch to EVs for more reasons than climate change. There are many other benefits to EVs over ICE vehicles that motivate people to buy them.
Hahaha! I guess you do not like to hear dissenting facts. Ok if not for climate change what benefits are there to owning EV’s?
 
Hahaha! I guess you do not like to hear dissenting facts. Ok if not for climate change what benefits are there to owning EV’s?
You are not worth my time if you don't know, and you will just continue to play your silly little stone-throwing game. You are probably still upset that there are no pay phones available. Go research it.
 
What kind of bullshit is this you are trying to spin. EVERY news report says that it is a 2 million barrel per day production cut…full stop! Let’s see the article.

Here is the link. The comment section also has it detailed



The articles buries the lead here, which is that this seems to not be a production cut but rather a quota cut. That's important because OPEC+ has lagged its production quota amounts by something like 3 million barrels a day, so total oil output is unlikely to be affected. It's meant to send a signal to the markets, but that signal can also be for countries like the US to step up its own production, which has been about 400-600K barrels per day higher than it was pre-invasion. Some of that will probably be down because of the hurricane, but the long term direction is a risk to OPEC+ because oil is stabilizing at these higher prices that make it profitable to frack.
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They are currently producing 3 million less than they say they will.
Now they are gonna promise 2 million less, meaning they are going to produce 1 million less than they say they will.
They will continue to produce the exact same amount of oil.
Despite identical production, the quota change will change prospectives and cause prices to go up.
The amount we have to pay for gas will still go up, increasing their profits despite identical production.
Do I have that right?
 
Here is the link. The comment section also has it detailed



The articles buries the lead here, which is that this seems to not be a production cut but rather a quota cut. That's important because OPEC+ has lagged its production quota amounts by something like 3 million barrels a day, so total oil output is unlikely to be affected. It's meant to send a signal to the markets, but that signal can also be for countries like the US to step up its own production, which has been about 400-600K barrels per day higher than it was pre-invasion. Some of that will probably be down because of the hurricane, but the long term direction is a risk to OPEC+ because oil is stabilizing at these higher prices that make it profitable to frack.
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They are currently producing 3 million less than they say they will.
Now they are gonna promise 2 million less, meaning they are going to produce 1 million less than they say they will.
They will continue to produce the exact same amount of oil.
Despite identical production, the quota change will change prospectives and cause prices to go up.
The amount we have to pay for gas will still go up, increasing their profits despite identical production.
Do I have that right?
Thanks for the clarification, prices are already starting to rise. I drive several state highways daily and am always paying attention to where prices are of gas in general. Since Biden announced he was going to start releasing oil from the SPR prices have come down from around $5.00/Gal to recent prices of around $3.25/gal. Today prices went up for the first time in months to around $ 3.35/gal.
 
Thanks for the clarification, prices are already starting to rise. I drive several state highways daily and am always paying attention to where prices are of gas in general. Since Biden announced he was going to start releasing oil from the SPR prices have come down from around $5.00/Gal to recent prices of around $3.25/gal. Today prices went up for the first time in months to around $ 3.35/gal.
It’s up 20 cents by me since the hurricane
 
Thanks for the clarification, prices are already starting to rise. I drive several state highways daily and am always paying attention to where prices are of gas in general. Since Biden announced he was going to start releasing oil from the SPR prices have come down from around $5.00/Gal to recent prices of around $3.25/gal. Today prices went up for the first time in months to around $ 3.35/gal.

The price of gasoline at the pump would not be on my list of considerations regarding for whom I'd be casting my vote in any US political election. In any event, while gas prices are somewhat relevant to a thread about electric vehicles, it's kind of tangential, and doing presidential blame game nonsense really doesn't belong in this thread.

Surely there are plenty of CE board threads already doing that. Do we really need to pollute this thread w/such useless drivel too?
 
The price of gasoline at the pump would not be on my list of considerations regarding for whom I'd be casting my vote in any US political election. In any event, while gas prices are somewhat relevant to a thread about electric vehicles, it's kind of tangential, and doing presidential blame game nonsense really doesn't belong in this thread.

Surely there are plenty of CE board threads already doing that. Do we really need to pollute this thread w/such useless drivel too?
One of the moderators could do their job and clean this thread up, but one of the moderators enjoys contributing to the drivel. 🤷‍♂️
 
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One of the moderators could do their job and clean this thread up, but one of the moderators enjoys contributing to the drivel. 🤷‍♂️
I'd prefer we take care of the thread, as best we can, ourselves. I'm a fan of light moderation in internet forums.

I think I made a reasonable appeal to @BROTHERSKINNY. Let's see if he will moderate himself when out here away from the CE forum. I think he can and will.
 
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I'd prefer we take care of the thread, as best we can, ourselves. I'm a fan of light moderation in internet forums.

I think I made a reasonable appeal to @BROTHERSKINNY. Let's see if he will moderate himself when out here away from the CE forum. I think he can and will.
Or we can stop arguing with him and ignore his posts. I generally agree with you on moderation, but the moderation is uneven on these boards and sometimes very weird. But we can make this forum and this thread better by being better ourselves! I will do my best, but please pick me up when I fall down.
 
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Or we can stop arguing with him and ignore his posts. I generally agree with you on moderation, but the moderation is uneven on these boards and sometimes very weird. But we can make this forum and this thread better by being better ourselves! I will do my best, but please pick me up when I fall down.
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The price of gasoline at the pump would not be on my list of considerations regarding for whom I'd be casting my vote in any US political election. In any event, while gas prices are somewhat relevant to a thread about electric vehicles, it's kind of tangential, and doing presidential blame game nonsense really doesn't belong in this thread.

Surely there are plenty of CE board threads already doing that. Do we really need to pollute this thread w/such useless drivel too?
Mildone, while I appreciate your gentile response, I do not think I am talking about anything "out of bounds" in regards to this thread. For the most part, I have kept on point keeping the subject matter focused on EV's. Yes, from time to time I diverge with a sidebar that expands the subject area to fossil fuel, US policy regarding fossil fuel, and how that affects not only gasoline prices but fuel oil, costs of goods such as plastics, fertilizers, and the list could encompass almost every product we use.
I think the bigger issue that has cropped up in the thread is there is a small but militant group of EV devotees who do not want to engage in the marketplace of ideas and that if you are not on the EV bandwagon, you are a heretic or in the larger scheme of things, a "climate denier". I will take those arrows and wear them as a badge of honor. The world does not run in a vacuum and neither does this board or any individual thread. We are all individuals just trying to make the best of our time on this little blue marble floating in the universe.
While I respect your sentiments, I don't believe I have posted anything that violates the terms of service of the board. While I know I am regularly reported to the admins, I will not waste their time reporting anyone on this board to them. I refuse to waste Richies and any of the mods valuable time to take care of something I can take care of myself by competing in the marketplace of ideas. Mildone, be well and keep on trucking. Oh, and always, Go RU!
 
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Or we can stop arguing with him and ignore his posts. I generally agree with you on moderation, but the moderation is uneven on these boards and sometimes very weird. But we can make this forum and this thread better by being better ourselves! I will do my best, but please pick me up when I fall down.
He's being paid to troll the boards. There are thousands of individuals doing this globally. Our message board is not immune to these types of attacks. We're one of the most popular boards amongst all colleges, with a vibrant CE board and plenty of off topic banter. It's the perfect place for the spread of lies and misinformation. This thread has turned toxic. I'm guilty of some poor behavior as well and will do my best to clean up my own act. I'm done responding to the paid troll....ignore.
 
He's being paid to troll the boards. There are thousands of individuals doing this globally. Our message board is not immune to these types of attacks. We're one of the most popular boards amongst all colleges, with a vibrant CE board. It's the perfect place for the spread of lies and misinformation. This thread has turned toxic. I'm guilty of some poor behavior as well and will do my best to clean up my own act. I'm done responding to the paid troll....ignore.
Hahaha! Who's paying me? If someone is paying me I have yet to see one cent of the payments. BellyFullofWhiteDogCrap I task YOU with finding my money! I will give you a 25% cut of any money you recover from my paid trolling gig that you think I have.

BTW What Does BellyFullofWhiteDogCrap mean? No one thinks of a name like that without some meaning behind it. Share it with us if you would, I am sure there is an interesting story behind it!
 
I'd prefer we take care of the thread, as best we can, ourselves. I'm a fan of light moderation in internet forums.

I think I made a reasonable appeal to @BROTHERSKINNY. Let's see if he will moderate himself when out here away from the CE forum. I think he can and will.
BTW mildone, How would you like me to "moderate" my posts? Not saying I will but since you asked, I believe in a sincere way, I would sincerely consider your recommendations.
 
Go away and play in your Leiipold thread. This thread was fine until.you and horse boy jumped in here starting trouble. The fact is whether you like it or not EV is a growing market segment that will continue to grow. But idiots like you will take your uninformed right wing memes amd misinformation and throw stones. People switch to EVs for more reasons than climate change. There are many other benefits to EVs over ICE vehicles that motivate people to buy them.

What misinformation did I post..show your work..you sound like Karine the Clown now
 
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What misinformation did I post..show your work..you sound like Karine the Clown now
lol please tell me where people are getting the money to shell out an extra 20-25K for an electric vehicle or how they will construct enough charging stations to handle a situation where they want 68% of new sales of cars to be electric by 2030

this has to do with fox news and everything to do with picking arbitrary date based on nothing but giving good feels to the progressive base. If they were really serious about it, you dont set up dates like this

Taken straight from the idiotic propaganda spewed by right wing commentators.

Nissan Leaf is $28,495 before a $7,500 tax rebate. In NJ, no sales tax, putting the price at $20,995. Find a comparable car including sales tax. The cheapest Nissan ICE is a Versa at $18,345, and with sales tax is $19,500. That is a difference of less than $1500, which would be easily made up in fuel savings.

On the higher end, I did the math somewhere in this thread between the F150 Lightning Lariat to a comparably equipped F150 Lariat ICE. The difference in price, factoring in the tax credit and no sales tax was something like $3,500, which will be easily made up with the savings on fuel in year 1.

Who's the clown now, Kaye?
 
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