OT: Electric vehicles

[mildone]

How so? By having a Twitter and YouTube page?

Because tesla.com is totally free to operate? And if there were a way to verify it, I'd bet money that Tesla pays social media influencers. Perhaps not directly, but they're funding them nonetheless. And now, since they're facing actual competition for the first time, they're going to drop the silly "we don't advertise" nonsense and just do it openly.

His time with Twitter is clearly affecting Elon. And in a positive way, from my standpoint as a Tesla shareholder.

Next up is dropping the whole Cybertruck fiasco. The photos of the exterior and interior are hideous. It's going to be a niche vehicle and that's not their business model. I'd rather see Tesla produce an inexpensive sedan or cross-over or just overhaul the existing cars.

 

[jtung230]

How so? By having a Twitter and YouTube page?

Yes, they pay people to put content on Twitter and YouTube.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Yes, they pay people to put content on Twitter and YouTube.

Show your work.

 

[jtung230]

Show your work.

The YouTube guys say they get free stuff from Tesla in their videos. I remember when I was researching the battery wall on YouTube the guy said Tesla send him a free one after he post his video.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Because tesla.com is totally free to operate? And if there were a way to verify it, I'd bet money that Tesla pays social media influencers. Perhaps not directly, but they're funding them nonetheless. And now, since they're facing actual competition for the first time, they're going to drop the silly "we don't advertise" nonsense and just do it openly.

His time with Twitter is clearly affecting Elon. And in a positive way, from my standpoint as a Tesla shareholder.

Next up is dropping the whole Cybertruck fiasco. The photos of the exterior and interior are hideous. It's going to be a niche vehicle and that's not their business model. I'd rather see Tesla produce an inexpensive sedan or cross-over or just overhaul the existing cars.

Marketing vs Advertising. Look it up

I know you think you're smarter than Elon, and pretty sure you called for Elon's resignation 🤣🤣🤣, but Cybertruck will be just fine. Best selling EV pickup by 2025. Book it.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

The YouTube guys say they get free stuff from Tesla in their videos. I remember when I was researching the battery wall on YouTube the guy said Tesla send him a free one after he post his video.

Show your work.

 

[jtung230]

Show your work.

Are you saying you didn’t know Tesla send free stuff to content creators?

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Are you saying you didn’t know Tesla send free stuff to content creators?

Nope. Considering there are hundreds, probably thousands of Tesla related content creators on YouTube, it shouldn't be hard to find evidence of your claim. Still waiting.....

 

[fsg2]

Nope. Considering there are hundreds, probably thousands of Tesla related content creators on YouTube, it shouldn't be hard to find evidence of your claim. Still waiting.....

Uh ...all automakers, and companies in general, do this.

It's kinda why you don't trust any single car review ...from mags, auto sites, mens pubs, influencers, social media randos ...

 

[mildone]

Marketing vs Advertising. Look it up

I know you think you're smarter than Elon, and pretty sure you called for Elon's resignation 🤣🤣🤣, but Cybertruck will be just fine. Best selling EV pickup by 2025. Book it.

Musk should absolutely resign. I'm certain he'd find life far more rewarding focusing full time on doing philanthropic work. He could really make a huge difference in the word.

He can remain on the various boards, of course, but should step aside and others run all the various businesses.

When he finally figures that out, then I won't think I'm so much smarter than him anymore. 😉

 

[mildone]

Uh ...all automakers, and companies in general, do this.

It's kinda why you don't trust any single car review ...from mags, auto sites, mens pubs, influencers, social media randos ...

He's gonna tell you to show your work. 🤣

Of course, Musk himself just stated that he's going to start advertising for Tesla. But the Teslerati haven't had time, yet, to receive proper indoctrination about how to discuss this change. So they're kind of reeling a bit, not having guidance on what to say.

"What do we say about advertising about which you had us speak so disdainfully for years, Master?", they cry. "Everybody's making fun of us now.", they complain. "What shall we do, oh Lord?"

"How dare you challenge me, peon! You will take the humiliation. You will do it because I command it!", responds Elon. "It is for me that you prostrate yourself thusly. Now give me all your money, worm!"

"Yes, Master."

 

[jtung230]

Nope. Considering there are hundreds, probably thousands of Tesla related content creators on YouTube, it shouldn't be hard to find evidence of your claim. Still waiting.....

I’m surprised you haven’t gotten anything free from Tesla with all the content you put out.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

I’m surprised you haven’t gotten anything free from Tesla with all the content you put out.

I know, right? Very jealous if this were true, but of course, it's not. Still nothing from you. What are you waiting for?

What I think you are confused with is aftermarket companies selling products for Tesla vehicles and YouTube reviews of such products. Those companies send content creators free stuff and ask them to do a video review. It's an honest mistake (maybe), and I know you are easily confused.

 

[jtung230]

I know, right? Very jealous if this were true, but of course, it's not. Still nothing from you. What are you waiting for?

What I think you are confused with is aftermarket companies selling products for Tesla vehicles and YouTube reviews of such products. Those companies send content creators free stuff and ask them to do a video review. It's an honest mistake (maybe), and I know you are easily confused.

Quick google and found this

 

[lne001]

Quick google and found this.

Next time you post a video clip to support one of your lame arguments I suggest you watch it first, clown. 🤡

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Quick google and found this

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[jtung230]

Next time you post a video clip to support one of your lame arguments I suggest you watch it first, clown. 🤡

Sorry, didn’t need to understand powerwall so don’t want to waste 30 min. He got free stuff from Tesla right?

 

[lne001]

Sorry, didn’t need to understand powerwall so don’t want to waste 30 min. He got free stuff from Tesla right?

It's called a referral program, so not exactly free. He had to earn it.

By the way, I'm eligible for 'free stuff' myself if I refer someone for a new Tesla. If you're interested let me know and I'll send you my code.

 

[mildone]

It's called a referral program, so not exactly free. He had to earn it.

By the way, I'm eligible for 'free stuff' myself if I refer someone for a new Tesla. If you're interested let me know and I'll send you my code.

I wonder why Tesla feels it's necessary to have a referral program in addition to marketing and now ads.

The best cars sell themselves. Or at least that's what the Teslerati told us. 😉

 

[jtung230]

It's called a referral program, so not exactly free. He had to earn it.

By the way, I'm eligible for 'free stuff' myself if I refer someone for a new Tesla. If you're interested let me know and I'll send you my code.

Referrals to friends and family might not be consider ads but to a wide market is advertising. It’s small time advertising. Now that Tesla needs bigger volume targets, they need to do advertising for the masses.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Referrals to friends and family might not be consider ads but to a wide market is advertising. It’s small time advertising. Now that Tesla needs bigger volume targets, they need to do advertising for the masses.

Quit while you're only moderately embarrassed. You stated content creators on YouTube get shit from Tesla for making videos about Tesla products. This is false.

Now, you want to twist your lie into the referral program.
https://www.tesla.com/support/loot-box
Do you see YouTube videos mentioned? Stop lying.

 

[jtung230]

I know, right? Very jealous if this were true, but of course, it's not. Still nothing from you. What are you waiting for?

What I think you are confused with is aftermarket companies selling products for Tesla vehicles and YouTube reviews of such products. Those companies send content creators free stuff and ask them to do a video review. It's an honest mistake (maybe), and I know you are easily confused.

Quit while you're only moderately embarrassed. You stated content creators on YouTube get shit from Tesla for making videos about Tesla products. This is false.

Now, you want to twist your lie into the referral program.
https://www.tesla.com/support/loot-box
Do you see YouTube videos mentioned? Stop lying.

Referral program to strangers via a video. Sounds like advertising to me and they got free stuff from Tesla for doing it. Sounds like paid advertising to me. But for you, It’s all a lie and Tesla never advertised.

 

[mildone]

Referral program to strangers via a video. Sounds like advertising to me and they got free stuff from Tesla for doing it. Sounds like paid advertising to me. But for you, It’s all a lie and Tesla never advertised.

It cracks me up that he's accusing you of lying while insisting that Tesla didn't advertise, which is am obvious lie. Even Lord Elon now realizes there's no value in propagating such a silly lie anymore. "I think I'll give advertising a try". LOL

 

[jtung230]

I think it was very smart for Tesla to go that route. They couldn’t meet the demand before so no need to mass market. Plus, they don’t have any liability when some fool on YouTube make sh1t up. It’s like Tesla doesn’t report sales by model but there is a report out there saying Model Y is the best selling car in Q1.

 

[mildone]

I think it was very smart for Tesla to go that route. They couldn’t meet the demand before so no need to mass market. Plus, they don’t have any liability when some fool on YouTube make sh1t up. It’s like Tesla doesn’t report sales by model but there is a report out there saying Model Y is the best selling car in Q1.

Totally agree. When there was no competition, and the cars had that newfangled gearless instant torque to excite the uninitiated, the cars sold themselves for the most part. And now that competition is coming, it makes sense to openly advertise and delay the inevitable. I have zero objections to what Tesla has done and is doing.

All my mockery is for the sycophants and adulators. And even then, it's pretty gentle mockery because it's not that bad to be super excited about stuff to the point of looking a little foolish.

We could all do with some child-like enthusiasm in our lives, right?

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Referral program to strangers via a video. Sounds like advertising to me and they got free stuff from Tesla for doing it. Sounds like paid advertising to me. But for you, It’s all a lie and Tesla never advertised.

Illiterate or dumb. Can't decide. Please stop embarrassing yourself

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

 

[jtung230]

Illiterate or dumb. Can't decide. Please stop embarrassing yourself

I could be illiterate and dumb but at least I understand how marketing works. You should take your own advice sometimes.

 

[fsg2]

The American-bound VW ID. Buzz long wheelbase is looking good. Three rows, six or seven seats, available AWD ... gonna be a fun, little MPV and camper.

Not seeing any range given, but it has a larger battery than the smaller Euro version so hopefully will be comparable and over 200 miles EPA. Still too low, but getting there ..

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/02/cars/volkswagen-id-buzz-vw-bus/index.html

 

[RU4Real]

The American-bound VW ID. Buzz long wheelbase is looking good. Three rows, six or seven seats, available AWD ... gonna be a fun, little MPV and camper.

Not seeing any range given, but it has a larger battery than the smaller Euro version so hopefully will be comparable and over 200 miles EPA. Still too low, but getting there ..

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/02/cars/volkswagen-id-buzz-vw-bus/index.html

I predict an initial rush of sales followed by a slow, languishing death.

It's gonna be f*ck-all expensive (current estimates at 40k will likely be too little, by half) and it's slow. Not as slow as the original Microbus, but slow enough (with a top speed limited to under 100 mph) that a lot of customers will be unwilling or unable to justify the price.

I like it. I think it's really cool. But neither of those feelings is strong enough to convince me to drive one every day.

 

[fsg2]

I predict an initial rush of sales followed by a slow, languishing death.

It's gonna be f*ck-all expensive (current estimates at 40k will likely be too little, by half) and it's slow. Not as slow as the original Microbus, but slow enough (with a top speed limited to under 100 mph) that a lot of customers will be unwilling or unable to justify the price.

I like it. I think it's really cool. But neither of those feelings is strong enough to convince me to drive one every day.

Yeah, I saw 40K, which would be sweet. Also saw 65K, which sounded more like what I'd expect.

At 40, I'd consider it pretty hard for a next car, but no way at 65+.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

 

[RU4Real]

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Technically not on sale yet.

 

[jtung230]

I predict an initial rush of sales followed by a slow, languishing death.

It's gonna be f*ck-all expensive (current estimates at 40k will likely be too little, by half) and it's slow. Not as slow as the original Microbus, but slow enough (with a top speed limited to under 100 mph) that a lot of customers will be unwilling or unable to justify the price.

I like it. I think it's really cool. But neither of those feelings is strong enough to convince me to drive one every day.

Who is driving over 100 mph in a 7 seater? it has utility and following. Think it will do well. The 0-60 thing is so overrated.

 

[RU4Real]

Who is driving over 100 mph in a 7 seater? it has utility and following. Think it will do well. The 0-60 thing is so overrated.

Overrated? There are 3 intersections I can think of off the top of my head, within 5 miles of me, where getting onto Rt. 9 requires genuine acceleration.

 

[jtung230]

Overrated? There are 3 intersections I can think of off the top of my head, within 5 miles of me, where getting onto Rt. 9 requires genuine acceleration.

does everyone around you have a car that does 0-60 under 8 secs? Do you need to go over 100 mph for the merge? We are not talking about 10+ secs.

 

[RU4Real]

does everyone around you have a car that does 0-60 under 8 secs? Do you need to go over 100 mph for the merge? We are not talking about 10+ secs.

The ones that can't (or don't) invariably cause traffic flow interruptions.

I require +100 for highways. It's not really that fast. In this day and age every car on the road should be able to comfortably and safely exceed 100 mph. Any car that can't, is not for me.

 

[jtung230]

The ones that can't (or don't) invariably cause traffic flow interruptions.

I require +100 for highways. It's not really that fast. In this day and age every car on the road should be able to comfortably and safely exceed 100 mph. Any car that can't, is not for me.

Safely exceed 100 mph just doesn’t go together. Most breaks are not designed to stop a car going that fast.

 

[mildone]

Safely exceed 100 mph just doesn’t go together. Most breaks are not designed to stop a car going that fast.

The brakes are not likely to be the problem, in most cases - they will stop the car just fine. It's the tires and suspensions that can become problematic in many cars. Tires issues, aging and/or cheap suspensions can totally ruin the casual speeder's day, transforming a car's stability.

Having said that, given safe circumstances (e.g. low traffic, high visibility, great road surface, low wind), a properly alert and experienced driver, and a car equipped to safely do so, there's nothing inherently unsafe about going 110 versus 80.

The real problem, IMO, is that too many people drive in poorly maintained cars and/or in bad conditions, while staying in low attention-mode. Forget 100+, even at a pedestrian 60mph, that's the real deadly risk.

 

[RU4Real]

Safely exceed 100 mph just doesn’t go together. Most breaks are not designed to stop a car going that fast.

This is simply an incorrect statement.

And it's "brakes".