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OT: Electric vehicles

You EV purists will not agree but IMO, he is not 100% wrong about lurching too fast to EVs and states essentially forcing by legislation drivers to switch to EVs by mandating no new ICE vehicles after a certain date. Questions remain as to will there be enough recharging stations in 2030/35 or whatever date has been mandated. Before we conclude "yes," remember those living in apartments, condos, cities etc do not have the luxury of plugging in at home. I have yet to charge my F150 Lighting at a place other than home or work. But I have heard at least in South Monmouth, things are kind of crowded at the charging stations like the Factory Outlets in Neptune.
I’ll be interested to hear about your real-world experiences at charging stations.

Trump is so full of shit - he's totally ridiculous. His commentaries about EVs and especially wind power are beyond dumb. Can't believe anyone would take him seriously.

As for crowded charging stations, people will do what they do when places are crowded - they learn to fuel or shop at different times. But EV charging stations are being added everywhere. For example, Walmart:


Automakers are getting in on charging stations as well. They realize that charging questions are a reason why new car buyers may not select an EV.

 
You EV purists will not agree, but IMO, he is not 100% wrong about lurching too fast to EVs and states essentially forcing by legislation drivers to switch to EVs by mandating no new ICE vehicles after a certain date. Questions remain as to will there be enough recharging stations in 2030/35 or whatever date has been mandated. Before we conclude "yes," remember those living in apartments, condos, cities etc do not have the luxury of plugging in at home. I have yet to charge my F150 Lighting at a place other than home or work. But I have heard at least in South Monmouth, things are kind of crowded at the charging stations like the Factory Outlets in Neptune.
Factory outlet near me is the most crowded charging station I’ve ever been to. A byproduct of people killing two birds with one stone. Thankfully there are a few others that you can re-route to in that area when needed.
 
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There was a part that he spoke about doing both EVs and ICE for a while longer. Maybe I need to listen again. IMO, some on the other side of the aisle are going to far too fast without the charging infrastructure in place.
Charging infrastructure is expanding rapidly and will continue to do so. The "too fast" argument is a political tool. Don't get suckered.
 
There was a part that he spoke about doing both EVs and ICE for a while longer. Maybe I need to listen again. IMO, some on the other side of the aisle are going to far too fast without the charging infrastructure in place.

Checked it- filtering out the other BS, from 0:20-0:28 and at very end, don't disagree to allow everything (gas, electric), but what is not clear is is frame of reference or what state or time frame he is referring to. And I don't want to watch a whole interview with him. He is nauseating to listen to. And Tucker looks like a little lap dog. Someone should challenge him on some of his blather.

Regs and mandates were needed to kick the American industry in the ass. Just like in Europe, which is years ahead in EV options. Without them, virtually every legacy badge would be very content to roll out a token EV every eight years while in continuing pure ICE focus.

If we're going to switch, it's got to start moving along.

Dates can always be pushed back if we're not ready. More important is that players are hard at work getting there.
 
Is there anybody that thinks that, at some point between now and 50 years from now, the majority of ordinary cars and SUVs on the road will be EVs? Does anybody not think that renewable energy production will not continue to increase as a percentage of overall energy production?

Does anybody think anything other than some new energy source technology breakthrough will change any of this?

Okay, then I think we can safely ignore, in large part, what politicians or the media are saying about it. EVs and green energy are like cultural change towards equality and more permissive and tolerant attitudes about lifestyles. It's all happening and will continue to happen and all the noise people make about it is largely irrelevant.

Trump and Biden are both gonna say stuff that appeals to their voting base. Far more often than not, those things will make them seem idiotic to the other's base. It's the same with all politicians, except the very few moderates out there.

Nobody is changing anybody's mind. People arguing over what politicians say in internet forums is what is stupid. Because it's pure wasted energy - nobody gains anything. Nobody in this thread is changing how anybody else is gonna vote.

At least when politicians say stupid stuff, they're encouraging their base to come out and vote (sadly).
 
Regs and mandates were needed to kick the American industry in the ass. Just like in Europe, which is years ahead in EV options. Without them, virtually every legacy badge would be very content to roll out a token EV every eight years while in continuing pure ICE focus.

If we're going to switch, it's got to start moving along.

Dates can always be pushed back if we're not ready. More important is that players are hard at work getting there.
Exactly. It's not really worth arguing about because pragmatism will eventually rule this issue. People's cars and freedom of movement are just too important to them in this country.
 
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No, I gave an example in my immediate area. It's too fast to say no more ICE cars by 2030 (or is it 2035?) in NJ, IMO, unless the charging network is vastly accelerated and improved.

If the point is that EVs aren't for everyone, right now - I agree. I also agree the lack of charging infrastructure is also a short-term problem (up to three years from now) for some consumers and burdens electric utilities. However, However, problems pop up left and right for everyone and the utilities. We all adapt and overcome.
 
If the point is that EVs aren't for everyone, right now - I agree. I also agree the lack of charging infrastructure is also a short-term problem (up to three years from now) for some consumers and burdens electric utilities. However, However, problems pop up left and right for everyone and the utilities. We all adapt and overcome.
I'm not so sure with the utilities. See Hawaii pre-wildfires. Very reactive, poorly managed monopolies.
 
Regs and mandates were needed to kick the American industry in the ass. Just like in Europe, which is years ahead in EV options. Without them, virtually every legacy badge would be very content to roll out a token EV every eight years while in continuing pure ICE focus.

If we're going to switch, it's got to start moving along.

Dates can always be pushed back if we're not ready. More important is that players are hard at work getting there.
Agree. And to add, the IRA incentives are working. Currently, an atom of lithium or nickel literally circles the globe before it makes its way into a battery pack. China has a strangle hold on the refining of EV minerals. We're seeing plans for domestic manufacturing, mining, and refining jobs return to the US. This is something that should be celebrated, but with our toxic political environment, no side dare give the other credit for anything.

As for mandates, they're paper thin political posturing. Ignore.
 
If the point is that EVs aren't for everyone, right now - I agree. I also agree the lack of charging infrastructure is also a short-term problem (up to three years from now) for some consumers and burdens electric utilities. However, However, problems pop up left and right for everyone and the utilities. We all adapt and overcome.
That's the part I constantly scratch my head on. Where's that can-do American spirit? Guess it got buried in partisan, corrupt politics. Sad.
 
More than likely Ford will sell you the adapter. Also, something new is occurring, charging stations like EA will not let you plug in with an adapter that is not produced by the company that built your car.

Wow! That was an eye-opener. Glad you posted.

The moral of that video - don't buy third-party adapters. Only use the adapters sold/provided by the manufacturer of your vehicle. Yet another reason, IMO, why Telsa is THE standard.
 
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Is there anybody that thinks that, at some point between now and 50 years from now, the majority of ordinary cars and SUVs on the road will be EVs? Does anybody not think that renewable energy production will not continue to increase as a percentage of overall energy production?

Does anybody think anything other than some new energy source technology breakthrough will change any of this?

Okay, then I think we can safely ignore, in large part, what politicians or the media are saying about it. EVs and green energy are like cultural change towards equality and more permissive and tolerant attitudes about lifestyles. It's all happening and will continue to happen and all the noise people make about it is largely irrelevant.

Trump and Biden are both gonna say stuff that appeals to their voting base. Far more often than not, those things will make them seem idiotic to the other's base. It's the same with all politicians, except the very few moderates out there.

Nobody is changing anybody's mind. People arguing over what politicians say in internet forums is what is stupid. Because it's pure wasted energy - nobody gains anything. Nobody in this thread is changing how anybody else is gonna vote.

At least when politicians say stupid stuff, they're encouraging their base to come out and vote (sadly).
There are always people who fight change for one reason or another. Doubtless lots of people fought and knocked horseless carriages when they first came out. My father programmed mainframe computers when I was a kid and dismissed PCs when I first took programming in high school. People will adopt new technologies when it works for them. EVs have reached that point for many people, and profitability for companies, so there's no reason to believe the trend of increasing EVs on the road won't continue. Politicians and talking heads can be ignored. The numbers are clear. It's just so ironic that the main force globally behind this is Elon Musk, a guy who has moved far to the right politically yet is the driving force behind a cause dear to the left. It puts partisans into a strange bind.
 
There are always people who fight change for one reason or another. Doubtless lots of people fought and knocked horseless carriages when they first came out. My father programmed mainframe computers when I was a kid and dismissed PCs when I first took programming in high school. People will adopt new technologies when it works for them. EVs have reached that point for many people, and profitability for companies, so there's no reason to believe the trend of increasing EVs on the road won't continue. Politicians and talking heads can be ignored. The numbers are clear. It's just so ironic that the main force globally behind this is Elon Musk, a guy who has moved far to the right politically yet is the driving force behind a cause dear to the left. It puts partisans into a strange bind.
I suspect you were in HS in the mid-80's. So I would agree with your Dad. You have to realize that PC's were hardly 3 years old when Microsoft introduced the Windows Operating System in 83.
 
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Elon is great at marketing. Everything is game changing. I also find it ironic that people say that JD Power is bias from all the $TSLA people.
 
I suspect you were in HS in the mid-80's. So I would agree with your Dad. You have to realize that PC's were hardly 3 years old when Microsoft introduced the Windows Operating System in 83.
Even so, they were new. Of course they weren't going to compete with mainframes yet, but anyone with vision could see that would change. New inventions always improve over time.
 
There are always people who fight change for one reason or another. Doubtless lots of people fought and knocked horseless carriages when they first came out. My father programmed mainframe computers when I was a kid and dismissed PCs when I first took programming in high school. People will adopt new technologies when it works for them. EVs have reached that point for many people, and profitability for companies, so there's no reason to believe the trend of increasing EVs on the road won't continue. Politicians and talking heads can be ignored. The numbers are clear. It's just so ironic that the main force globally behind this is Elon Musk, a guy who has moved far to the right politically yet is the driving force behind a cause dear to the left. It puts partisans into a strange bind.
Musk hasn't moved far right. The loudest voices on the left have fallen off the scale. A traditional, old school liberal is now considered far right by these lunatics.
But I agree with you that neither side knows what to do with him. When that's the case, the answer is to destroy him.
 
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Even so, they were new. Of course they weren't going to compete with mainframes yet, but anyone with vision could see that would change. New inventions always improve over time.
Do you think that mainframes have been surpassed by personal computers.
They are used for different purposes. PC's cannot do the work of mainframes, even now.
 
Musk hasn't moved far right. The loudest voices on the left have fallen off the scale. A traditional, old school liberal is now considered far right by these lunatics.
But I agree with you that neither side knows what to do with him. When that's the case, the answer is to destroy him.
Musk has moved far right. He tweets far right wing conspiracy theory nonsense, rants about transgendered people and said he might vote for Trump even after all the illegal behavior. Meanwhile, he doesn't seem to be bothered by craziness on the right, of which there's a lot.
 
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Musk hasn't moved far right. The loudest voices on the left have fallen off the scale. A traditional, old school liberal is now considered far right by these lunatics.
But I agree with you that neither side knows what to do with him. When that's the case, the answer is to destroy him.
Glad you said it. The libs of today are mainly ivy elites who are in bed with big corporations, especially big food and big pharma who have a green light from the government to fatten and destroy the health of people only to be fixed by more harmful drugs, are war mongers in bed with the neocons they once loathed, and most puzzlingly, hate free speech. Lots of classical liberals hate today's left in control of their former party. Go against any one of their beliefs or even dare to ask a question, you get labeled as right wing or an asset of Putin. The right has its own problems, mainly the orange lunatic, but still seen as a better alternative to whatever is going on currently. I maintain hope that a moderate will emerge that represents the politically homeless like me. Musk got labeled right when he dared to pull Twitter out of bed with the Democrats and decided that Twitter has gone overboard with banning and censoring reasonable dissenting voices.
 
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