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OT: Electric vehicles

mildone said:
Being a moderator doesn’t mean not having or voicing opinions, no matter how much we might disagree with them.

A moderator is supposed to enforce rules and, where necessary, act to deescalate conversation. While I agree with you that the memes in question are dumb, as most memes generally are, I don’t think they violated any rules or exacerbated anything in any problematic way.

OTOH, insulting people‘s intelligence IS actually against the rules. And he and other mods let it go most of the time (even when it’s aimed at them) where it doesn’t escalate things too much, which it rarely does here. IMO, that‘s pretty good moderation.

Just my opinion.
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Should mean not trolling, though. Which is all that was.

He seems like a car guy. Could probably contribute something of substance rather than lame memes.

I agree the first one was pretty funny, tho ... laughing half-drunk Don Draper is just a brillianr blank canvas of fun.
 
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fsg2 said:
Should mean not trolling, though. Which is all that was.

He seems like a car guy. Could probably contribute something of substance rather than lame memes.

I agree the first one was pretty funny, tho ... laughing half-drunk Don Draper is just a brillianr blank canvas of fun.
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Just about everybody does a little trolling, now and then. Never you or I, of course. 😀
 
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RUevolution36 said:
Software is never finished. However, shipping software into production means that it has been fully tested and passes all acceptance criteria for that release. "Not crashing into things and people" is a pretty persistent, non controversial requirement for an MVP. But FSD gets shipped anyway, despite not being able to pass that test.
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What are your test requirements?
 
jtung230 said:
@Knight Shift went off roading today. Put the truck in off-road mode with locked diff. It was a very muddy trail. The truck did well with stock all terrain tires. It did slide here and there but was never in any threat of being stuck.
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I'm having a heck of a time connecting to my charge station app. Did a factory reset. No go. Doing a hard restart, by powering off for 40 minutes, per Ford support.
BTW, read some interesting threads in the wake of the battery issue, which looks like it may be a minor/isolated issue, on charging rates and charge %. Advisable to charge to max charge of 90% of capacity and to charge slowly as possible when at home. I had already dialed down by charge station from 80 amps to 60 amps, but did not realize I could control this in the charging app. That led to an hour plus time drain of trying to connect to the app, doing a factor reset by taking the cover off the charging station and then calling Ford.

All in all, still very happy. Not driving much. Just got back from one vacation, heading out on another. The plan was to get out of cold/snowy NJ in February. It's beautiful here, and scheduled to snow some more later this week in Sedona, where we are headed.
 
Knight Shift said:
I'm having a heck of a time connecting to my charge station app. Did a factory reset. No go. Doing a hard restart, by powering off for 40 minutes, per Ford support.
BTW, read some interesting threads in the wake of the battery issue, which looks like it may be a minor/isolated issue, on charging rates and charge %. Advisable to charge to max charge of 90% of capacity and to charge slowly as possible when at home. I had already dialed down by charge station from 80 amps to 60 amps, but did not realize I could control this in the charging app. That led to an hour plus time drain of trying to connect to the app, doing a factor reset by taking the cover off the charging station and then calling Ford.

All in all, still very happy. Not driving much. Just got back from one vacation, heading out on another. The plan was to get out of cold/snowy NJ in February. It's beautiful here, and scheduled to snow some more later this week in Sedona, where we are headed.
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Ignorance is bliss. I just keep doing the same. I have the SR. Less options with the home charger.
 
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RU4Real said:
Oh for f*cks sake...

You really don't know anything about this, do you? I mean, not a single thing.
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I think at this point even he knows he's way out of his depth but for whatever reason, he can't stop playing gotcha.

None of us are beating up on Tesla. None of us are being unfair to Tesla. We had nothing to do with the recall. None of us (talking about the recall right now) are anti-EV and I'm pretty sure all of us think that EVs will wind up being a net positive for humanity.

Hell, I own Tesla stock so I obviously want the company to do well. But I also don't want to see cars (Tesla or otherwise) self-driving themselves into people. Not sure why he keeps insisting there's no problem when it's in his own best interest for the problem to be acknowledged (as it has been w/the recall) and corrected.
 
Driver dead, passenger and four firefighters injured in Tesla crash. No info yet on the cause of the crash, but the fire truck was at the scene of a prior incident when struck by the Tesla.

techcrunch.com

NHTSA requests info after Tesla crashes into fire truck

U.S. regulators have requested information from Tesla after one of its vehicles crashed into a fire truck, killing the driver instantly.
techcrunch.com techcrunch.com
 
Yet another self-driving system that stupidly requires the full attention of a driver whose attention is being systematically deflected. (See @BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap, it is NOT just Tesla I point out shouldn’t be doing this insanely dumb thing.)

www.caranddriver.com

2024 Mercedes-Benz EQS Sedan and S-Class Will Debut Drive Pilot in the U.S.

Mercedes' Level 3 autonomous system, which allows conditional hands-free driving, is the first approved for use in the U.S.—starting with Nevada and California.
www.caranddriver.com www.caranddriver.com
 
mildone said:
Yet another self-driving system that stupidly requires the full attention of a driver whose attention is being systematically deflected. (See @BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap, it is NOT just Tesla I point out shouldn’t be doing this insanely dumb thing.)

www.caranddriver.com

2024 Mercedes-Benz EQS Sedan and S-Class Will Debut Drive Pilot in the U.S.

Mercedes' Level 3 autonomous system, which allows conditional hands-free driving, is the first approved for use in the U.S.—starting with Nevada and California.
www.caranddriver.com www.caranddriver.com
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Years ago, it really seemed like there was some industry momentum, at least among a subset of major automakers, to skip level 3 and hold out for 4 for essentially the reason you're stating. That does not seem to be the case anymore.
 
BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
Lol...makes 2 of us. You're awesome at insults, but not so good at explaining. Passes all acceptance criteria for that release. What does that mean?
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more evidence that you should be avoiding talking about how software is built. you don't have a clue, yet you still try to talk down to folks who work in that field.
 
fsg2 said:
Years ago, it really seemed like there was some industry momentum, at least among a subset of major automakers, to skip level 3 and hold out for 4 for essentially the reason you're stating. That does not seem to be the case anymore.
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I assume it's fear of competition driving it. A lot of people buying cars are wowed by the tech. This is tech and sounds great to folks who might sit in traffic or whatever. So I understand why the automotive companies are pushing it.

It's up to the federal or, more likely the state, government(s) to push back and disallow it so it's no longer a competition forcing everybody to participate.
 
Knight Shift said:
Anyone ready for an electric boat?

electrek.co

Legacy boatbuilder Chris-Craft unveils 133 kWh electric boat concept at Miami Boat Show

Veteran boatbuilder Chris-Craft kicked off this year’s Miami International Boat Show by unveiling its first-ever all-electric boat concept. The Launch...
electrek.co electrek.co

How about an air taxi?


electrek.co

First electric air taxi takes flight around New York City

Blade Air Mobility and BETA Technologies announced Tuesday that they successfully tested the first electric vertical take-off and landing (eVTOL),...
electrek.co electrek.co
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Electric boat - sure. Not sure I’m ready for any sort of air taxi.
 
Knight Shift said:
I'm having a heck of a time connecting to my charge station app. Did a factory reset. No go. Doing a hard restart, by powering off for 40 minutes, per Ford support.
BTW, read some interesting threads in the wake of the battery issue, which looks like it may be a minor/isolated issue, on charging rates and charge %. Advisable to charge to max charge of 90% of capacity and to charge slowly as possible when at home. I had already dialed down by charge station from 80 amps to 60 amps, but did not realize I could control this in the charging app. That led to an hour plus time drain of trying to connect to the app, doing a factor reset by taking the cover off the charging station and then calling Ford.

All in all, still very happy. Not driving much. Just got back from one vacation, heading out on another. The plan was to get out of cold/snowy NJ in February. It's beautiful here, and scheduled to snow some more later this week in Sedona, where we are headed.
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My custom trailer hitch cover (profile pic) got bent when I was off roading. Guess I was having too much fun.
 
Andy117 said:
You don't know anyone who's gotten nailed for that? I know of quite a few.
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Got that once. There's an intersection in Asbury Park at the end of Kingsley, heading North. At the end at Wesley Lake, if you stop at the stop line, you can't see to the left, and there is a lot of room after the stop line before you are in the flow of traffic coming from the left. Full stopped with my rear wheels on the stop line so I could see to the left. Proceeded. Got stopped and read the riot act on how I ran the stop sign. I tried to explain, to no avail. Fortunately, I had a get out of jail free card, and I left with a warning.
 
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Knight Shift said:
Got that once. There's an intersection in Asbury Park at the end of Kingsley, heading North. At the end at Wesley Lake, if you stop at the stop line, you can't see to the left, and there is a lot of room after the stop line before you are in the flow of traffic coming from the left. Full stopped with my rear wheels on the stop line so I could see to the left. Proceeded. Got stopped and read the riot act on how I ran the stop sign. I tried to explain, to no avail. Fortunately, I had a get out of jail free card, and I left with a warning.
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In your case, you didn't have clear visibility. Doesn't really apply to the FSD beta update situation.

And yes, to answer @Andy117 , I have heard of instances where people got nailed for rolling stops, but again, FSD beta was only doing this when there was clear visibility in all directions.
 
Another case of automotive software released with serious bugs.

jalopnik.com

A Software Update Made the Hyundai Ioniq 5 Dangerously Slow in Eco Mode

The problem began with an update to improve battery conditioning on 2022 and 2023 models. The automaker promises to release a fix next week.
jalopnik.com jalopnik.com

It used to be that ECUs were programmed once per car generation and that was it. So manufacturers made sure they got stuff as right as was humanly possible.

Now automakers are pushing software releases out onto the road, touting OTA updates as if that was a good thing. But what it mostly is is a mechanism that encourages the same kind of short development cycles desktop software venders followed for years, producing notoriously buggy software to this day.

Most desktop software bugs are obviously not as problematic as bugs in the software that operates cars. At least in terms of safety, that is. Software bugs can cause a huge amount of financial damage. But automotive software bugs can cause crashes and injure or kill people.

I am not a fan of overly intrusive government regulation. But in this case, I think the government needs to step in and create some laws that enact more oversight into the world of automotive software. Create some regulation and create some new, private, independent testing companies to validate releases of automotive software, funded by automotive companies.

I'd prefer automotive companies police themselves. But it seems they aren't doing a good job of it right now.
 
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mildone said:
Another case of automotive software released with serious bugs.

jalopnik.com

A Software Update Made the Hyundai Ioniq 5 Dangerously Slow in Eco Mode

The problem began with an update to improve battery conditioning on 2022 and 2023 models. The automaker promises to release a fix next week.
jalopnik.com jalopnik.com

It used to be that ECUs were programmed once per car generation and that was it. So manufacturers made sure they got stuff as right as was humanly possible.

Now automakers are pushing software releases out onto the road, touting OTA updates as if that was a good thing. But what it mostly is is a mechanism that encourages the same kind of short development cycles desktop software venders followed for years, producing notoriously buggy software to this day.

Most desktop software bugs are obviously not as problematic as bugs in the software that operates cars. At least in terms of safety, that is. Software bugs can cause a huge amount of financial damage. But automotive software bugs can cause crashes and injure or kill people.

I am not a fan of overly intrusive government regulation. But in this case, I think the government needs to step in and create some laws that enact more oversight into the world of automotive software. Create some regulation and create some new, private, independent testing companies to validate releases of automotive software, funded by automotive companies.

I'd prefer automotive companies police themselves. But it seems they aren't doing a good job of it right now.
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developers treating a car the same way developers treat bug fixes and feature enablement for tiktok is dangerous.
 
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mildone said:
Exactly.

Oh, and @BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap, you'll notice that once again, I'm not singling out Tesla here. It's a growing problem seemingly across many of the manufactures, not just Tesla or the Hyundai Motor Group.
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Separate, but somewhat related...I absolutely hate the fact that auto makers are using software to limit the hardware you paid a lot of money for. "Pay us a monthly subscription or a one time fee to unlock ALL the horsepower your car was already built with" does not sit well with me.
 
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It's gotten
RUevolution36 said:
Separate, but somewhat related...I absolutely hate the fact that auto makers are using software to limit the hardware you paid a lot of money for. "Pay us a monthly subscription or a one time fee to unlock ALL the horsepower your car was already built with" does not sit well with me.
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Absolutely disgusting.

Subscribe-to-everything is just an awful byproduct of hyper-consumerism.
 
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Separate, but somewhat related...I absolutely hate the fact that auto makers are using software to limit the hardware you paid a lot of money for. "Pay us a monthly subscription or a one time fee to unlock ALL the horsepower your car was already built with" does not sit well with me.
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fsg2 said:
It's gotten

Absolutely disgusting.

Subscribe-to-everything is just an awful byproduct of hyper-consumerism.
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Totally agree with you both. It's one of the ways that companies treat us all like financial idiots unable to recognize that they are screwing us cost-wise while telling us it's a feature. I could go on a long rant about all this, but I'll try to resist, mostly...

Freaking Verizon's predatory pricing and contracts - $30 to add a line, you get back $5 if you drop the line, WTF is that?. Adobe, Autodesk, et. al. all switching to subscription models. Poland Spring switching from 6 to 5 gallon bottles and writing us a letter informing us that they're "doing us a favor" by not charging us more for the more ergonomic bottles. GMAFB.

And now this auto industry subscription bullshit. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

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mildone said:
Exactly.

Oh, and @BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap, you'll notice that once again, I'm not singling out Tesla here. It's a growing problem seemingly across many of the manufactures, not just Tesla or the Hyundai Motor Group.
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Happy Martin Scorsese GIF

Singling out Hyundai after I reminded you that you've been singularly focused on Tesla for 2 years, and oblivious to what Waymo, Cruise and the rest of the industry are doing.
Truly heroic.
 
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BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
Singling out Hyundai after I reminded you that you've been singularly focused on Tesla for 2 years, and oblivious to what Waymo, Cruise and the rest of the industry are doing.
Truly heroic.
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LOL. I have been posting negative articles about other companies all along. I've even made fun of my own car(s).

Listen, if you're going to try and attack me, you need to try to find something accurate to use. Otherwise, it has no effect, like your last post. You (and one-religion) keep swinging at me and missing. Surely, perhaps if you put your heads together, you can come up with some kind of insult or attack that will affect me, no? Put a little effort into it, for gosh sakes.

Wait, I know! You should try to model yourself after me. Be accurate with your accusations, the way I am with you. 'Cause the truth hurts, right?

For example, I regularly piss you off whenever I (accurately) point out how much of a Tesla/Musk worshiper you are, and how undignified that sort of behavior is. I mean, who wants to be seen as an unpaid ceaseless shill for a person or company that doesn't even know or care that you exist? Inescapably lame behavior and you know it.

And that truth apparently bothers you so much that, whenever I say it, it causes you to declare you're putting me on ignore. As if that's somehow going to trouble me. 🤣

All you're doing is confirming the truth behind what I'm saying. Get it?

I'm all about being helpful, so hopefully this helps you out. I'm on your side and want to see you succeed at insulting or attacking me. 🙂
 
mildone said:
LOL. I have been posting negative articles about other companies all along. I've even made fun of my own car(s).

Listen, if you're going to try and attack me, you need to try to find something accurate to use. Otherwise, it has no effect, like your last post. You (and one-religion) keep swinging at me and missing. Surely, perhaps if you put your heads together, you can come up with some kind of insult or attack that will affect me, no? Put a little effort into it, for gosh sakes.

Wait, I know! You should try to model yourself after me. Be accurate with your accusations, the way I am with you. 'Cause the truth hurts, right?

For example, I regularly piss you off whenever I (accurately) point out how much of a Tesla/Musk worshiper you are, and how undignified that sort of behavior is. I mean, who wants to be seen as an unpaid ceaseless shill for a person or company that doesn't even know or care that you exist? Inescapably lame behavior and you know it.

And that truth apparently bothers you so much that, whenever I say it, it causes you to declare you're putting me on ignore. As if that's somehow going to trouble me. 🤣

All you're doing is confirming the truth behind what I'm saying. Get it?

I'm all about being helpful, so hopefully this helps you out. I'm on your side and want to see you succeed at insulting or attacking me. 🙂
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Tl;dr
 
WhichReligionIsRight said:
Love this - especially seeing the Gov there. Tesla has been an incredibly important part of California’s manufacturing economy. Tesla taking advantage of all the big brained techies in the Bay Area.
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The Tesla fanboys were grousing that the Gov took too much of what should have been Elon's spotlight, but that's what politicians do (don't care the party)--take credit for things that they had little to do with.

California has long been blessed with outstanding universities, a high population of immigrants from Asian countries that produce a lot of engineers and scientists, fantastic weather, and a large and geographically diverse state. That old NUMMI (GM/Toyota) plant that went belly up was a perfect place to start EV manufacturing. It was a great move by Tesla to by the facility, after giving strong consideration to building a new facility in New Mexico.
 
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mildone said:
LOL. I have been posting negative articles about other companies all along. I've even made fun of my own car(s).

Listen, if you're going to try and attack me, you need to try to find something accurate to use. Otherwise, it has no effect, like your last post. You (and one-religion) keep swinging at me and missing. Surely, perhaps if you put your heads together, you can come up with some kind of insult or attack that will affect me, no? Put a little effort into it, for gosh sakes.

Wait, I know! You should try to model yourself after me. Be accurate with your accusations, the way I am with you. 'Cause the truth hurts, right?

For example, I regularly piss you off whenever I (accurately) point out how much of a Tesla/Musk worshiper you are, and how undignified that sort of behavior is. I mean, who wants to be seen as an unpaid ceaseless shill for a person or company that doesn't even know or care that you exist? Inescapably lame behavior and you know it.

And that truth apparently bothers you so much that, whenever I say it, it causes you to declare you're putting me on ignore. As if that's somehow going to trouble me. 🤣

All you're doing is confirming the truth behind what I'm saying. Get it?

I'm all about being helpful, so hopefully this helps you out. I'm on your side and want to see you succeed at insulting or attacking me. 🙂
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You've never said anything about other company's self driving ambitions until I pointed that out to you.
 
Just watched a video overview of the Ioniq 6. The looks are interesting - would have to see one in person. Interior looks pretty nice, IMO. The whole package looks sleek.

And has an operable sunroof. Sweet.

2024 IONIQ 6 | A Breakthrough Electric Sedan | Hyundai USA

Introducing the 2024 IONIQ 6 electric sedan featuring aerodynamic styling, ultra-fast charging, LED pixel lights & cutting-edge tech! Click to learn more!
www.hyundaiusa.com www.hyundaiusa.com

Range still ain't great, but overall, it looks like it ought to sell pretty well.
 
Knight Shift said:
The Tesla fanboys were grousing that the Gov took too much of what should have been Elon's spotlight, but that's what politicians do (don't care the party)--take credit for things that they had little to do with.

California has long been blessed with outstanding universities, a high population of immigrants from Asian countries that produce a lot of engineers and scientists, fantastic weather, and a large and geographically diverse state. That old NUMMI (GM/Toyota) plant that went belly up was a perfect place to start EV manufacturing. It was a great move by Tesla to by the facility, after giving strong consideration to building a new facility in New Mexico.
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Great announcement and gracious remarks by both. California catches a lot of shit, some deserving, but at the end of the day, it's an integral part of the nation's economy. This announcement will help to further ensure the world's best and brightest stay in the US or come to the US

Fyi ..in 2010, Tesla paid $42 million for that NUMMI plant. Quite a steal.
 
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