OT: Electric vehicles

[Knight Shift]

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Under agreement, they were supposed to make these charging stations available to non-EVs. However, so far, they have offered very few, and the ones that they have offered are in remote areas, and they have made it difficult for non-Teslas to charge with the cord length configuration. Are they going to not be dicks about it, or continue to make it difficult for non-Teslas?

We charged a non-Tesla at a Supercharger. Here's how it went

We took our long-term 2022 Kia EV6 to a Tesla Supercharger in New York to see what it's like.

www.autoblog.com

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

I pushed some auto-reflex buttons of a few posters here regarding Ford. I personally love the Mach-E and the Lightning, but Ford just isn't making much of dent as a percentage of Ford total sales or as a percent of total EV sales. Maybe they get their battery issues sorted soon and overtake GM to regain their distant #2 spot in EV sales.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Under agreement, they were supposed to make these charging stations available to non-EVs. However, so far, they have offered very few, and the ones that they have offered are in remote areas, and they have made it difficult for non-Teslas to charge with the cord length configuration. Are they going to not be dicks about it, or continue to make it difficult for non-Teslas?

We charged a non-Tesla at a Supercharger. Here's how it went

We took our long-term 2022 Kia EV6 to a Tesla Supercharger in New York to see what it's like.

www.autoblog.com

I was ready to groan at yet another EV charging horror story, but the article was well-written - a good read. Thanks for posting that.

 

[Knight Shift]

I was ready to groan at yet another EV charging horror story, but the article was well-written - a good read. Thanks for posting that.

I'm neutral on Tesla, maybe even slightly positive. IIRC, Tesla got a nice chunk of change for "opening up" their charging stations.

The part about the charging rate for the Hyundai and other brands is not something they can (and maybe should) address. But the number of stations and the cord length and configuration should be addressed if they are to abide by their agreement. Does anyone have a link on how soon more stations will become available?

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

I'm neutral on Tesla, maybe even slightly positive. IIRC, Tesla got a nice chunk of change for "opening up" their charging stations.

The part about the charging rate for the Hyundai and other brands is not something they can (and maybe should) address. But the number of stations and the cord length and configuration should be addressed if they are to abide by their agreement. Does anyone have a link on how soon more stations will become available?

I do not have the info, but also wish the charging cable was longer - even by just a foot or two.

 

[Knight Shift]

I do not have the info, but also wish the charging cable was longer - even by just a foot or two.

Two stories on the agreement, and I did not realize that a large chunk of the chargers included the crappy slow level 2 chargers.

Tesla Agrees To Open Thousands Of Its Chargers To Other EVs By 2024, White House Says

Tesla’s decision was announced as part of the Biden Administration’s new initiative that aims to have 500,000 electric vehicle chargers on U.S. highways by 2030.

www.forbes.com

Tesla Already Beginning to Open U.S. Supercharger Network to Outside Brands

The company that makes the most reliable fast-chargers says it has already begun the process of opening 7500 of its chargers to outside brands by the end of 2024.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

 

[bac2therac]

 

[Knight Shift]

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Hey sport, this is an electric vehicle thread. stoves are not vehicles.

 

[fsg2]

Hey sport, this is an electric vehicle thread. stoves are not vehicles.

Too much gas fumes, maybe.

 

[mildone]

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I'm not one to harp on staying on-topic, but this is pretty far off-topic to a discussion about what form of energy is used to propel cars, and electrification of cars in general, no?

I mean, it's tangentially related maybe, but it's a reach.

 

[OntheBanks]

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Sorry, Bac but there already is a ban in NYC that begins either this Dec or Jan.
It's not so much the gas stoves. Both the NYS & NYC bans are on gas line hookup to new construction buildings less than 7 stories high. That means that gas furnaces and generators will not be able to be installed, since there is no gas going into the building.
Also heard there may be a 17% increase on natgas charges coming up.

 

[Knight Shift]

Wow, 620 miles

Mercedes Benz just announced a new EV that can travel 620 miles on a single charge — all thanks to a new innovative feature

Mercedes Benz unveiled the Vision EQXX, a highly-efficient, solar-powered EV, at the 2022 Consumer Electronics Show.

www.thecooldown.com

 

[Knight Shift]

Well, maybe I don't want to charge at Tesla Superchargers--sounds dangerous. WTAF- who kills another person over a charging station dispute?

Tesla driver dies in fatal shooting at Supercharger station after 'argument over charger'

A Tesla driver died in a fatal shooting at a Supercharger station in Denver, Colorado, over a dispute regarding charging...

electrek.co

 

[fsg2]

Wow, 620 miles

Mercedes Benz just announced a new EV that can travel 620 miles on a single charge — all thanks to a new innovative feature

Mercedes Benz unveiled the Vision EQXX, a highly-efficient, solar-powered EV, at the 2022 Consumer Electronics Show.

www.thecooldown.com

I want to like that site because they have some interesting stories, but their articles are quite sloppy.

They cite the new supposed electric sedan product interchangeably with last year's EQXX concept, citing the latter's specs and features with no such info for the actual production car, despite the headline. They throw the actual car the whole thing is supposed to be about in at the end ...with no info at all. Doesn't say where the "announcement" came from, either.

Feels like bad AI (or ESL) text.

 

[fsg2]

The EQXX has actually done close to 750 miles in testing, though.

Mercedes seems to be eyeing the range leader title hard.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Well, maybe I don't want to charge at Tesla Superchargers--sounds dangerous. WTAF- who kills another person over a charging station dispute?

Tesla driver dies in fatal shooting at Supercharger station after 'argument over charger'

A Tesla driver died in a fatal shooting at a Supercharger station in Denver, Colorado, over a dispute regarding charging...

electrek.co

There are hundreds of shootings that have occurred at gas stations. Why not post those, too?

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

I want to like that site because they have some interesting stories, but their articles are quite sloppy.

They cite the new supposed electric sedan product interchangeably with last year's EQXX concept, citing the latter's specs and features with no such info for the actual production car, despite the headline. They throw the actual car the whole thing is supposed to be about in at the end ...with no info at all. Doesn't say where the "announcement" came from, either.

Feels like bad AI (or ESL) text.

Also included in the article:

[D]on’t head out to your local Mercedes dealer quite yet, because the EQXX will likely never hit the production line.

 

[bac2therac]

Hey sport, this is an electric vehicle thread. stoves are not vehicles.

Just sayin because peeps insisted this wasnt happening earlier in this thread

 

[bac2therac]

Well, maybe I don't want to charge at Tesla Superchargers--sounds dangerous. WTAF- who kills another person over a charging station dispute?

Tesla driver dies in fatal shooting at Supercharger station after 'argument over charger'

A Tesla driver died in a fatal shooting at a Supercharger station in Denver, Colorado, over a dispute regarding charging...

electrek.co

And peeps think these things won't be a danger at the charging stations

Wait until the vandalism starts

 

[RU4Real]

Also included in the article:

[D]on’t head out to your local Mercedes dealer quite yet, because the EQXX will likely never hit the production line.

So it's basically a Mercedes Cyber Truck, is what you're saying?

 

[jtung230]

There are hundreds of shootings that have occurred at gas stations. Why not post those, too?

This is why.

Tesla driver dies in fatal shooting at Supercharger station after 'argument over charger'

A Tesla driver died in a fatal shooting at a Supercharger station in Denver, Colorado, over a dispute regarding charging...

electrek.co

I hope even a homer like you can understand the difference.

 

[Knight Shift]

This is why.

Tesla driver dies in fatal shooting at Supercharger station after 'argument over charger'

A Tesla driver died in a fatal shooting at a Supercharger station in Denver, Colorado, over a dispute regarding charging...

electrek.co

I hope even a homer like you can understand the difference.

Nah. Blinded by brand loyalty.

 

[Knight Shift]

This is why.

Tesla driver dies in fatal shooting at Supercharger station after 'argument over charger'

A Tesla driver died in a fatal shooting at a Supercharger station in Denver, Colorado, over a dispute regarding charging...

electrek.co

I hope even a homer like you can understand the difference.

And Electrek's take us pathetic: "Obviously, this probably says more about gun violence in the US than about Supercharger station etiquette, but it still could be a factor here."

No, it is about haughty, self-important aholes (many who have the money to buy Tesla's) not giving af about others or common courtesy. Their mindset is me first and f everyone else I get mine and f you. The dickwad shooter would have used another form of violence to get his way.

 

[Knight Shift]

Some comments under the Electek story support my notion about aholes:


12 hours ago

I had someone try RIPPING THE PLUG from my car, because I was parked sideways across 3 chargers while towing - and they were perfectly able to plug in b/c there were 12 OPEN STALLS at this location! Some people just aren't able to live in polite society.


AND LOL- we have lost our ability to interact and be polite--it's Elon's fault for not providing software on how to be a decent human?



15 hours ago

"If there was queuing software we wouldn't have any of these issues."

really we need software for basic human interaction now?

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15 hours ago

No, but we need it to know who is next. It's not necessarily easy when people pull into a space to wait for an open charging spot to know whose turn is next. If somebody takes my turn, I might be upset and I won't start a fight, but I'd rather have the app or car tell me when a charger is free and reserve that number for me, with a time limit to get there.





9 hours ago

Yes. There are people who will disregard the queue, jump into a spot before the next in line has a chance, then it's only by their generosity or sense of shame that will allow fairness to prevail. As the system works now, if they refuse to capitulate, only intimidation or violence can force them to abide by the rules.

There is a way that a controlling program could avoid the situation. Software based queuing could force them to either move to allow the rightful Tesla Customer to charge, or else the charger won't start a session.

I'm sure there are bull headed people who would still refuse to move, continuing to block the stall. Tesla could disincentivize that behaviour by charging them idle fees and cutting them off from SuperCharging for a certain period, then permanently banning them for repeated infractions.

I feared violence would eventually happen because I've seen jerks with a sense of privilege refuse to play by the rules. I've seen cheated people at SuperChargers get REALLY mad. It's a helpless feeling.



Well, whoops:

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

And peeps think these things won't be a danger at the charging stations

Wait until the vandalism starts

Next on FoxNews: "EV Charging Stations - The Most Dangerous Places on Earth"

Vandalism?? That's nothing. Wait till the electrocutions start!

How you don't see that you are the victim of media fear mongering is beyond me.

 

[fsg2]

And peeps think these things won't be a danger at the charging stations

Wait until the vandalism starts

So you're finally conceding your team is full of angry criminals with no option left but to throw public tantrums?

A rare good take from you. I award you 150 carbon credits.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

First fully operational bus running on Smartroad Gotland - electrive.com

www.electrive.com

Inductive charging: Smartroad Gotland to be extended - electrive.com

The Israeli company ElectReon, which specialises in inductive charging of electric vehicles, has announced the extension of the Smartroad Gotland pilot project in Sweden by one year and its upgrade. The two million euro budget for the extension of the project is funded by the Swedish Transport...

www.electrive.com

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

 

[fg7321]

Here comes battery swap!

This new electric car could charge in the time it takes to fill a gas tank thanks to battery-swapping tech

American automotive startup Fisker is bringing battery-swapping technology to its very first SUV, the Ocean.

www.yahoo.com

 

[bac2therac]

Battertly cemeteries...i have a few big cities in mind

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Here comes battery swap!

This new electric car could charge in the time it takes to fill a gas tank thanks to battery-swapping tech

American automotive startup Fisker is bringing battery-swapping technology to its very first SUV, the Ocean.

www.yahoo.com

It's fitting that Fisker has called their first release The Ocean. This company has pledged "an ocean" of promises for years. Still waiting for them to fulfill one. Lots of reasons battery swaps aren't happening already discussed in this thread if you want to search.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Here comes battery swap!

This new electric car could charge in the time it takes to fill a gas tank thanks to battery-swapping tech

American automotive startup Fisker is bringing battery-swapping technology to its very first SUV, the Ocean.

www.yahoo.com

Targeted for fleet operators.

 

[mildone]

It's fitting that Fisker has called their first release The Ocean. This company has pledged "an ocean" of promises for years. Still waiting for them to fulfill one. Lots of reasons battery swaps aren't happening already discussed in this thread if you want to search.

Gasp. Can you imagine? A company hyping stuff up for years before actually producing something? No other company but Fisker would ever do such a thing (Cybertruck, Roadster 2.0).

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Gasp. Can you imagine? A company hyping stuff up for years before actually producing something? No other company but Fisker would ever do such a thing (Cybertruck, Roadster 2.0).

Riiiiiight....non stop hype from Tesla. Other than the reveals, there's been.......

 

[fsg2]

Riiiiiight....non stop hype from Tesla. Other than the reveals, there's been.......

?

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

 

[RUBlackout7]

Wait, I thought only batteries caught on fire??? 😂

 

[RUBlackout7]

Should be interesting if Fisker can be a player here. The Ocean is decent looking, not too expensive and has 350miles of range

Fisker (FSR) delivers the first Ocean electric SUV model

American EV maker Fisker Inc. (NYSE: FSR) delivered its first electric Ocean SUV model to a customer at its new...

electrek.co