Looks like it. Must be why Rivals had the outage yesterday. He probably fired half the employees and then put out a warning to the rest saying "they better be prepared to be treated like the serfs they know they are".
OT: Electric vehicles
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Munro and Associates were highly critical of the build quality of the 2017 model 3. However, during recent teardowns of the 3 and Y, the Munro team stated the build quality has improved. You're going to find panel gaps in every make and model, even in high end luxury vehicles. Does the average consumer care or even notice millimeter differences?Nah. Will take the word of two renowned automobile experts over some guy on a football message board who is wrong more than he is right.
"In this video I show you the build quality of a Ford F150 Lightening (EV) compared to the Tesla Model X Plaid. Sadly the build quality issues are still a thing with Tesla while costing twice as much as the Ford!"
Munro Team Praises the Ford F-150 Lightning Chassis, It's Built Tough but Simple
Munro Team Praises the Ford F-150 Lightning Chassis, It's Built Tough but Simple
Munro & Associates team has taken a deeper view of the Ford F-150 Lightning chassis and found that Ford’s experience in building trucks makes a differencewww.autoevolution.com
My decision to buy a Tesla wasn't based on potential panel gaps. It wasn't even on my radar. I was more impressed with the power to weight ratio of their electric motors, the highly efficient HVAC system which leads to added range, less weight compared to other EVs, the software, software updates, UI, and safety. For me, the engineering is the true "build quality".
Alamo gave me some Kia hybrid at the rental counter down in Florida recently. I didn't care what I got - I just rent a compact car typically, whatever is cheapest.
Thing got like 50 miles per gallon practically. Never drove a hybrid in my life. Seems like a far better option than this disastrous EV Kia. Yikes, who has the time for that nonsense?
Thing got like 50 miles per gallon practically. Never drove a hybrid in my life. Seems like a far better option than this disastrous EV Kia. Yikes, who has the time for that nonsense?
Tell me you've never bought a high-end luxury vehicle without telling me you've never bought a high-end luxury vehicle...
Hell, it doesn't even have to be "high end". Each of the 5 Audis I've owned has been impeccably built. There are no panel gaps. Tell your story in Ingolstadt and it's likely they'll cut a bitch.
The build quality on my Volvo is as near perfect as it gets.
Agree that the US is not quite ready for everyone to have only EV vehicles... But it also doesn't seem very bright to take a 1500 mile trip in an EV without planning in advance where to recharge and without being experienced in the real life range limitations for the vehicle.. And probably not too many people would acquire an EV now with the intent of taking many long cross country trips in it, unless they knew they had the time to stop and recharge when necessary.
Regardless, I'm still grateful for the benefits to the environment... Rome wasn't built in a day, and you have to start somewhere, even if it includes primarily shorter trips for now. Eventually they'll invent batteries that charge faster and last longer, or maybe a quick and safe battery swap system for an additional charged battery, etc..
Regardless, I'm still grateful for the benefits to the environment... Rome wasn't built in a day, and you have to start somewhere, even if it includes primarily shorter trips for now. Eventually they'll invent batteries that charge faster and last longer, or maybe a quick and safe battery swap system for an additional charged battery, etc..
How do YOU spell "rationalization"? 😉
But I agree with your point about how Teslas are built for the average consumer. Like Toyotas. Nothing wrong with being average. Most people are.
That's true.
I probably shouldn't make fun of Tesla build quality. My P car's in the shop to fix the analog gas gauge, which has been suffering bouts of schizophrenia lately. Sometimes it shows I have a tank and a half of gas when I actually am near empty. Sometimes it shows empty when I actually just filled the tank. Sometimes it's spot on.
I endured some justifiable mockery over this by one of my friends during my Superbowl party, when I mentioned I was dropping the car off at the shop the next day. "You paid such and such for a car and the gas gauge doesn't even work?" was the just the start of her mini-rant. 😀
Now that I think about it, I was in the midst of serving her some 18 year old scotch while she was mocking me and/or my car, introducing even more comic irony into the situation. 🤣
But then she brought brie-bread to the party which is the way to my heart (which gets that much closer to stopping after consuming it). So I'm not complaining. I love brie bread. Mmmmmm.
My brother-in-law solved this problem brilliantly.
He paid upwards of a quarter mil for his DB11, what with all of the wild (and generally accurate) tales of Brit build quality and reliability. God only knows what could possibly go wrong with this thing. The solution? He doesn't drive it. Sort of the Schrödinger's Theory of Vehicle Reliability.
I suppose that's one way to ensure reliability.
I'm just under 40K miles now, and a few days past 4 years. Other than this recent gas gauge thing, I only had one other thing, where there felt like a slight wobble that turned out to be due to wheel weights that fell off (how that can happen, I have no idea).
Considering how hard it's been driven, I feel like it's been very reliable. Knock on wood. I've been changing the oil and filter, or having them changed, at about half the recommended interval. Probably a waste, but it can't hurt.
For me, I wanted a truck that looked like a truck and was made by a company with a long history of building quality trucks. I also wanted one that was going to be available asap. That ruled Tesla CT out. The comparison Munro with the Rivian was revealing.
This is actually a fair criticism of EVs and why I believe a plug-in hybrid household is the best solution right now. Zero emissions local driving, unfettered long range capability in all weather and conditions.
I couldn't bring myself to touch a "Stellantis" beyond a test drive, but the Ram 1500 Rev looks good along those lines too.
Mobility study cites roadblocks for U.S. electric vehicles, sustainable aviation
Automakers may not be able to build as many electric vehicles as they would like — and consumer demand for those EVs may not materialize as quickly as anticipated — if government and industry do not address and resolve a convergence of issues, a new study released on Tuesday said.
www.reuters.com
The study in the article seems to support what some of us have been saying. We think EVs are a fine technology that can help some with the environment. But they aren't perfect and there are likely to be a number of adoption-delaying issues.Mobility study cites roadblocks for U.S. electric vehicles, sustainable aviation
Automakers may not be able to build as many electric vehicles as they would like — and consumer demand for those EVs may not materialize as quickly as anticipated — if government and industry do not address and resolve a convergence of issues, a new study released on Tuesday said.
I do not believe many, if any, of the various state-declared deadlines for adoption will be met. Nonetheless, it still makes sense, to me, to create lofty adoption goals in order to push the process along at an accelerated rate.
i just wanted to share, as certain folks in this thread think that the rest of us are fist-waving-at-the-sky luddites and our concerns are unfounded.
It Is certainly true that we have some EV extremists in the thread who seem unable to tolerate the variety of viewpoints different than their own.
I wonder, sometimes, if the "it MUST be EVs" folks realize how similar they are to the "it MUST NOT be EVs" folks.
EVs are a work in progress, they must not be considered the only means of transportation at this time .
But the EV industry needs to be given every help needed to become the type of transportation everyone wants to buy and feel safe driving cross country in an EV.
The claims against using fossil fuel might have some merit, but until the EV battery technology improves , ranting against gas./diesel fuel vehicles is just blowing smoke
trying to turn attention away from a major EV problem
Phil Murphy wants to end all gas powered car sales in NJ by 2035.. seems realistic
www.inquirer.com
New Jersey plans to require all new cars be zero emission by 2035, says Gov. Murphy
The governor also set goals to electrify buildings, proposed rules for flood protection, and announced grants for heavy-duty electric vehicles.
www.inquirer.com
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Not what that link says.Phil Murphy wants everyone in NJ in an EV by 2035.. seems realistic
N.J. will now target 100% clean energy, require all-electric cars by 2035, Murphy says
Some were critical Wednesday about how exactly New Jersey will reach those goals and questioned what progress the state has made so far.www.nj.com
A quick Google search for any luxury brand and build quality might help you. No car is going to be perfect.
And again, to each their own. For me, features & function > near perfect build.
Just be careful. Long history of building quality trucks isn't the same as building quality EVs. Every OEM is stumbling through electrification. For your sake, I hope the Ford production halt isn't too serious
Detroit to Orlando in a Kia EV6.
8 charging stops. None longer than 23 minutes at any charger.
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=d1daa6a7-e97b-4143-9c1e-4fda00fb8395
Beware of these "EV charging nightmare" stories. They're bullshit. And if this couple stayed at a hotel with destination charging, the trip could be 1 or 2 less stops. The New York Times ran a similar EV hit piece where the author of the article intentionally drove out of her way to avoid DC fast chargers.
Didn't read the story, but it's non-debatable that an ICE-equipped vehicle is superior for a road trip.
What happens when the hotel doesn’t have enough chargers for all their guests with EVs on a given night? Or are they just running extension cords out to cars with batteries?
The story is disingenuous. That's the point.
Don't generalize that ICE vehicles are superior for road trips. I could say it's "non-debatable" that EVs are superior for road trips when it comes to cost. Some people might not want to redline it across the country. Did the route and charging stops I linked seem like a "nightmare scenario"?
This is individual preference so not worth debating. My point is the original story is complete bullshit and unfortunately, it's one of many similar EV hit pieces.
Parts defect is not the same as built quality.
We had this Kia as a loaner while having repairs on Tesla (someone backed into to the car and caught one of the front cameras with their tow hitch). I can report the Kia is a total POS compared to the Tesla Model Y. I had anxiety driving this three miles - forget about 1,500 miles.
Ok, thanks, but I never said that.
Sounds like Ford has an engineering problem. Good thing this was caught early. A little f-up now could have been a major f-up down the road if this wasn't detected.
That’s how it is in some CA neighborhoods. Extension cords all over the sidewalks
You responded to me, home bro. I was never talking about the original story. I have zero interest in that kind of social media-derived "look at me" editorializing to begin with.
The disadvantage EVs have for road tripping is a valid concern, with or without those type of stories.
Can't imagine it's all that prevalent, no? I mean, that would suck. No more bike riding or skateboarding on sidewalks.
He's never going to acknowledge that reality. It's like it would cause him pain to do so or something.
Doesn't everyone want to sit in the parking lot of a target or panera for 30 mins every few hours?
My wife's niece has 2 kids under 2. Her husband told me that the best thing about his Model 3 is that he can sneak off to the mall for an hour every couple of days to charge his car.
30 min every few hours? That’s like saying it takes 30 min to fill up on the tpk because of the lines.
