OT: Electric vehicles
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Chinese Tesla rival Nio stuns world with live-streamed test of new 1,000-kilometer-range EV battery
The CEO of the company drove between Shanghai and Xiamen on a single charge.
CT doesn’t have locking differential? No wonder it’s getting stuck in the snow.
@Knight Shift
Now that you got me interested in a bed extender. Surprise to see no options out there. You would think if it’s the same as ICE.
Now that you got me interested in a bed extender. Surprise to see no options out there. You would think if it’s the same as ICE.
Yes, went to a few aftermarket sites and they don’t show any compatible with the lightingWhen you say bed extender, do you mean? or something else?
That's weird. My Lightning is at the dealer today, I will ask if they recommend a bed extender. Yours is a 2022 Lariat, correct?
Yes, thanks. I found one from Ford and it’s ridiculously expensive. Plus, looks the same as the after market ones.
Wouldn't one for a regular F-150 work since the bed has the same dimensions?
Yeah was wondering if it was just marketing or maybe because they don't want people overloading the bed and surpassing the lower payload.
Looks like it drills into the sidewalls so don't think tie-down location would matter, even if it's different. Probably someone on Reddit or Lightning forum who's done it with an ICE extender.
Ford sells one but it’s more than double the price from aftermarket guys
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Checked the F150 Forums. Best part about those forums, is there is no fighting, snarkiness, politics, etc. Just a bunch of owners talking about their trucks.Ford sells one but it’s more than double the price from aftermarket guys
2024 Ford F-150 Lightning Bed Extender - Performance Parts & Accessories | Levittown Ford
Shop 2024 Ford F-150 Lightning Bed Extender for your vehicle. Get quality Bed Extender for your car from Levittown Ford Parts. Shop now!
Interesting here seems the extender is made by AMP and repackaged by Ford-pretty slick of Ford:
"Ford" Bed extender made by AMP
I bought the Ford accessories bed extender, so I could use FordPass points: Come to find out its just an Amp Research unit that Ford licensed ? Thought I would put the info out for anyone interested.
www.f150lightningforum.com
Looks like it is sold for $349 by Ford, now it looks like it is $389. You can get it from AMP directly for $329:
AMP Research 2022+ Ford F-150 Lightning Bedxtender - Black
Introducing the AMP Research Bedxtender for your 2004-2018 Ford F-150! This sleek and durable black bed extender is the perfect addition to your truck, providing extra space and security for all your cargo. Whether you're hauling lumber, camping gear, or just need a little extra room for your...
shop.zevsociety.com
That’s so interesting because if you read the description, it’s for 2004 - 2018 ICE F150. The Ford parts site doesn’t show it as an option anymore. Guess why sell the cheap one when you can sell one at double the price. ThanksChecked the F150 Forums. Best part about those forums, is there is no fighting, snarkiness, politics, etc. Just a bunch of owners talking about their trucks.
Interesting here seems the extender is made by AMP and repackaged by Ford-pretty slick of Ford:
"Ford" Bed extender made by AMP
I bought the Ford accessories bed extender, so I could use FordPass points: Come to find out its just an Amp Research unit that Ford licensed ? Thought I would put the info out for anyone interested.
Looks like it is sold for $349 by Ford, now it looks like it is $389. You can get it from AMP directly for $329:
AMP Research 2022+ Ford F-150 Lightning Bedxtender - Black
Introducing the AMP Research Bedxtender for your 2004-2018 Ford F-150! This sleek and durable black bed extender is the perfect addition to your truck, providing extra space and security for all your cargo. Whether you're hauling lumber, camping gear, or just need a little extra room for your...
The Lighting -compatible one is: (1) 3 g lighter, extending your battery range 0.000001%; (2) made from recycled battery materials, saving the planet; (3) doubles as a solar collector to recharge your batteries. 😂
It matters to the bottom line, no? Is it a coincidence the only 2 autos making $ on their EVs also happen to be the only 2 autos making their own cells?
Regarding Hertz:
They need to change their policy re charging. The last thing customers want to do when trying to catch a flight in a foreign city is worry about returning their rental fully charged.
Most newbies are likely hesitant to rent an EV if they've never driven one, especially in an unfamiliar area. I doubt Hertz is giving tutorials.
Looks like you can grab a used Model 3 from Hertz for less than $20k ($4k used EV tax credit included). Most of them have around 50k miles. I've never considered buying from a rental co. I'd definitely want to see the vehicle first.
They need to change their policy re charging. The last thing customers want to do when trying to catch a flight in a foreign city is worry about returning their rental fully charged.
Most newbies are likely hesitant to rent an EV if they've never driven one, especially in an unfamiliar area. I doubt Hertz is giving tutorials.
Looks like you can grab a used Model 3 from Hertz for less than $20k ($4k used EV tax credit included). Most of them have around 50k miles. I've never considered buying from a rental co. I'd definitely want to see the vehicle first.
C'mon, that's quite a line of BS, comparing the EV automaker in the business for 20 plus years versus new entrants. Ridiculous.
Just like when Hertz helped push price’s higher, this will kill resale on all 3s.
Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold: 'A bunch of dead robots out here'
Many Chicago-area Tesla owners were visibly frustrated on Monday after their electric vehicles failed to charge amid freezing temperatures.
Such a loser cheering for this. Get a life. Faux News. Plan ahead, and this is not a problem.
" EV owners are discovering for the first time, and it’s what gas car owners knew decades ago, that when it gets really cold, you don’t want to get too low on your power supply,” Carfax.com Editor in Chief Patrick Olsen said."
That range loss is why Olsen says having an in-home charger is so critical, and if you’re away from home, to know where express chargers are.
“Plan ahead,” he said. “Make sure you know where your level two and three chargers are so you can get there.”
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I would not want to take my EV to extreme cold temp locations and having to rely on a public charging station. This is why hybrids will be popular for a while.
It's all about planning. The haters (mostly right wing loons) don't understand that. My Lightning purchase ranks near the top of the best vehicles I have ever purchased. Charging at home is easy and free with solar power. Never have to stop at a gas station. Next to zero maintenance. Power, acceleration and an outstanding ride.
The dealer did not complete my software update yesterday--it had taken over 5 hours as of yesterday afternoon and it was a little more than half complete. Their internet connection must be slow AF.
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You’re a comedy of errors NightShit
A joke
I agree the positives outweigh the negatives. The positives are for 95% of the use and the negatives are for the other 5%. The public chargers and extreme cold issue has been well documented.
Absolutely. The next generation of battery technology may/will address the issues. Not unlike when ICE gasoline engines had chokes for cold starting, and engines evolved to fuel injection. What is interesting on the latter is fuel injected gasoline engines were introduced in the 1950s, and the large scale replacement of carburetor engines did not occur until the 1990s. Troglodytes forget these little details that technology takes time to evolve and improve.
OTOH, this administration (and NJ) with their climate alarmist mentality has pushed too hard and too fast on forcing adoption of EVs when there are many indications that the technology is not ready for large scale adoption, the charging network and cold weather issues being just two of them.
A rental car company would be the last place I would buy a vehicle. Would have concerns about a variety of issues, mostly people misusing and abusing vehicles. As an example, frequently see people taking rental cars off road in Arizona where only 4X4's should be permitted. Have watched people scrape bottom many times, likely damaging parts on the undercarriage of the vehicle.
Not necessarily. Sometimes vertical integration works, and sometimes it does not. Sometimes a manufacturer "staying in their lane" makes the most sense. Maybe I am off here, but don't recall any ICE OEM making their own transmissions.
Similarly, on a downstream component of ICE vehicles, catalytic converters, which I am fairly well-versed. The cores (honeycombs) are made by a select few companies (e.g., Corning, Inc.). The coated honeycombs coated with precious metals is done by a select few (Johnson Matthey, BASF, etc), and the "canning" or placing the honeycomb in a metal can that gets shipped to the OEMs is done by yet another company (don't know who the canners are). I quizzed technologists about why steps 1, 2 and/or 3 were not vertically integrated into one company, and each time, was told it was more efficient to divide the labor and let the companies do what they are good at to handle their part of the supply chain.
Your second second sentence is hilariously biased. We know you are Tesla's head cheerleader, but put aside your bias, because we have been here many times before. How long has Tesla been in the EV business? Now do Ford and other OEMs. It seems that GM may have been in for a while, but maybe only half-heartedly?
You did not name the second manufacturer, but there are supposedly 3 profitable EV manufacturers.
From a Google snippet from Barrons, which is paywalled:
"Dec 15, 2023 — So far, only three EV makers are consistently profitable: Tesla, BYD, and Li Auto."
Oh, well, let's see about BYD-duh, they were a battery maker first. That makes sense. Seems they are kicking Tesla's ass too:
- Elon Musk in a 2011 laughed at Chinese giant BYD’s products and dismissed the company as a threat.
- BYD dethroned Tesla in the fourth quarter as the top EV maker, selling more battery-powered vehicles than its U.S. rival.
- BYD grew from a maker of mobile phone batteries to one of the biggest electric car companies on the planet and is now expanding aggressively overseas.
Musk once laughed off BYD as a threat. Now the Chinese giant has taken Tesla's EV crown — here's how
BYD dethroned Tesla in the fourth quarter as the top EV maker, selling more battery-powered vehicles than its U.S. rival.
And are you telling us that Tesla owns their entire battery process from upstream (mining) to midstream (battery material refinement) to downstream (assembly of battery cells)? If not, please sit down before wagging your finger at other companies. Thank you.
The EV Battery Supply Chain Explained - RMI
The transportation sector is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases in the US economy, and about half its emissions come from light-duty vehicles alone.
rmi.org
Pulled into a big parking deck yesterday and figured I’d charge my hybrid just for the heck of it. And what I found was two (2) chargers = and both were taken! When I returned hours later same two cars sitting there. Aside from the fact that of the 500+ spaces in the deck there were only 2 for charging, what’s to stop people from leaving their cars in those spots all day?
this is the problem at my office. people don't come back to their cars after they have charged up and move them. they stay there all day, which means that, if you're not in by 8:15, you're not getting a plug.
Exactly…my office has 4 charging stations that should be turned on in the next month. But I suspect the same will happen. Nobody is going to move their car unless there is someone forcing them to or some incentive to move.
Eventually, I see state or local governments having to incentivize putting in way more public charges (presumably through tax credits or other tax policy). If government is serious about speeding up the mass adoption of EVs, and getting the recalcitrant to join in, installing public chargers everywhere is, IMO, the best way to do it.
If every street parking spot, every parking deck spot, every apartment complex parking spot, etc. has public charging capability, that would eliminate a lot of consumer fears (unfounded or not). Because anywhere people normally go, there will be an instantly available charger. Even on long trips people can pull off the highway in any town and find tons of chargers.
It makes range so much less of an issue for everyone at all times. The self-absorbed and self-defeating attitude by many early adopters ("there is no range issue - I just charge at home overnight") is very unhelpful to overcoming range/charging concerns and speeding adoption.
asking for every single spot to have charging available is probably too much. but there would need to be a certain critical mass of public charging availability with respect to street parking and non-residential parking spots. dedicated residential parking is probably going to need a much higher threshold than public non-res parking.
I think we should go big or go home with this. Going big, if phased in with enough time to not overrun supply of raw materials and allow for manufacturing time, means great economy of scale which should drive down the costs of doing it.
But as you say, at the very least, a critical mass is needed and we're obviously nowhere near that yet.
It's gonna be problematic if we're relying people to be polite about sharing limited resources. 'Cause sharing, when it involves any inconvenience at least, hasn't exactly been near the list of demonstrated human tendencies. Which was well illustrated by you and @RUAldo's posts. Some of us would set a timer and go back and move our car after we're charged up enough. Many, many people never will.
Fair take, but from the owner's forums for Lightning (biased, of course), that's what makes it an easy sell to a lot of people. It also cuts down on the inexplicable EV rage that EVs engender with the anti-EV whackjobs (like the ones that visit this thread). Overall, still thrilled wit the purchase.
@jtung230 - just called the dealer, my Lightning is still downloading the software update.
