I agree with this. Tesla can’t compete in the high end segment.
OT: Electric vehicles
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They never had aspirations to be a luxury brand.
Tesla's two most expensive cars are only being made for "sentimental reasons," Elon Musk said Wednesday.
"The Model S and X are really niche," the CEO said on Tesla's third-quarter earnings call, after the company handily topped Wall Street's financial estimates for the period.
"They're really niche products," he continued. "I mean, they're very expensive, made in low volume. To be totally frank, we're continuing to make them more for sentimental reasons than anything else. They're really of minor importance to the future."
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-making-model-s-x-for-sentimental-reasons-elon-musk-2019-10
Still using those tslaq talking points I see
https://insideevs.com/news/652873/tesla-tops-bmw-us-luxury-car-sales-2022/
Did Tesla just commit to the product by updating it? Funny how quick the msg changes when it doesn’t sell.
What’s next? Margins were never meant to be that high and we can’t sell as many cars as they can produce.
If You've Been Saying You're Waiting For A Good Non-Tesla Electric Car, Now Is The Time! - CleanTechnica
I had this article title drafted up a while back. It had just hit me that there were really several highly competitive, highly compelling electric vehicles on the market now — even in the USA — and that it’s now a prime time for mainstream car buyers to start going electric. So, I wrote the […]
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No, not Tesla
www.autoweek.com
Yet Another EV Truck Brand Has Just Started Production
The Swedish startup, launched only in 2019, has begun production of its electric truck. Here's what the Volta Zero promises.
Is the government good at anything?
The combined rating is weighted 55 percent in favor of the city figure, where EVs typically perform better. This inflates the range estimates, making it harder to match in real-world highway driving. The paper proposes publishing both city and highway range figures—as with fuel-economy estimates for gas-powered vehicles—to give shoppers a more holistic sense of a vehicle's abilities.
Unlike Car and Driver's real-world test—carried out at a constant 75 mph—the EPA's cycle is variable, with the speed increasing and decreasing over the course of the test. While this is detrimental to the results for gas vehicles, which tend to be most efficient at a steady rpm, the ability to regenerate energy under braking leads to higher range results for EVs, which are shifted even higher by the slight bias towards the city results in the combined rating.
Tesla, meanwhile, pursues an impressive figure for its window stickers, and ends up returning real-world results that are on average two times as far off the label value as most EVs. A range discrepancy between EVs.
www.caranddriver.com
The combined rating is weighted 55 percent in favor of the city figure, where EVs typically perform better. This inflates the range estimates, making it harder to match in real-world highway driving. The paper proposes publishing both city and highway range figures—as with fuel-economy estimates for gas-powered vehicles—to give shoppers a more holistic sense of a vehicle's abilities.
Unlike Car and Driver's real-world test—carried out at a constant 75 mph—the EPA's cycle is variable, with the speed increasing and decreasing over the course of the test. While this is detrimental to the results for gas vehicles, which tend to be most efficient at a steady rpm, the ability to regenerate energy under braking leads to higher range results for EVs, which are shifted even higher by the slight bias towards the city results in the combined rating.
Tesla, meanwhile, pursues an impressive figure for its window stickers, and ends up returning real-world results that are on average two times as far off the label value as most EVs. A range discrepancy between EVs.
EVs Fall Short of EPA Estimates by a Much Larger Margin Than Gas Cars in Our Real-World Highway Testing
Gas-powered cars often match or exceed EPA highway fuel economy numbers. A new paper using data from C/D's highway tests shows EVs are far less likely to do so.
You're grasping dude. Why wouldn't they continue to update vehicles they're producing? The point is that Tesla could discontinue the S and X and nothing would change about the future of the company.
And change what message? The plan for S and X was detailed in 2006 in Master plan 1. Nothing has changed. Stop making shit up
Two Tesla models at #1 and #2!
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3 Luxury Electric Cars Ready to Bankrupt You With Over $10,000 in Maintenance and Repairs
Here's a look at three luxury electric vehicles (EVs) with over $10,000 of maintenance and repair fees during a period of vehicle ownership.
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Not only did they update the product, they also increase the production capacity for both S and X. Too bad demand is not keeping up with production. Just too much competition in that segment and the luxury buyers care more than 0-60 times.
Yep. Sales cratering in California.
Tesla's California market share tumbles despite aggressive price cuts
Tesla's market share in its key California market tumbled in the first quarter of the year despite aggressive price cuts as rivals stepped up, data showed on Friday.
This should shut the haters up about battery materials.
www.thecooldown.com
Tesla's co-founder just made a game-changing announcement about the future of EV batteries
Redwood Materials has just announced that it can recover critical metals from used batteries at a rate of 95%.
www.thecooldown.com
This is pointless when you ignore reality.
You're also the guy who predicted the Taycan would bury the model S.
There's no such thing as an "EV market". That's a buzz word for clickbait. These articles have been recycled for years, yet Tesla continues to sell more vehicles every quarter.Yep. Sales cratering in California.
Tesla's California market share tumbles despite aggressive price cuts
Tesla's market share in its key California market tumbled in the first quarter of the year despite aggressive price cuts as rivals stepped up, data showed on Friday.www.reuters.com
Porsche sold every Taycan they produced in Q4 and didn’t have to slash prices. Can’t say the same for model S.
Moving goalposts. Who sold more?
S &X are now being shipped globally. Vehicles in transit at the end of the quarter don't count as sales. Again, this is pointless. S & X are meaningless. Who cares. Stop grasping. If you're looking for an automotive company in trouble, I suggest you research someone other than Tesla.
The goal post was used a lot by Tesla fan club. But can’t use it anymore because it’s not true. That’s moving the goal post. If S and X don’t matter why are you arguing it so much?
Range is low - EPA statement is 226 miles, Car & Driver tested it at 200. If that's good with you, then both the C40 Recharge and XC40 recharge are solid vehicles, with the latter having more cargo space because it doesn't have the fastback-style roofline of the C40.
Yeah I am trying to figure out if I can live with the 200 range. We have a large family hauler for the longer stuff and this would only be a local hauler mostly........... driving a few times a week from the Cherry Hill, NJ area to Philly for work, shopping, etc.
First time considering an electric car and unclear on charging options, etc. Are there adapters that would allow me to use Tesla chargers, for example?
Not sure. One of the EV advocates in the thread would have to answer.
I will say this - the fact that there are multiple charger types instead of just one, single plug is just plain stupid.
The lack of a standard charger type is ridiculous - as is the lack of a standard for recharging various other electrical devices, like cell phones and laptops and work equipment (such as drills and blowers). The ECU has taken steps to standardize cell phone chargers. I think this is promising for consumers. However, my worry about EVs is that regulators would pick a standard other than what Tesla uses.
Here's the Idiot's guide to Volvo charging.
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GM killed the Bolt. Someone may correct me, but I think this was the best-selling affordable EV. GM has had significant battery issues and it looks like they want to concentrate their EV attentions on more profitable (bigger) vehicles.
This creates a wide opening on the affordable EV front. Who's going to claim this part of the market?
www.theverge.com
This creates a wide opening on the affordable EV front. Who's going to claim this part of the market?
GM is ending Chevy Bolt EV and EUV production at the end of the year
The Chevy Bolt was not long for this world.
www.theverge.com
The incredible lameness of not having one standardized charger type is something we all seem to agree about.
Used car brands that have lost the most value in 2023 - Autoblog
CarGurus used car price index showed that most brands have fallen in price over the last year, with a few dropping sharply.
www.autoblog.com
Toyota's new president vows new EVs will stand out as 'Toyota-like' - Autoblog
Toyota insist that its electric vehicles will maintain the character that has defined the brand over its almost-century-long history.
www.autoblog.com
like a toyota...
so boring to drive, reliable as can be, and bland to look at...
Seems really odd that Pontiac is leading, and by a large margin, the "gained the most value" list. The Tesla downward numbers may be linked to all the recent price drops.
Used car brands that have lost the most value in 2023 - Autoblog
CarGurus used car price index showed that most brands have fallen in price over the last year, with a few dropping sharply.
i would assume so. why buy a used one when you can get a new one at a similar price.
Judging by the bz4x, it'll be more like painful to look at.
Toyota's new president vows new EVs will stand out as 'Toyota-like' - Autoblog
Toyota insist that its electric vehicles will maintain the character that has defined the brand over its almost-century-long history.
like a toyota...
so boring to drive, reliable as can be, and bland to look at...
Trucks and 4x4s should be rad, though.
Sounds like the classic car market at work. Mercury also just made that list. No large stock of newer MY used vehicles to offset high prices on coveted classics.
Just my guess.
The average price of a concours-quality Trans Am, just for example, has skyrocketed in recent years. Hemmings has a mint condition '78 Special Edition listed for $80k.
I'm guessing that ICEVs will, at some point if they haven't already, start going up in price (new and used) due to them being phased out soon. At least for some brands/models. If true, that should help drive the adoption of EVs as most folks go with what will soon be the less expensive option.
Had a long conversation w/a dealer today. It's a little nuts the games I may have to play to get the car I've been wanting. It's very much a seller's market.
