OT: Electric vehicles

[mildone]

Elon Musk decided to create the Cybertruck because he thought Ford's trucks were 'boring,' biographer says

Elon Musk isn't a fan of Ford's traditional pickup trucks and his distaste helped spawn the Cybertruck, according to author Walter Isaacson.

www.yahoo.com

Was this another 420 idea?

The Cybertruck is Musks answer to his opinion that the F150 is boring? Seriously?

The Cybertruck is “not boring“ much in the same way that falling face-first into a tub of diarrhea from an Ebola patient is “not boring”.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

 

[mildone]

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[jtung230]

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Does it still come with bulletproof glass?

 

[bac2therac]

bahahahaha

New Gas Cars Phased Out In NJ After 2035 Under Murphy's Proposed Plan

Critics say the plan "will make new cars virtually unaffordable for working and middle-class consumers."

patch.com

 

[lne001]

Does it still come with bulletproof glass?

Would you please refer me to where Musk or any Tesla employee ever said the Cybertruck glass would be 'bulletproof."

God, I can't believe I'm responding to anything you posted.

 

[Knight Shift]

Would you please refer me to where Musk or any Tesla employee ever said the Cybertruck glass would be 'bulletproof."

God, I can't believe I'm responding to anything you posted.

May God help you!
This was pretty well-known.

 

[jtung230]

Would you please refer me to where Musk or any Tesla employee ever said the Cybertruck glass would be 'bulletproof."

God, I can't believe I'm responding to anything you posted.

Tesla Armor Glass patent reveals 'bulletproof' secret to Cybertruck durability

Tesla rolled out several new patents related to the Cybertruck today, one of them being the “bulletproof” Armor Glass that CEO Elon Musk talked about on several occasions. The Cybertruck’s durability has been one of the vehicle’s most notorious features. The patent describes the multi-layered...

www.teslarati.com

I know it was like 4 years ago.

 

[mildone]

Would you please refer me to where Musk or any Tesla employee ever said the Cybertruck glass would be 'bulletproof."

God, I can't believe I'm responding to anything you posted.

What flavor ice cream would you like with your great big slice of humble pie?

 

[lne001]

May God help you!
This was pretty well-known.

Tesla Armor Glass patent reveals 'bulletproof' secret to Cybertruck durability

Tesla rolled out several new patents related to the Cybertruck today, one of them being the “bulletproof” Armor Glass that CEO Elon Musk talked about on several occasions. The Cybertruck’s durability has been one of the vehicle’s most notorious features. The patent describes the multi-layered...

www.teslarati.com

I know it was like 4 years ago.

What flavor ice cream would you like with your great big slice of humble pie?

I believe I asked for an example of Musk or any Tesla employee saying that Cybertruck glass would be bulletproof. I'm still waiting, and will be for a long, long time. Bulletproof means resistant to bullets, not resistant to thrown steel balls.

Should be easy to find for you Cybertruck experts.

 

[newell138]

bahahahaha

New Gas Cars Phased Out In NJ After 2035 Under Murphy's Proposed Plan

Critics say the plan "will make new cars virtually unaffordable for working and middle-class consumers."

patch.com

Let them eat cake!

 

[Knight Shift]

I believe I asked for an example of Musk or any Tesla employee saying that Cybertruck glass would be bulletproof. I'm still waiting, and will be for a long, long time. Bulletproof means resistant to bullets, not resistant to thrown steel balls.

Should be easy to find for you Cybertruck experts.

I hate posts like this, and I don't know you, and I really don't want to be in a war of splitting hairs. I have stated multiple times that I am agnostic to Tesla. I admire what Musk and Tesla have accomplished, particularly their economy of scale. I have no interest in any current Tesla model because I dislike their styling and some of their choices--lack of phone integration (if that's still a problem), but let's stick to the topic at hand.

Please, gracefully take the loss here.

In the first video I posted, did you see the background red letters "DEMO TESLA ARMOR GLASS"? Was that Elon Musk taking part in the demonstration?

@jtung230 cited a patent. I have not read said patent, but here's an article from Teslarati, which is a Tesla fanboy website that purportedly reports accurately on all things Tesla:
"Tesla rolled out several new patents related to the Cybertruck today, one of them being the “bulletproof” Armor Glass that CEO Elon Musk talked about on several occasions."

"When Musk joined Jay Leno in a Cybertruck ride that was aired on MSNBC’s Jay Leno’s Garage a year ago today, the former late-night TV show host asked the Tesla CEO why anyone would want bulletproof, armored glass on their truck.


“Because it’s badass, and it’s super cool,” Musk quickly replied. “Do you want your truck to be bulletproof or not?”"

Tesla Armor Glass patent reveals 'bulletproof' secret to Cybertruck durability

Tesla rolled out several new patents related to the Cybertruck today, one of them being the “bulletproof” Armor Glass that CEO Elon Musk talked about on several occasions. The Cybertruck’s durability has been one of the vehicle’s most notorious features. The patent describes the multi-layered...

www.teslarati.com

 

[lne001]

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the first video I posted, did you see the background red letters "DEMO TESLA ARMOR GLASS"? Was that Elon Musk taking part in the demonstration?

Armor Glass is not bulletproof glass. Go to Armor Glass's website, as I did, and notice that they never use the term 'bulletproof."' Musk has never stated nor implied that that Armor Glass was bulletproof, and that is not splitting hairs.

"Tesla rolled out several new patents related to the Cybertruck today, one of them being the “bulletproof” Armor Glass that CEO Elon Musk talked about on several occasions."

Same comment as above. Oh, by the way, Teslarati is as capable of misunderstanding/misstating as the three of you guys.

"When Musk joined Jay Leno in a Cybertruck ride that was aired on MSNBC’s Jay Leno’s Garage a year ago today, the former late-night TV show host asked the Tesla CEO why anyone would want bulletproof, armored glass on their truck.

This is blatantly wrong. The exact conversation was as follows .

May I suggest you rewatch the original Cybertruck unveiling on YouTube and pay more attention this time.

 

[Knight Shift]

Armor Glass is not bulletproof glass. Go to Armor Glass's website, as I did, and notice that they never use the term 'bulletproof."' Musk has never stated nor implied that that Armor Glass was bulletproof, and that is not splitting hairs.


Same comment as above. Oh, by the way, Teslarati is as capable of misunderstanding/misstating as the three of you guys.


This is blatantly wrong. The exact conversation was as follows

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May I suggest you rewatch the original Cybertruck unveiling on YouTube and pay more attention this time.

You lose. Right out of Musk's mouth. I'm sure you will backtrack and explain away.
May I suggest you give up?

 

[mildone]

Poor guy’s choking on his humble pie.

 

[lne001]

You lose. Right out of Musk's mouth. I'm sure you will backtrack and explain away.
May I suggest you give up?

So when he says to Rogan that it will be bulletproof you assume he is talking about the glass and not the stainless steel body, even though the original presentation explicitly showed the effect of a 9mm impact on the steel but not on the glass. That would be an incorrect assumption.

I see you have dropped your first three examples of Musk stating that the glass was bulletproof. Do you at least acknowledge that you totally misunderstood or misstated each of them, especially the Leno interview?

Believe what you want, and I'll do the same, and nobody will give a damn.

 

[lne001]

Poor guy’s choking on his humble pie.

I love Humble Pie, particularly this track.

 

[RUevolution36]

Poor guy’s choking on his humble pie.

Or something else...

 

[RUevolution36]

First Tesla Cybertruck to Roll Off the Line Looks Like It Has a Misaligned Door

Tesla has produced its very first Cybertruck at Gigafactory Texas, but it looks like the vehicle came out with a misaligned passenger door.

www.thedrive.com

 

[Knight Shift]

So when he says to Rogan that it will be bulletproof you assume he is talking about the glass and not the stainless steel body, even though the original presentation explicitly showed the effect of a 9mm impact on the steel but not on the glass. That would be an incorrect assumption.

I see you have dropped your first three examples of Musk stating that the glass was bulletproof. Do you at least acknowledge that you totally misunderstood or misstated each of them, especially the Leno interview?

Believe what you want, and I'll do the same, and nobody will give a damn.

 

[Knight Shift]

First Tesla Cybertruck to Roll Off the Line Looks Like It Has a Misaligned Door

Tesla has produced its very first Cybertruck at Gigafactory Texas, but it looks like the vehicle came out with a misaligned passenger door.

www.thedrive.com

Not a Tesla hater, but that article is chock full of Tesla mishaps.

Tesla Model Y Owners Find Cooling System Cobbled Together With Home Depot-Grade Fake Wood

The world's most valuable automaker, ladies and gentlemen.

www.thedrive.com

These Repair Bulletins for Tesla's Quality Problems Are Downright Embarrassing—and Serious

Directly from the NHTSA.

www.thedrive.com

 

[RU4Real]

Not that I care enough to have a dog in this fight, but it would be much less stupid to claim that the vehicle glass is bulletproof than to claim that the body is bulletproof.

For a body panel to stop a 9mm, it would need to be about 1/4" thick (assuming stainless steel). The average thickness of a body panel, depending on which panel it is, is between 0.5mm and 2mm. So your bulletproof panel would have to be 3x to 6x thicker - and heavier.

If, on average, 30% of a vehicle's total weight is BIW ("body in white", the industry term for all of the body panels, untreated and unpainted) and we assume that a CT weighs about 5000 lbs then to make it "bulletproof" would require an additional 2+ tons of weight.

Glass, on the other hand, can be made "bulletproof" through the use of polycarbonate which, between the weight of the thicker glass and the additional weight required by heavier motors, tracks, actuators, etc., typically adds about 400 lbs. in total weight to the vehicle.

All this is to say that claiming "he meant the body, not the windows" is a bit far-fetched.

 

[Knight Shift]

Not that I care enough to have a dog in this fight, but it would be much less stupid to claim that the vehicle glass is bulletproof than to claim that the body is bulletproof.

For a body panel to stop a 9mm, it would need to be about 1/4" thick (assuming stainless steel). The average thickness of a body panel, depending on which panel it is, is between 0.5mm and 2mm. So your bulletproof panel would have to be 3x to 6x thicker - and heavier.

If, on average, 30% of a vehicle's total weight is BIW ("body in white", the industry term for all of the body panels, untreated and unpainted) and we assume that a CT weighs about 5000 lbs then to make it "bulletproof" would require an additional 2+ tons of weight.

Glass, on the other hand, can be made "bulletproof" through the use of polycarbonate which, between the weight of the thicker glass and the additional weight required by heavier motors, tracks, actuators, etc., typically adds about 400 lbs. in total weight to the vehicle.

All this is to say that claiming "he meant the body, not the windows" is a bit far-fetched.

Materials science guy here. Not going to check the thickness of stainless steel, but according to a Tesla patent, the stainless steel is 30X cold-rolled, which apparently improves the ballistic properties. Musk has claimed the thickness of the panels is 3 mm. 🤷‍♂️

Bulletproof Steel On Cybertruck Patented by Tesla

The Tesla Cybertruck is going into production soon and Tesla has a patent on its cold rolled steel that will be bullettproof to hand guns.

www.torquenews.com

A sheet metal engineer disagrees. I would not drive through a war zone expecting bulletproof anything.

Cybertruck: Elon, You're Wrong on Forming Stainless Steel | StampingSimulation

Sheet metal engineer gives a review on forming stainless steel has described by Elon Musk. Is the exoskeleton of the cybertruck really bulletproof?

stampingsimulation.com

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Stainless steel body panels were described as bulletproof to a 9mm handgun during the CT reveal. Nothing about the glass being bulletproof.
As usual, @jtung230 posted misinformation.

 

[RU4Real]

Materials science guy here. Not going to check the thickness of stainless steel, but according to a Tesla patent, the stainless steel is 30X cold-rolled, which apparently improves the ballistic properties. Musk has claimed the thickness of the panels is 3 mm. 🤷‍♂️

Bulletproof Steel On Cybertruck Patented by Tesla

The Tesla Cybertruck is going into production soon and Tesla has a patent on its cold rolled steel that will be bullettproof to hand guns.

www.torquenews.com

A sheet metal engineer disagrees. I would not drive through a war zone expecting bulletproof anything.

Cybertruck: Elon, You're Wrong on Forming Stainless Steel | StampingSimulation

Sheet metal engineer gives a review on forming stainless steel has described by Elon Musk. Is the exoskeleton of the cybertruck really bulletproof?

stampingsimulation.com

I think the 2nd guy has the right of it.

From a ballistics perspective, steel with a very high tensile strength used as structural body panels on vehicles is very unlikely to be "bulletproof" for the simple reason that energy from the projectile has to be dissipated somehow and high tensile strength steel isn't going to do that. What it's going to do is break / shatter.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Materials science guy here. Not going to check the thickness of stainless steel, but according to a Tesla patent, the stainless steel is 30X cold-rolled, which apparently improves the ballistic properties. Musk has claimed the thickness of the panels is 3 mm. 🤷‍♂️

Bulletproof Steel On Cybertruck Patented by Tesla

The Tesla Cybertruck is going into production soon and Tesla has a patent on its cold rolled steel that will be bullettproof to hand guns.

www.torquenews.com

A sheet metal engineer disagrees. I would not drive through a war zone expecting bulletproof anything.

Cybertruck: Elon, You're Wrong on Forming Stainless Steel | StampingSimulation

Sheet metal engineer gives a review on forming stainless steel has described by Elon Musk. Is the exoskeleton of the cybertruck really bulletproof?

stampingsimulation.com

I think the idea is the body of CT will be dent resistant (to a degree) and scratches are an easy DIY fix; something truck owners may be interested in.
FWIW, there was a demo video shown during the reveal of the bulletproof capabilities.

 

[jtung230]

Stainless steel body panels were described as bulletproof to a 9mm handgun during the CT reveal. Nothing about the glass being bulletproof.
As usual, @jtung230 posted misinformation.

I linked Teslarati article for you. I know that site is always making sh1t up about Tesla so can’t be trusted.

 

[mildone]

I'm happy to point out the flaws of any car I own. And happy to mock the ridiculous marketing nonsense spewed by the manufacturers of those cars. I can already name flaws in the 2 new cars I have coming in and they haven't even been built yet.

Conversely, the Teslerati become intensely and often angrily defensive of any perceived slight to cars they don't own. Or, in this case, cars nobody owns yet. And they treat Tesla marketing hyperbole as if it's some kind of God-etched absolute truth.

In a lifetime of being a "car guy" with thousands of hours of reading and talking cars with people who love cars, I've never seen anything like it. It's way up there on the mass social behavior weirdness scale.

 

[Knight Shift]

Stainless steel body panels were described as bulletproof to a 9mm handgun during the CT reveal. Nothing about the glass being bulletproof.
As usual, @jtung230 posted misinformation.

That's not what Elon said to Joe Rogan in the video posted above. Maybe Elon corrected himself later. Sorry, but going by the words of Musk is a fairly safe bet. Every CEO makes missstatements once in a while, and perhaps that is what happened here?

 

[Knight Shift]

I think the 2nd guy has the right of it.

From a ballistics perspective, steel with a very high tensile strength used as structural body panels on vehicles is very unlikely to be "bulletproof" for the simple reason that energy from the projectile has to be dissipated somehow and high tensile strength steel isn't going to do that. What it's going to do is break / shatter.

I'm thinking that perhaps some sort of composite material with interwoven carbon or other ceramic fibers with a metal might do the trick, but I'm just spitballing on this one.

 

[RU4Real]

I'm thinking that perhaps some sort of composite material with interwoven carbon or other ceramic fibers with a metal might do the trick, but I'm just spitballing on this one.

The most successful bulletproof plating tends to be sacrificial (carbon fiber comes to mind) so that the destruction of some small amount of the plating material absorbs the energy of the projectile.

 

[mildone]

The most successful bulletproof plating tends to be sacrificial (carbon fiber comes to mind) so that the destruction of some small amount of the plating material absorbs the energy of the projectile.

True.

Speaking of sacrifices, small children also make for great energy absorption of projectiles people are shooting at us. The bonus is they can be shifted around to accommodate changes in the shooting angles.

Of course, that leaves us fewer small children we can sell to pay for our new cars. So the solution isn't entirely rainbows and unicorn farts.

 

[RUevolution36]

Will the Nissan Skyline morph into an electric crossover? - Autoblog

The next-generation Nissan Skyline due out in 2025 will land as an electric crossover with Ariya-derived underpinnings, according to a rumor.

www.autoblog.com

i absolutely hate these carmakers taking iconic models and bastardizing their name for the sake of branding.

Mustang
Corvette

and now...

Skyline.

UGH.

 

[fsg2]

Will the Nissan Skyline morph into an electric crossover? - Autoblog

The next-generation Nissan Skyline due out in 2025 will land as an electric crossover with Ariya-derived underpinnings, according to a rumor.

www.autoblog.com

i absolutely hate these carmakers taking iconic models and bastardizing their name for the sake of branding.

Mustang
Corvette

and now...

Skyline.

UGH.

Agree.

Chevy Blazer is another.

 

[Lerxst72]

So the solution isn't entirely rainbows and unicorn farts.

Yeah... but, is anything 100% besides the ol Death & Taxes?

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

I linked Teslarati article for you. I know that site is always making sh1t up about Tesla so can’t be trusted.

So you knew it was misinformation, but posted anyway. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[RUevolution36]

Agree.

Chevy Blazer is another.

at least the blazer is still reminiscient of its original truck form.

mustang - 2 door sports coupe/convertible - muscle car legend
corvette - 2 door sports coupe/convertible - american sports/muscle car legend
skyline - 2 door/4 door sporty coupe/sedan - best known as the basis of the GTR

taking these and using their namesakes on crossovers/SUV's is sacrilege.

 

[fsg2]

at least the blazer is still reminiscient of its original truck form.

mustang - 2 door sports coupe/convertible - muscle car legend
corvette - 2 door sports coupe/convertible - american sports/muscle car legend
skyline - 2 door/4 door sporty coupe/sedan - best known as the basis of the GTR

taking these and using their namesakes on crossovers/SUV's is sacrilege.

It is not. Neither in form nor purpose.

The Ford Bronco is reminiscent of the Blazer's original form, though.

 

[RU4Real]

Will the Nissan Skyline morph into an electric crossover? - Autoblog

The next-generation Nissan Skyline due out in 2025 will land as an electric crossover with Ariya-derived underpinnings, according to a rumor.

www.autoblog.com

i absolutely hate these carmakers taking iconic models and bastardizing their name for the sake of branding.

Mustang
Corvette

and now...

Skyline.

UGH.

I don't think "Corvette" belongs on your shame list.

The C8 is a normally aspirated V8. The Z06 is a performance hybrid.

 

[fsg2]

I don't think "Corvette" belongs on your shame list.

The C8 is a normally aspirated V8. The Z06 is a performance hybrid.

Think he meant the upcoming SUVette.