Which EV's are piling up on dealer lots? I guess it's only those EV's sold by dealers.
I went to a local Hyundai dealer to see their EV's only to find out that they don't even have a demo on site because they can't get them from Hyundai.
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I went to a local Hyundai dealer to see their EV's only to find out that they don't even have a demo on site because they can't get them from Hyundai.
IDK. That story listed them. Axios is a questionable source, but I thought if correct the story would be of interest. Maybe its a regional issue?
Axios a questionable source? What? Axios is a solid media outlets and the article was fact-based reporting.
I agree. If true, it's an interesting presentation of potential trends.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Cox (the parent company of Axios and Cox Automotive, and numerous other interests, and the supplier of the "data") has some agenda that results in them want to put a spin on the article. But neither would I be surprised to learn it's pretty much accurate.
IMO, it's *always* a good idea to maintain some degree of skepticism of all such articles regardless of who the source(s) is/are. Seems like pretty much everyone in media these days has some agenda or another. Not necessarily evil; just biased towards their own interests.
You're a very trusting soul. 🙂
Except, now that I think about it (and reading between the lines since I've never seen his show even once), for Tucker Carlson whom you appear to distrust quite a lot.
OTOH, since Bac used to cite TC often, on the CE board, in support of some of our former president's more nutty shenanigans, that doesn't exactly provide a ringing endorsement of TC's trustworthiness as an impartial conveyor of fact. So there is that.
These cars have dropped in value, with one brand leading the way
A shift in consumer demand and drops in Tesla's new vehicle prices have driven a significant drop in used EV pricing.
EV leading the way
Most fun EV of the year? Grown-ass-man RC car with electric powertrain.
www.topgear.com
Even comes with a big sticker sheet so you can put your own decals on.
Tamiya Wild One Max: a closer look at the £35k road-legal RC car
A big toy for big kids from the Little Car Company: a radio-controlled car you can really *drive*
Even comes with a big sticker sheet so you can put your own decals on.
SIAP but came across this story about a hilarious car ad and, despite the article being old, thought I'd post a link for anybody wanting to brighten their day with a chuckle or two.
Warning: it's not about production or sales statistics - so sorry to disappoint.
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Warning: it's not about production or sales statistics - so sorry to disappoint.
The Story Behind That Hilarious Toyota Corolla Craigslist Ad
It’s extremely hard to be funny in the written word, so much so that you should probably not even try. Which makes this Craigslist ad all the more remarkable, because it is very funny. So much so that we’re contravening an unofficial Jalopnik policy of not posting Zany Craigslist Ads to this...
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You could write a book called "A Quiet Troll". I'd buy it. 😀
These cars have dropped in value, with one brand leading the way
A shift in consumer demand and drops in Tesla's new vehicle prices have driven a significant drop in used EV pricing.www.yahoo.com
EV leading the way
I wonder how accurate the numbers out of iSeeCars really is. Not enough to go look (because I'm lazy, just ask @WhichReligionIsRight). Their motivation is selling cars, so... not clear to me why they publish such an article.
Regardless, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that as new car prices dropped, it would cause a drop in used car prices for the affected models. Ironic how a company with a large group of fanatically loyal and worshipful customers is showing them no loyalty whatsoever. Thank-you sir, may I have another. The beatings will stop when morale improves.
Meanwhile, the self-proclaimed "alpha males" on Rennlist are having an online flex contest in a thread by a guy putting his used but barely driven new 992 GT3RS up for auction. Highest bid so far is 160K over MSRP. Half the rennlisters in the thread are bashing the guy for being a flipper, despite the guy claiming to be selling because he recently stopping drinking. Half are supporting his right to flip the almost new car for a profit.
Meanwhile, it's said that a child dies of hunger every 10 seconds. Strange world, this.
Lovely SUV.
techcrunch.com
Kia to invest $200M in Georgia plant to build EV9 SUV | TechCrunch
Kia's flagship EV9 SUV, which will be built in Georgia, may qualify for federal EV tax credits worth up to $7,500.
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Lovely SUV.
Kia to invest $200M in Georgia plant to build EV9 SUV | TechCrunch
Kia's flagship EV9 SUV, which will be built in Georgia, may qualify for federal EV tax credits worth up to $7,500.
Ya think? We're not aligned on this one. To me its chunkiness is too much of a departure from the sort of design that says "I know Cd is the most important thing ever".
I like it, except for the ugly wheels that are a constant with all Hyundai Motor Group cars. But I could replace those easy enough.
On second glance, I dislike the rear quarter windows - another weird case of sacrificing visibility for what I can only imagine is perceived as flair. But overall, I like it. Okay, maybe the front end is a bit too dotty.
2600 LB EV sports car (concept). Impressive weight, estimated 250 mile range, estimated 0-62 of 4.5s. Nice enough looking. Estimated $100K price if they take it to production.
www.motortrend.com
Caterham Project V: Simplify and Add Electricity?
Does this prove that electric sports cars don't have to be excessively heavy?
Or for off-road fun instead, EV Jeep Recon. Maybe $60K.
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2025 Jeep Recon: The Electric Almost-Wrangler
Everything we know about Jeep’s new electric off-road SUV.
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One of Tesla’s biggest challengers in China has called on the US government to offer Chinese electric vehicles equal access to the American market, arguing carmakers should not be enmeshed in political tensions between the superpowers. William Li, founder and chief executive of Shanghai-headquartered Nio, questioned why Chinese companies faced hurdles selling their high-tech cars to American consumers while Tesla boss Elon Musk was given red-carpet treatment by senior Chinese government officials last month. “The world should be more open and stop politicising business,” Li said in an interview with the Financial Times. “The global political climate has become totally different from that when we set up our company back in 2015, especially after the pandemic stirred up division and antagonism.” Nio has international credentials. Li noted that as well as being listed in New York, more than three-quarters of the company’s investors came from outside China. His criticism of US protectionism highlights the uncertainty over foreign market access for Chinese companies, just as a clutch of rising EV makers, including BYD, Xpeng and Li Auto, are aggressively expanding overseas. Exports have become increasingly important for Chinese EV companies. The domestic car market — the world’s biggest — has been extremely competitive since Musk sparked a price war last year in a bid to chase market share. Last week, Nio joined a group of Chinese carmakers and Tesla in a pledge to enhance “core socialist values” and compete fairly after Beijing directed the industry to rein in the months-long price war.
However, access to the US is complicated by high tariffs on vehicles from China. There is also uncertainty over access to subsidies and the treatment of Chinese-branded vehicles and China-made EV components under Joe Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act, which is aimed at boosting domestic manufacturing and cutting American economic dependency on China. “Chinese consumers have a wide range of [new energy vehicles] to choose from. Why can’t these products be enjoyed by US consumers as well?” Li said. While Nio has yet to export a single car to the US, it faces growing competition at home. The company delivered 23,520 vehicles in the second quarter in China. Its share in the domestic market for pure electric cars and plug-in hybrids shrank to 1.3 per cent from 2.3 per cent in the first quarter. Nio recorded a net loss of $699.5mn and a gross margin of 1.5 per cent in the first three months of the year, compared with a loss of $281.2mn and a margin of 14.6 per cent in the first quarter of 2022. Following analyst criticism of its cash burn rate as it tried to boost sales, the company secured a $740mn investment in June from Abu Dhabi-backed CYVN Holdings. Li’s call for improved US market access comes as China is expected to overtake Japan as the world’s biggest car exporter this year after taking the second spot from Germany last year. Given the barriers to selling cars to Americans, Nio and its fellow Chinese EV makers are focusing their efforts on Europe, where new emissions rules are incentivising a rapid switch to EVs from the internal combustion engine.
Nio last year began deploying battery swap stations across the region, where vehicles batteries can be removed and swapped out for fresh ones instead of recharged in a process that takes just minutes. It is targeting close to 1,000 such stations by 2025. Li is betting that technology and services will be a key point of difference from legacy carmakers, which are already struggling to keep up with Tesla. Among premium services popular with middle-class Chinese consumers are free designated drivers and shared office spaces, as well as free repairs. Li also hit back at perceptions that the company’s success in China — and the decline of some foreign rivals — has been driven by rising patriotism among younger Chinese consumers. “Chinese consumers are just like consumers everywhere around the world, they focus on quality,” he said, warning that foreign brands failing to keep pace with Chinese innovation would end up in a “dangerous situation”.
Well, Mr. Li...Subscribe to read
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One of Tesla’s biggest challengers in China has called on the US government to offer Chinese electric vehicles equal access to the American market, arguing carmakers should not be enmeshed in political tensions between the superpowers. William Li, founder and chief executive of Shanghai-headquartered Nio, questioned why Chinese companies faced hurdles selling their high-tech cars to American consumers while Tesla boss Elon Musk was given red-carpet treatment by senior Chinese government officials last month. “The world should be more open and stop politicising business,” Li said in an interview with the Financial Times. “The global political climate has become totally different from that when we set up our company back in 2015, especially after the pandemic stirred up division and antagonism.” Nio has international credentials. Li noted that as well as being listed in New York, more than three-quarters of the company’s investors came from outside China. His criticism of US protectionism highlights the uncertainty over foreign market access for Chinese companies, just as a clutch of rising EV makers, including BYD, Xpeng and Li Auto, are aggressively expanding overseas. Exports have become increasingly important for Chinese EV companies. The domestic car market — the world’s biggest — has been extremely competitive since Musk sparked a price war last year in a bid to chase market share. Last week, Nio joined a group of Chinese carmakers and Tesla in a pledge to enhance “core socialist values” and compete fairly after Beijing directed the industry to rein in the months-long price war.
However, access to the US is complicated by high tariffs on vehicles from China. There is also uncertainty over access to subsidies and the treatment of Chinese-branded vehicles and China-made EV components under Joe Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act, which is aimed at boosting domestic manufacturing and cutting American economic dependency on China. “Chinese consumers have a wide range of [new energy vehicles] to choose from. Why can’t these products be enjoyed by US consumers as well?” Li said. While Nio has yet to export a single car to the US, it faces growing competition at home. The company delivered 23,520 vehicles in the second quarter in China. Its share in the domestic market for pure electric cars and plug-in hybrids shrank to 1.3 per cent from 2.3 per cent in the first quarter. Nio recorded a net loss of $699.5mn and a gross margin of 1.5 per cent in the first three months of the year, compared with a loss of $281.2mn and a margin of 14.6 per cent in the first quarter of 2022. Following analyst criticism of its cash burn rate as it tried to boost sales, the company secured a $740mn investment in June from Abu Dhabi-backed CYVN Holdings. Li’s call for improved US market access comes as China is expected to overtake Japan as the world’s biggest car exporter this year after taking the second spot from Germany last year. Given the barriers to selling cars to Americans, Nio and its fellow Chinese EV makers are focusing their efforts on Europe, where new emissions rules are incentivising a rapid switch to EVs from the internal combustion engine.
Nio last year began deploying battery swap stations across the region, where vehicles batteries can be removed and swapped out for fresh ones instead of recharged in a process that takes just minutes. It is targeting close to 1,000 such stations by 2025. Li is betting that technology and services will be a key point of difference from legacy carmakers, which are already struggling to keep up with Tesla. Among premium services popular with middle-class Chinese consumers are free designated drivers and shared office spaces, as well as free repairs. Li also hit back at perceptions that the company’s success in China — and the decline of some foreign rivals — has been driven by rising patriotism among younger Chinese consumers. “Chinese consumers are just like consumers everywhere around the world, they focus on quality,” he said, warning that foreign brands failing to keep pace with Chinese innovation would end up in a “dangerous situation”.
I don't know what else comes in the performance pack, but if it's just extra power, I'm not sure it's worth the extra money and reduced range.
Most SUVs are not very good looking cars, IMO. I think the Aston Martin's are pretty nice, as SUVs go, though.
OTOH, I think the Land Rovers are pretty great looking for the most part, top of the line appearance-wise for SUVs. But they are so notoriously unreliable, I've always been reluctant to get one.
I've got the '24 Cayenne S coming, and while I think the '24 models are, with the right set of options, a lot better looking than the earlier model-years, they're still not great looking to me. I had a Suburban and thought it was butt-ugly. So appearance isn't really something that drives my SUV buying.
That's a good looking car - I've seen a few on the road around town. A bit pricey.
If it takes all those people to build one truck I don't think they're gonna make any money. 😂
They needed all those people in the photo to hide ugliness of the vehicle behind them. The not so subtle message being: “please buy this butt-ugly thing so all these people can keep their jobs.”. Strange marketing message - begging for pity - maybe Tesla should rethink it?
I watched a cool video of some Porsches, including lots of footage of the Taycan, being built in the Stuttgart factory. It’s really interesting to me in a Shades of Terminator way with all the robotics involved. Reveals lots of intimate engineering and design details about both the cars and the process. Lots of people still heavily involved, but I wonder how much longer.
Anyway, I didn’t feel compelled to rush over here and post the video. If Porsche wants me to participate in marketing their brand, beyond buying and driving their cars, they‘re gonna have to pay me lots of money to do so.
In other words, Chinese companies should have access to the US market the likes of which US companies have not had in China. Oh, and don't you dare criticize the Chinese government for anything.Subscribe to read
One of Tesla’s biggest challengers in China has called on the US government to offer Chinese electric vehicles equal access to the American market, arguing carmakers should not be enmeshed in political tensions between the superpowers. William Li, founder and chief executive of Shanghai-headquartered Nio, questioned why Chinese companies faced hurdles selling their high-tech cars to American consumers while Tesla boss Elon Musk was given red-carpet treatment by senior Chinese government officials last month. “The world should be more open and stop politicising business,” Li said in an interview with the Financial Times. “The global political climate has become totally different from that when we set up our company back in 2015, especially after the pandemic stirred up division and antagonism.” Nio has international credentials. Li noted that as well as being listed in New York, more than three-quarters of the company’s investors came from outside China. His criticism of US protectionism highlights the uncertainty over foreign market access for Chinese companies, just as a clutch of rising EV makers, including BYD, Xpeng and Li Auto, are aggressively expanding overseas. Exports have become increasingly important for Chinese EV companies. The domestic car market — the world’s biggest — has been extremely competitive since Musk sparked a price war last year in a bid to chase market share. Last week, Nio joined a group of Chinese carmakers and Tesla in a pledge to enhance “core socialist values” and compete fairly after Beijing directed the industry to rein in the months-long price war.
However, access to the US is complicated by high tariffs on vehicles from China. There is also uncertainty over access to subsidies and the treatment of Chinese-branded vehicles and China-made EV components under Joe Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act, which is aimed at boosting domestic manufacturing and cutting American economic dependency on China. “Chinese consumers have a wide range of [new energy vehicles] to choose from. Why can’t these products be enjoyed by US consumers as well?” Li said. While Nio has yet to export a single car to the US, it faces growing competition at home. The company delivered 23,520 vehicles in the second quarter in China. Its share in the domestic market for pure electric cars and plug-in hybrids shrank to 1.3 per cent from 2.3 per cent in the first quarter. Nio recorded a net loss of $699.5mn and a gross margin of 1.5 per cent in the first three months of the year, compared with a loss of $281.2mn and a margin of 14.6 per cent in the first quarter of 2022. Following analyst criticism of its cash burn rate as it tried to boost sales, the company secured a $740mn investment in June from Abu Dhabi-backed CYVN Holdings. Li’s call for improved US market access comes as China is expected to overtake Japan as the world’s biggest car exporter this year after taking the second spot from Germany last year. Given the barriers to selling cars to Americans, Nio and its fellow Chinese EV makers are focusing their efforts on Europe, where new emissions rules are incentivising a rapid switch to EVs from the internal combustion engine.
Nio last year began deploying battery swap stations across the region, where vehicles batteries can be removed and swapped out for fresh ones instead of recharged in a process that takes just minutes. It is targeting close to 1,000 such stations by 2025. Li is betting that technology and services will be a key point of difference from legacy carmakers, which are already struggling to keep up with Tesla. Among premium services popular with middle-class Chinese consumers are free designated drivers and shared office spaces, as well as free repairs. Li also hit back at perceptions that the company’s success in China — and the decline of some foreign rivals — has been driven by rising patriotism among younger Chinese consumers. “Chinese consumers are just like consumers everywhere around the world, they focus on quality,” he said, warning that foreign brands failing to keep pace with Chinese innovation would end up in a “dangerous situation”.
Subjective indeed. To me, the Lucid is nice for a wealthy grandpa. I'll take a Model S Plaid any day instead. The best looking EV overall (IMO) is the Taycan.
Yeah, well you said my new crossover was "effeminate", so... I'm still mad at you. 😋
Got rear ended in the Lighting on RT 35 in Mantoloking. New driver got caught up looking at the new mega beach houses. It was a <5 mph accident. He got the worst of it. My custom RU hitch cover was damaged but nothing else. but I still got a police report because of all the horror stories about EV repair cost. Will let everyone know after I take it in the shop.
The only fire that needed to be put out was the other driver’s dad. I was impressed with the response time. 2 cop cars in under 5 min.
Residents like to see tje extra police to keep the out of towners from getting out of control. Glad it was minor.
First Cybertruck produced in TX:
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Tesla has built ‘first Cybertruck’ at Giga Texas
Tesla announced that it has built the “first Cybertruck” at Gigafactory Texas. Is the electric pickup truck ahead of schedule?...
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