And they are so broke they can’t afford premium so they are forced to jump in every CE thread possible. They can’t help themselves. One in this thread even posted he had to ask his wife if he could join lol. And he drives a Prius lol
OT: Electric vehicles
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The CE crew has zero interest in this thread topic. They’re out to burn down the thread, like the overgrown children they are. People responding to them (@Knight Shift, @BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap) in any way at all, but especially combatively, is exactly what they want.
Gotta entirely ignore them or they’ll just do what all spoiled children do, become worse.
Ha, ha, so great? Isn't that what lax ball boy said?
Could see some of those low iq folks trying this:
Better not smoke after refueling:
Never saw this happen at an EV charging station:
Video: Gas station pump bursts into flames after being struck by teen driver
A man was arrested after admitting to starting a fire at a New York gas station pump when “trying to do a burnout” on Dec. 4.
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There is an easy solution. You charge people money for sitting in the spot after charge.
Got my Lightning back. Everything awesome. Software update took a while, but worth it.
A great aspect of buying from Ford or other legacy auto company is having the availability of going to get your vehicle serviced nearby. Ford has mobile vans that will come to your come for service.
Had a conversation with one of my friends who has a Tesla X. Vehicle would not start in their garage, and they could not roll/move the vehicle. Closest Tesla dealer is 40 miles away in Princeton. They told him they did not have any available tow truck operators to pick up his vehicle for service. They told him he had to arrange his own towing. The entire process took over a week, and he has had it with Tesla and is selling. I'm sure the head Tesla cheerleader is going to come in here with his counter-narrative, but I would never buy a Tesla after listening to my friend's experience. Like all vehicles (ICE or EV), they break down sometimes and need service. The difference is with Ford, GM, Kia, Hyundai, etc is that a service center is nearby.
To be fair, just about any brand or any dealership can have issues and limitations with towing service.
I had a flat rear tire in my last 911. That was a car that’s already low, and a flat tire makes it even lower.
Called Porsche roadside assistance and told them to be sure to send a flatbed that can handle very low cars, and a driver experienced with them. Long story short, the tow company, one of several contracted with roadside assistance, wound up scratching the underside of the tailpipe exhaust tips while lowering the car at the dealer’s service center, and had to reimburse me $2000 for replacing them.
That wasn’t Porsche’s fault. Heck, was a Porsche tech that came out and provided extra boards to the tow truck driver to help get my car off the flatbed without even more serious damage.
Agree - but that doesn’t seem to be happening now. I guess it’s similar to dealing with street meters although feeding meters is different than having to move your car after charging. If an EV owner plugs in at Garden state plaza are they really going to leave the mall to move their car to another spot and go back in? Home charging seems great as long as someone is willing to pay a few bucks to have the outlet/circuit installed. But now that I have a hybrid I see that the EV charging network is so much worse than EV owners will admit. I’m not saying navigating the charging network is a deal-breaker. But this country probably has 99% more to go in order to establish a real EV charging network.
Still, the problem with an EV is that eventually the battery would have to be replaced at great expense
Any owner has that ticking time bomb....
Trying to sell a 5-6 year old EV, the prospective buyers know this, the older the car, the less attractive
The longer you own it, it would seem the worse your situation, versus a gas engine car....
Not sure what the percentage of done/still-to-do is. But we're a loooong way off from where we need to be, infrastructure-wise. Also a looong way off from where we need to be with proper self-driving infrastructure.
I suspect that we'll get there. But it's gonna take more time than current EV mandates allow. So they'll likely be pushed out as politicians realize the electoral implications of not doing so.
It's a carbon production catch 22. We need to manufacture and install a ton of infrastructure, the act of which will increase carbon emissions. All in an attempt to convince the electorate to adopt a technology that results in a net lowering of carbon emissions, at least once it reaches some critical mass.
Not really a good counter point based on the long history of gas stations reliability
It's not that much different from the used car market with gas cars and their aging engine and exhaust parts. And in time, the cost of batteries will go down relative to the rest of the vehicle, making the comparison more balanced price-wise.
It's change so it's gonna be disruptive as it occurs. But it's gonna happen unless some other technology comes along and replaces EV tech (e.g. superconductors).
Or unless a method (or methods) of neutralizing carbon emissions evolves that can effectively offset what is produced by combustion-based transportation perhaps in concert with reduced carbon production using synthetic fuels if a more efficient way to make them at scale can be found.
Wasn't trying to counter point. Rather, to point out the absurdity of the story, and provide equally poor, anecdotal evidence. 1 charging station in Chicago making national news, and the knuckle draggers flocking here to thump their chests. The Tesla network has a long history of reliability too. Global uptime rate over 99%. Clicks > truth.
I would guess the marketplace for used gas cars should be substantially better
We shall see as more and more EV cars reach 5 or 6 years old, and owners want to sell
I can tell you I would not buy a six year EV under any circumstances
Its not just the one charging station, it's the reports of vastly reduced driving range, and doubling of charging time in cold weather
Those things are problems not limited to a single charging station
Long as infrastructure improves a bunch, I'll probably buy an EV for my next SUV (maybe 4-6 years or so as I just bought an ICE SUV a few months ago). But I won't plan to keep that first EV more than about the same period as this ICE one, 4-6 years tops, depending on what type of warranties are available. The one after that might be more of a keeper, who knows. Lots happens in 8-12 years.
EVs are a new tech and, although it'll take time, eventually they will have had time to go through the many iterations of improvement that ICEVs did. So lots of the things we view as issues today will no longer be issues, same as with ICEVs.
What I won't do, like everything else in my life, is politicize or otherwise become ideological about any of it. 😃
All of this comes down to: (1) EV battery range and performance must vastly improve in order for EVs to overtake ICE; (2) a true EV charging network is virtually non-existent at the moment and probably 10-20 years away from any realistic competition to gas stations. Although if battery capacity can hit 1000 miles on a single/timely charge then expediting a full blown nationwide charging network becomes less important.
Which indicates we should stop forcing the conversion to EV and wait for the advancements in technology be made
No. The battery needing replacement is not a foregone conclusion. Take care of your battery with good charging habits and it should last hundreds of thousands of miles. Also, battery and powertrain are under warranty. Tesla is 120k miles/8 years. Not sure of others specifically, but pretty sure they're similar.
"The older the car, the less attractive" True of any vehicle. Poor point.
A ICE requires a laundry list of service and maintenance throughout its lifetime. Far, far less for an EV.
We shall see as thousands of EV vehicles get to be older out there
It seems a lot of promises about range and charging times are already inflated, we have to see about battery life claims
EVs are already on a path to overtake ICE.
EV adoption continues to increase, and will do so again in 2024. The forecasts made by oil companies are wrong.
I can drive anywhere in the country with my EV, so describing the charging network as "non-existent" is wrong. Charging infrastructure continues to expand.
EVs are never going to 1,000 mi capacity.
No, it is just the 1 charging station.
Guess what...The mpg in your ICE vehicle decreases with cold weather too.
A preheated battery will not charge any slower. That's on the owner, not the EV. If you're planning a stop at a supercharger, put it into the navigation, and the Tesla will precondition the battery for fast charging. The dipshits in Chicago would have known the supercharger site was down if they put it into their navigation. Was the site down because of the cold? That is unknown, but superchargers work just fine in other cold regions.
Appreciate your passion around EVs but you can’t get lost in your own experiences/habits when it comes to perhaps one of the single greatest transitions in automotive and transportation history. Can an EV owner navigate a charging network while taking a long trip = absolutely. But the network is so far from anything mainstream. I’m batting about .250 when it comes to finding open/available charging stations for my hybrid in parking decks. Blows my mind that out of hundreds may be thousands of parking spots the most I’ve seen are 4 charging spots in any location.
It definitely seems like two different conversations when talking about using the Tesla network and non Tesla network.
We just took our EV (Audi etron) on the first real road trip up to Whistler, BC (about 207 miles). Took a little planning for charge stopping but overall wasn’t a bad experience. The extreme cold definitely affected range though. When we left home it was about 20 F and when we arrived at Whistler it was about -3 F and getting colder. When we stopped in Surrey, BC we charged from about 40% to 80% in about 20 minutes and on the return stopped in the same place and went from 39% to 80% in about the same time. Efficiency was better on the return as weather was warmer (20s and then 30s) and more downhill. All that being said, when we drive to move our daughter out of her dorm in June down in CA will be taking the F-350 long bed diesel to fit her stuff and not have to plan give the 700 miles of range with the 48 gallon tank.
Nobody said the batteries are dead at 8 years. That's the warranty. They can last longer. Time will tell.
Now do transmissions, ICE maintenance and fuel costs. Replacement costs range from a low of $1,000 to $7,000. Drive 40,000 miles per year, and you will probably need a new transmission in years 6-8. Also, add up all the other things that need to be replaced on an ICE vehicle and routine maintenance that ICE vehicles need. Let's just say conservatively, one will spend $2,000/year on maintenance, oil changes, fluid changes, etc on an ICE Vehicle. That's $16,000 over 8 years, plus a transmission ($5,000), plus all the fuel ($4,000/year X8). That's $53,000. New battery packs for the F150 Lightning run about $32,000. That puts the EV in the bonus by $20,000.
Thank you for your pleasantly toned message. But it seems like a lot of tilting at windmills, without realizing the ICE vehicle fire in your own garage? I'm happy to go back and forth politely on this, but as an engineer (wife is one too), we did a lot of math and calculations, and it made too much financial sense to buy the EV pickup. As a matter of fact, we never purchased a full sized ICE pickup because of the lousy fuel mileage, realize fuel costs would have been ridiculous.
Sounds like owning a hybrid is a royal PIA. Why are you constantly looking for charging? Are you looking exclusively for free charging because you want to save the $0.50 cents vs charging at home? What kind did you get? Maybe pure BEV would have been a better choice.
Don't forget brake jobs. How many will an ICE vehicle have to have over its life?
I don't anticipate ever needing new brakes in my EV. I barely touch the brake with regen.
While destroying the environment. Those batteries are enviro nightmares.
Not to mention driving one immediately raises estrogen levels in men.
EV batteries get recycled. Maybe stop reading zerohedge and listening to Jesse Water and Laura Ingraham, and you can become educated to the ways of the modern world.
You would know about estrogen levels, probably took a lot of balls to your head, lax boy. 😜
To the contrary, driving an EV is awesome. Have blown Corvettes and other fancy sports cars off the line many times.
Mining cobalt is literally the hardest thing to get out of the earth. Go to Western Australia and talk to the miners. Like I have.
Speaking of balls stop watching Richard Maddow. He's ruining your emotionally driven mind more than the estrogen level increase.
Corvette a "fancy car" lol. Geezus.
Way oversimplified.
First of all, how much is it actually being forced? How many states in the US have mandates in place? Last time I looked, it was only 13 out of 50. Making concerns of being forced, at least at a national level, much ado about nothing. Might matter in some states, but people can move about the nation freely.
And the mandates exist as a means to incentivize US automakers to make and sell EVs. Take away those mandates, and US automakers would not have had nearly the interest in making the initial capital investment to start transitioning over. If they did, they would've done it back when Tesla did, or soon after.
OTOH, look at China, who can do whatever they want, free of the sort of unceasing and significant political opposition and elections we have here in the US. China doesn't have petrochemical lobbies pushing out counter-narratives to deal with at the voting booth. They also don't have to deal with crazed environmental lobbies pushing their narratives.
Which leaves China's government entirely free to act in their best interests. They control the news which means they control the narrative. And what are they doing? Racing ahead w/EVs.
Why? Because it makes perfect sense to do for them, both economically and geopolitically. If it also winds up helping the environment some, which is not their priority, then that just icing on their cake because it helps them even more, geopolitically. It's a win-win situation for them.
China knows that the US lacks the long-term political unity to force the issue enough to prevent China from taking advantage of the opportunity to leap ahead in both EV technology and manufacturing.
China is all over social media, using fake accounts, pushing the conflicting narratives to further divide the US electorate. Because the very last thing China wants to see is the US becoming politically unified about this (or about lots of other issues with geopolitical impact).
So yeah. We can deincentivize EV production in the US. That'd be brilliant. Let's just hand China the win.
EV = Estrogen Vehicles
Definitely cranking his Swifty music driving around.
Definitely cranking his Swifty music driving around.
NJ just past a mandate, so it affects Me
I was drawn to the idea of getting the second, less used car as an electric, for bouncing around locally
But hearing the naysayers about the mining of cobalt, how we might be too dependent on the Chinese for parts, its turned me off
Wow, a pivot to cobalt. Will mark down another victory for me, another loss for you.
Cobalt, huh? You going to throw out your phone, mobile computer, electric toothbrush and all the other items that use cobalt? As of 2022/23, EV batteries used 34% of the world's cobalt supply. Many EV makers have moved to recycled cobalt and Tesla has eliminated cobalt from many of its batteries. It's called evolution of technology, something you fail to realize. I'm fairly knowledgeable about all of this, and legacy technology such as catalytic converters in ICE vehicles, which involve precious metals mining--are you mad at that too, bro?
"cobalt was being used in various industries and products before the rise of EVs. It’s used in almost every lithium-ion battery, which means every mobile phone, laptop, tablet, bluetooth headphone, and electric toothbrush.
It’s not just batteries either. Cobalt is used for catalysts within the oil and gas industry, in car products such as airbags, paints, and various other chemical products. Cobalt is not just the “blood diamond of batteries”: it’s in the fossil fuel industry too."
I don't know who Richard Maddow is. Do you mean Rachel? Don't watch her, except when one of her ridiculously wrong takes is propagated on social media, such as her position on the VX and her refusal to broadcast the victory speech in Iowa, but I digress. You got me all wrong or confused with someone else. Again, probably got hit in the head too many times by balls. Hope you did not take any on the chin or in the mouth--that dental work uses precious metals too, and you should refuse fillings because the materials are mined. Wouldn't want you to walk around with a mouth full of guilt.
cobalt was being used in various industries and products before the rise of EVs. It’s used in almost every lithium-ion battery, which means every mobile phone, laptop, tablet, bluetooth headphone, and electric toothbrush.
I'll mark down two more wins for your losses above. Corvettes are one of the fastest (meant fast, not fancy) production cars. Try again!
Is cobalt the blood diamond of electric cars? What can be done about it?
If you’ve got electronics with a battery – a mobile phone, laptop, water, or electric car – then there is a reasonable chance that parts of it were mined through the gruelling work of miners in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). Cobalt has been in the spotlight in recent years – often...
www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com
Fastest production cars.
List of fastest production cars by acceleration - Wikipedia
Throw out cobalt lol. You mean the main driver of battery tech?
