I just got a hybrid a few weeks ago so I’m trying to get my arms around the charging landscape although, quite frankly, I don’t really care that much about it. It’s the X5 50e which by hybrid standards is probably a joke given its range. I also have yet to find free charging anywhere and, in fact, the few times I charged publicly it cost way more and took much longer than I thought it would. But I’m not suggesting that goes for all EVs or better (real) hybrid models. Mostly, if I’m pulling into a parking lot or deck I’ll see if there is a station available just for the heck of it but have not had much luck with availability.
OT: Electric vehicles
- Thread starter BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap
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Please stop with the cobalt nonsense. As said above, give up your cell phone, laptops, etc... if you're so worried.
A majority of all EV batteries contain exactly 0% cobalt.
LFP (lithium, iron, phosphate) is the dominant battery chemistry in most EVs. The % of EVs using LFP batteries continues to grow.
A majority of all EV batteries contain exactly 0% cobalt.
LFP (lithium, iron, phosphate) is the dominant battery chemistry in most EVs. The % of EVs using LFP batteries continues to grow.
Just because we are dependent on cobalt for other uses, doesn't mean we should be ok putting a major industry dependent on it, totally
Just an opinion , would like to see us stay more independent of China
What does cobalt have to do with China?
I just explained how most EVs don't use cobalt.
For the EVs that do use cobalt, it is in a lower % vs other cathode metals in the cells. No EVs use 100% cobalt. A typical long range EV might use NCM-811 cells. That's 80% nickel, 10% cobalt, 10% manganese.
You seem to be grossly misinformed on a range of EV topics. Glad you stopped by.
A mobile phone uses a miniscule amount comparatively. There is no substitute for a mobile phone or a computer. There is a much better option available than an EV.
It's moronic to even make a comparison.
China is investing heavily in mines in Africa for one reason- to control the EV market which they are well on their way to doing. Another reason this boondoggle is a bad idea.
I'd say the people making trillion dollar investments from China know a little more than some rando on the message board who calls himself "BellyFullofWhiteDogCrap".
No offense.
I'd say the people making trillion dollar investments from China know a little more than some rando on the message board who calls himself "BellyFullofWhiteDogCrap".
No offense.
BellyFullofWhiteDogCrap vs. Cali and his buddies getting their dumb asses handed to them:
Could you guys be any more hapless and misinformed?
No one is buying your shit.
When in doubt, use the Chinese boogieman to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
CATL (China), the world's largest battery cell manufacturer, mainly uses LFP chemistry. Zero cobalt. Iron is the primary cathode ingredient. China doesn't need to buy African mines for iron; it's everywhere.
China refines a majority of the world's lithium, but I'm sure you knew that.
Cali knows all about lithium, probably has a prescription to treat his mood disorders from getting triggered by EVs.
Your vehicle has a 25.7 kWh pack and only gets 40 miles electric. 5,500 lbs curb weight
Model Y has a 78 kWh pack and gets 310 miles electric. 4,200 lbs curb weight.
I've shit on hybrids enough in this thread, so i won't say anything more.
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I have read differently than what you say here
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Chinese boogeyman man. As if everything I said isn’t true.
Go tuck your head back under the pillow.
High levels of Estrogen response. Very emotional.
I'm sorry for your high levels of Estrogen. Ask one of your pharma bro buddies like T2K for a free sample pack. The first step in fixing a problem or disorder is admitting you have one. Congratulations.
The hybrid version didn’t cost me much more so I figured why not. I do a lot of local driving so the 40 miles works. But I also travel a lot for my kids’ sports and that’s where I got hung up on EV charging. For example, When I’m in MD for a 2 day packed tournament schedule I don’t need any charging issues or distractions getting to games, hotels and meeting up with people.
Hahaha so emotional he can’t do anything but regurgitate what I’ve already said.
Dude is spinning. The roar of that EV should help lol
Don't let the Tesla fanboy shit on your hybrid decision, makes most logical sense for so many people ...including those BEV diehards with a second (gas) vehicle in their driveways they use for long trips. They're closet hybrid drivers.
It's a good choice. Not familiar with your model, but you MAY (check your manual or ask the dealer) plug your hybrid in at home if you have an outside outlet or an outlet in your garage. While the hybrid battery will charge quicker on 220, 110 is fine. My wife has a Volvo recharge with about 51 miles of hybrid range. BellyFull and I diverge on hybrids--I think they are an outstanding bridge to the future. For daily driving around town, you can run on all battery (or mostly battery). I think (but not sure) that you may not be able to fast charge your hybrid battery.
Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.
There are mountains of disinformation being spread about EVs. Many powerful entities want them to go away. Why did 1 charging station being down in Chicago become a national story? Was there any evidence it was weather related? Not yet. How awful are EVs in winter if 82% of all vehicles sold in Norway in 2023 were EVs? Average January temps are 19-28 degrees F.
I wouldn't use the term logical. Hybrids give their owners none of the electric range of a BEV, and all of the costs, complexity, and maintenance of an ICE.
Sorry Knight, BellyFull moves the goalposts a lot in his/her rants. Why don't you pro-EV guys just present any counter arguments here matter-of-factly? Personally I'm not a fan of EVs at this point--agree with the charging hassles--but also not a hater of them. I do hate government mandates forcing EV's on us, but support an open-markets full disclosure approach to deciding which car I would want to drive. Just my 2¢.BellyFullofWhiteDogCrap vs. Cali and his buddies getting their dumb asses handed to them:
Could you guys be any more hapless and misinformed?
They do allow them to drive when public chargers are not working in the cold. My preference for hybrid is one EV and one ICE.
In 2016 Norwegians drove an average of 7,5000 miles a year.
During that same time the average American drove 14,000 miles per year.
Apples and oranges.
During that same time the average American drove 14,000 miles per year.
Apples and oranges.
Hey Buddy, I have no problem going back and forth in a factual discussion of the plusses and minuses of EVs. If you want to read through this thread, you will see that. Are EVs perfect? Of course not. It's a nascent technology that is rapidly evolving. There will be problems and growing pains. The same way there were growing pains when catalytic converters were required on gasoline and diesel powered vehicles. It took many years to perfect the technology.
Cali has been behaving like an uniformed dumbass, doing nothing but lobbing insults and presenting wildly incorrect information without any backup, which is par for the course for him. I have no patience or kindness for masterbaiters like him. He and his jolly gang of misfits pull the same crap in the weather threads.
It's laughable that you ask us to present replies matter of factly. See the cost savings I posed above regarding savings on fuel/gas, maintenance, etc over the life of the vehicle. Someone said the batteries will "die" in 8 years. There are no facts to back that up.
I'm also not in favor of government mandates. I think that they have turned a large group of people against the whole notion of EVs. At heart, I'm a libertarian, favoring minimal to no government intrusion into peoples' lives. However, we took full advantage of the incentives and $$$ offered by the federal and state government to make buying an EV pickup truck very affordable. We did the math and it made too much sense for has.
Good evening to you.
^^^^^^ All after not being able to answer simple questions. He also doesn't like the fact that I present evidence contrary to his soft little beliefs that are easily proven wrong. The fact he thinks a Corvette is some sort of "fancy car", well...I'll let that stand on it's own. EV boi is triggered bad!
He ball boy, I addressed that already- typing fast, and autocorrect put in "fancy" instead of fast. Provided a link of fast cars. There are many such links . Like it or not, a Corvette is listed among fast cars that can go 0-60 in 2.6 seconds. Maybe you parked one or two of them at your job as a garage attendant.^^^^^^ All after not being able to answer simple questions. He also doesn't like the fact that I present evidence contrary to his soft little beliefs that are easily proven wrong. The fact he thinks a Corvette is some sort of "fancy car", well...I'll let that stand on it's own. EV boi is triggered bad!
All questions were answered. Can't help it if your pea brain can't process the answers. Not at all triggered. Living the dream, saving major $$$, charging at home using solar panel. Haven't stopped at a gas station since last November in my vehicle, saving a lot of time, freeing me up to make even more money than I do. Some of choose to not subscribe to the paid board because it provides no added value to us, and we certainly don't want to engage midwits like you on the CE Board. Enjoy your miserable life. Acting like some sort of ringleader of mean girls is about all you got going for yourself. Rarely see you contributing anything positive on the boards except insulting people and starting fights.
Maybe we'll run into each other at the USC game, then I can laugh at your sorry ass in person.
I'll take another look at your cost/savings post, but you were asked how much your EV cost--I don't recall your answer. Not sure what you find so laughable.
Let me know what uber you are driving maybe I'll hire you. Dude is so triggered and made the fool of as usual. Actually he does it to himself. Funny has hell though.
He won't answer that nor where he lives. Let's get into what he thinks he's saving. I guarantee I'll destroy his so called big savings. Which is very telling that he thinks a few grand is big savings. But that's for another thread.
I have answered that numerous times. No problem answering people who can carry on a civil discourse. IIRC, it was $79K before the $7,500 tax credit, bringing my out of pocket to $71,500. I spec'd a comparably equipped F150 Lariat to be $2500 less than my out of pocket. That was more than made up in year one with zero fuel cost.
What make and model car do you have. How much are you paying for insurance?
Kelley Blue Book calculates the five-year cost to own a vehicle, which includes all vehicle-related costs a consumer will likely have within the first five years of ownership. The data pulled from the first week of February in 2023 shows that EVs cost consumers an average of $65,202 during this time period, while ICE vehicles cost $56,962. EV car insurance > ICE on average.
www.nada.org
Beyond the Sticker Price: The Cost of Ownership of EVs v. ICE Vehicles
Price is always a significant factor in choosing a new vehicle, as is the total cost of ownership. Combining purchase price with a cost of ownership estimate has always been a helpful way to evaluate whether a certain vehicle is right for an individual, especially when thinking about cost in...
He’s getting testy and won’t answer specific questions because he knows, and everyone knows, I’ll make a food of him for thinking he’s saving money.
I like the purple hair sounding tree hugger talk about estrogen. Awww soy boy doesn’t like mining 😂😂😂
Real men like fossil fuel.
I thought this was well known as is the cost to produce evs is higher due to materials etc.Kelley Blue Book calculates the five-year cost to own a vehicle, which includes all vehicle-related costs a consumer will likely have within the first five years of ownership. The data pulled from the first week of February in 2023 shows that EVs cost consumers an average of $65,202 during this time period, while ICE vehicles cost $56,962. EV car insurance > ICE on average.
Beyond the Sticker Price: The Cost of Ownership of EVs v. ICE Vehicles
Price is always a significant factor in choosing a new vehicle, as is the total cost of ownership. Combining purchase price with a cost of ownership estimate has always been a helpful way to evaluate whether a certain vehicle is right for an individual, especially when thinking about cost in...
