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OT: Electric vehicles

I quoted you talking about exactly that.
Unless you camp around the corner from your house, I would say it involves moving that heavy load some distance. Powering the camper to help move itself is still subject to the same limitations of the tech.
As far the off grid living once you reach your destination, I'm with you 100%. Both fossil fuels and renewables have their place.
Think we're talking past each other and mainly in agreement.

That quoted post was in response to someone asking about towing effect and range, and at the time, the best source available was Rivian's estimate of it halving range. At this point, there's been a lot of third-party testing, and none of what I've seen suggests long-range towing is advisable, some tests finding truck range dropping below 100 miles under near-max load.

That's one reason I didn't even consider an electric when buying a new truck, though I'm more concerned with max payload than towing. I had an argument somewhere back in the abyss of this thread in stating that range reduction during towing is a problematic shortcoming for electric trucks. The battery-powered, EV-everything guys suggested that towing is a fringe use case 😄

As for self powered trailers, it's a creative short-term solution, not something I see taking over the industry. If batteries were dense and cheap enough for that, then you should also have longer range pickups that can tow decent ranges. The tech is kind of fascinating to me, though, controlling the trailer so that it matches vehicle speed and cuts weight to 0 and so that it can torque vector to self-correct swaying and other unwanted movement. Might ultimately end up being used for safety more than range and efficiency.

Some of the biggest names in RVs have been working on it for 5+ years now, including real world testing. But I think it could be far more impactful for freight tractor-trailers.

 
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Also worth noting, self-powered trailers aren't solely for EVs. They nullify the tow load on any vehicle, so an ICE tow vehicle wouldn't experience a drop in mpg, a fuel cell vehicle wouldn't burn through as much hydrogen or other, etc. Assuming you can shut off the e drive, you could also reserve some of that oversized battery for camp, where you could then recoup at least a bit of power with solar.
 
Nice looking cross-over EV.

I’m gonna renew my concern with mass producing huge numbers of vehicles that can accelerate so fast, especially heavy SUV vehicles. I get that it’s a selling feature. But, even with all the software nannies cars have these days, having every car on the road be capable of brutal acceleration seems unwise. I won’t be surprised to see a legislated forced slowdown in 5 or 10 years.

 
Nice looking cross-over EV.

I’m gonna renew my concern with mass producing huge numbers of vehicles that can accelerate so fast, especially heavy SUV vehicles. I get that it’s a selling feature. But, even with all the software nannies cars have these days, having every car on the road be capable of brutal acceleration seems unwise. I won’t be surprised to see a legislated forced slowdown in 5 or 10 years.


I think you missed the point of what Volvo is trying to accomplish.

 
Reading this, it seems that although the car was being autonomously operated, it might have been a situation where a human driver may well have hit the dog too. The article is unclear on if and how quickly the human took over from the car.


So perhaps we should just ban ALL cars from operating on public roads, human-driven or self-driven , except for me and whomever I like. Yeah, that's the plan.
 
Rowan Atkinson, noted automotive and climate expert, weighs in :


I mean, he's actually just being relatively moderate about all this, and the article headline is misleading in terms of what's written in the article body. Still, between the headline and his less than full-throated support for EVs (at the moment), this article may piss off some EV evangelists a little.
 
Ignore alert. Dolt. Useless to post paywalled articles. Dolt.
Dolt is a fun word. It's use faded a lot and it had fallen out of favor from the 1920s through the 1980s. But it made a strong resurgence from the 1990s through today.

 
Nice looking cross-over EV.

I’m gonna renew my concern with mass producing huge numbers of vehicles that can accelerate so fast, especially heavy SUV vehicles. I get that it’s a selling feature. But, even with all the software nannies cars have these days, having every car on the road be capable of brutal acceleration seems unwise. I won’t be surprised to see a legislated forced slowdown in 5 or 10 years.

I hear the concern, but how often do people really lay on the gas out of the gate?

I can't say I've even seen an EV take off after a stop in the wild.
 
I hear the concern, but how often do people really lay on the gas out of the gate?

I can't say I've even seen an EV take off after a stop in the wild.
Driving around in a 911 on the weekend, I get an irritatingly large number of other drivers who feel compelled to race at stoplights (which I ignore most of the time). In particular, I wind up seeing a lot of Tesla Model Ss and Ys hammer it from stoplights. With Mustang EV owners coming in a close second in terms of wanting to race. It's obviously not just EVs, but for whatever reason, the owners of the aforementioned cars are the most likely to want to race these days.

However, I worry more about the more "reasonable" situations, such as entrance ramps to interstates. I see people stomp on the pedal which is one thing when the car has normal acceleration, but quite another when the car has sub 4s acceleration.

My concern isn't about a one-off here and there. It's when pretty much everyone has a car that is a sub-4s car and likes to stomp on the pedal. That's a new problem because, today, there just aren't that many such cars out there.
 
Driving around in a 911 on the weekend, I get an irritatingly large number of other drivers who feel compelled to race at stoplights (which I ignore most of the time). In particular, I wind up seeing a lot of Tesla Model Ss and Ys hammer it from stoplights. With Mustang EV owners coming in a close second in terms of wanting to race. It's obviously not just EVs, but for whatever reason, the owners of the aforementioned cars are the most likely to want to race these days.

However, I worry more about the more "reasonable" situations, such as entrance ramps to interstates. I see people stomp on the pedal which is one thing when the car has normal acceleration, but quite another when the car has sub 4s acceleration.

My concern isn't about a one-off here and there. It's when pretty much everyone has a car that is a sub-4s car and likes to stomp on the pedal. That's a new problem because, today, there just aren't that many such cars out there.
An issue i never had in my 95 Honda Civic. But having somewhat recently upgrading to a Subaru Legacy I did just have a rather souped up Legacy try to take me off the line. I didn’t oblige.


But i can certainly see Tesla owners trying to one up sporty ice vehicles.
 
An issue i never had in my 95 Honda Civic. But having somewhat recently upgrading to a Subaru Legacy I did just have a rather souped up Legacy try to take me off the line. I didn’t oblige.


But i can certainly see Tesla owners trying to one up sporty ice vehicles.
the only subaru drivers i have ever seen who want to do that drive WRX's. STI or standard.
 
the only subaru drivers i have ever seen who want to do that drive WRX's. STI or standard.
I'd be much more likely to stoplight race a WRX STI since it's likely to (a) be a manual and (b) have aftermarket power mods, which makes it interesting. It'd be a contest of driving plus mods which is kind of fun. Never had the opportunity, though.

To me, it's just not interesting to race one automatic to another. That's just software doing everything and it becomes a grip and HP/torque contest. Stick anybody in the car w/a better HP/weight ratio and good grip and they'll win. If that's the goal, then just get 911 Turbo S and you'd beat 99.9% of other cars - 100% if you make it best out of 10, one right after the other.

One guy in a Panamera Turbo S wanted to race at a light. Silly. An AWD PDK Panamera Turbo S will crush a manual RWD 911 GTS, in a straight line, every single time. What's the point?
 
As they are electric and we are talking about racing i think it’s fitting to talk about here but I recently went to the electric go karts in Edison

That was a blast. I did OK. Top half of the board in each of my races. I think 5th was my best finish.
 
It’s just a concept car, but WTF is Porsche thinking with the moronic yoke?

That's all you have to say about the heir apparent to the 918 and future of the most accomplished bloodline in the Porsche family?

Thing is all kinds of sickness.
 
That's all you have to say about the heir apparent to the 918 and future of the most accomplished bloodline in the Porsche family?

Thing is all kinds of sickness.
Yep, the insanity with the yoke is what stood out to me. In hindsight, I wasn't impressed with the seating or exterior design, either.

Other than that, it was okay. 😃
 
This is an interesting and useful article about certified pre-owned warranties for all auto manufacturers. The Hyundai Motor Group's 3 brands have the best warranties. Most others are 1 year, Lexus and Porsche are 2 year, some others have multiple options too complex for me to read through.

 
Yep, the insanity with the yoke is what stood out to me. In hindsight, I wasn't impressed with the seating or exterior design, either.

Other than that, it was okay. 😃
I think maybe you have some downforce envy 😜
 
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I think maybe you have some downforce envy 😜
Yes, but not for that car, for the GT3RS onto which they apparently stuck a 747 wing on the back. A lowly GT3 has a wee wing and will probably slide right the hell off Route 31N when I rip through the S turns next spring.
 
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