OT: Electric vehicles
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Everybody's collecting it, not just China. While we won't go to war with GM or Tesla, the fact that the data is collected and stored somewhere means it can be hacked into by China or other people across the globe.
They probably aren't, entirely.
But also, they know the US is politically constrained by its system of government in that the political parties do their best to play "watchdog" on the other parties, and continually attack each other for electoral purposes. Our government's ability to act is therefore constrained in ways China's is not.
There is a reason why China (among others) are working so hard to feed divisive political narratives to the American people. The more polarized the US electorate is, the less powerful we become because our government cannot easily make hard choices without great political risk.
Chinese leadership has no such constraint. Which is not to say it's better; it's absolutely not (IMO). But among the many disadvantages of it's form of government, it does enjoy a few advantages and this is one of them.
So... some of the things we could technically do w/information or control of US made cars we cannot do for political reasons. Whereas China is really only constrained by fears of war or economic sanctions or civil unrest.
But...but... no one but Elon can build an EV battery factory! And legacy auto is dead!
"Global EV sales could hit 17 million in 2024, meaning more than one in five cars sold worldwide will be electric.
Surging demand for clean, cheap EVs across the rest of this decade will completely change the global auto industry. By 2035, IEA projects 50% of all cars sold globally will be EVs, cutting oil demand between 6-10 million barrels per day, equivalent to the current amount used for road transportation in the U.S."
www.forbes.com
Surging demand for clean, cheap EVs across the rest of this decade will completely change the global auto industry. By 2035, IEA projects 50% of all cars sold globally will be EVs, cutting oil demand between 6-10 million barrels per day, equivalent to the current amount used for road transportation in the U.S."
The Vibes Lie: Electric Vehicles Accelerate Toward 50% Of Global Sales
Don't believe the media hype: New data shows global EV sales are on track to hit 50% of total vehicle sales by 2035.
www.forbes.com
While Tesla sales may have slipped, other brands have increased sales, partially offsetting the decline. For instance, Ford’s EV year-to-date sales have nearly doubled, total sales across the country rose in Q1 2024, and nationwide EV sales have grown every quarter since 2021.
The Vibes Lie: Electric Vehicles Accelerate Toward 50% Of Global Sales
Don't believe the media hype: New data shows global EV sales are on track to hit 50% of total vehicle sales by 2035.
www.forbes.com
American attitudes perhaps not reflecting worldwide attitudes on this...
Only 1/5th of respondents saying they'll purchase an EV over a hybrid or ICE vehicle.
Only 1/5th of respondents saying they'll purchase an EV over a hybrid or ICE vehicle.
Good for Kia and the US.
electrek.co
Kia kicks off EV9 production in Georgia, making history as the first EV assembled in the state
After the first EV9 rolled off the production line in Georgia this week, Kia made history with the first EV...
electrek.co
The EV9 is a pretty good looking SUV, at least on the outside. The Hyundai Motor Group is continuing to put out attractive vehicles.Good for Kia and the US.
Kia kicks off EV9 production in Georgia, making history as the first EV assembled in the state
After the first EV9 rolled off the production line in Georgia this week, Kia made history with the first EV...
The defensesiveness of the Teslarati under that post was funny. Not sure how useful racing on sand is to average owner. That was posted on a Lightning forum, and the Lightning owners were enjoying it.
Why else would they line up like that? We all know it’s a great truck for the race track. Just don’t ask it to do truck stuff.
I can't imagine Hydrogen ever making sense with respect to safety. I worked with Hydrogen at a former job. It was a precursor gas to depositing SiC in CVD coating production process. Its use would either lead to horrendous deadly accidents or would be prohibitively expensive. The costs of implementing the necessary explosion prevention safeguards alone I imagine would make it impractical.Hydrogen fuel has been discussed in this thread at length. The prospects for widespread adoption here is, at best, dubious. The closest hydrogen fueling station from RU is .... wait for it ... Montreal. No joke:
Let's set aside the lack of fueling infrastructure for a moment, the amount of energy required to manufacture hydrogen into fuel is a huge issue. The most promising method may be using methane gas. However, the cost to produce is also wildly out of balance.
Three reasons why Hydrogen Fuel Cells wont be driving our future mobility - EVSE Australia
With significant headwinds from a scientific and global penetration level, the viability of Hydrogen cars must be called into question to help avoid billion-dollar whalesevse.com.au
Car and driver published a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle summary.
Since 2015, three hydrogen-powered cars have been offered for sale from three different car companies: the Honda Clarity Fuel Cell, the Hyundai Nexo SUV, and the Toyota Mirai. But Honda has now ended production of all models of the Clarity, and Hyundai has sold only about 1600 Nexo SUVs in six years.
Toyota, the company most devoted to hydrogen power as an alternative to battery-electric vehicles, has sold roughly 14,300 Mirai sedans across two generations in the U.S.—though in some periods it resorted to substantial discounting to move them. (Honda does not break out sales of its Clarity Fuel Cell model from the plug-in-hybrid and battery-electric Clarity versions.)
This year, one new hydrogen vehicle will hit the market: the Honda CR-V e:FCEV is an adaptation of the popular compact crossover, with not only a hydrogen fuel cell (jointly developed with GM) but a larger battery that can be plugged in. That provides 29 miles of range, adding to the 241 miles from the fuel cell. You might think of it as the world’s most complex plug-in hybrid. It will only be available in California, and only for lease. Volume is projected at 300 vehicles a year.
The Japanese vehicle makers bet big on hydrogen and so far have lost big. I expect their biofuels initiative to be a similar dry well.
Got a Rivian R1S this past month.
After driving it for 30 days, I'll tell you, I'll never buy a gas powered car again.
Best car ever
After driving it for 30 days, I'll tell you, I'll never buy a gas powered car again.
Best car ever
Very common response from people who actually make the switch. Congrats. What do you like best about it?
Precursor and SiC--- speaking my language!!! Do tons of CVD and ALD work on ceramic films.
I was joshing if that wasn’t clear.
Thought about going with “is the CT pulling an invisible anchor?”
Edit: or better yet invisible spaceship
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Like most headlines re Trump, it is false.It's not clear (and I'm skeptical) that the former president actually made the silly comment at all.
Donald Trump Vows To Stop All Electric Car Sales, But He Definitely Can't
"You won't be able to sell those cars," says the legally embroiled former presidentjalopnik.com
I can't agree with such a broad statement, although I suspect there are many headlines of questionable accuracy both in support of and in opposition to Trump (or any politician, really).
But it would be nearly impossible to gather the requisite facts to prove the point. There are countless media outlets across the internet these days - so many that nobody could possibly read them all. Not to mention you'd never get much consensus on the truth or falsehood of most political headlines anyway. Nobody would agree, so what would be the point?
The only headlines about him I've seen recently (just AP headlines in my twitter feed these days, 99% of which I ignore), are about him being convicted on all counts for the criminal case in which he was the defendant. Which is obviously true, at least for the time-being.
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Some may find this article interesting.
I tried to read it. But I found it structurally difficult to follow. And the writer's perspective on the world doesn't work for me; I vomited a few times into my mouth before finally giving up. 🤮
I tried to read it. But I found it structurally difficult to follow. And the writer's perspective on the world doesn't work for me; I vomited a few times into my mouth before finally giving up. 🤮
Pick-up punch-up: Tesla Cybertruck vs Rivian R1T vs Ram 1500 TRX comparison test
CAR magazine pits the new Tesla Cybertruck against its EV peer the Rivian R1T and petrol V8 Ram 1500 TRX. Comparison test, specs and a verdict you can trust
www.carmagazine.co.uk
That's what I'm talking about...
More Musk in the news.
www.forbes.com
Tesla Investor Accuses Elon Musk Of $7.5 Billion Of Insider Trades
Musk sold more than $20 billion in Tesla stock around the same time he purchased Twitter for $44 billion in late 2022.
www.forbes.com
I looked into it and that is true. Also the fact that I don’t want to deal with charging inconveniences on vacation where I may be in an unknown area. This coming from someone who owns an EV at home.
I’m renting one through Turo this weekend so it’s a little different than traditional renting. I have to return it charged, but don’t pay for it.
ETA- it should be the same as traditional cars where you have the option to drop it off without charging
Most our vacations include a 100 mile drive from the airport to our vacation home, and while there is a bank of Tesla chargers close by, I can't imagine the hassle of scouting out charging units around the airport. We have a set routine with the same gas station and exit on every trip. I supposed we could figure that out if we had an EV to charge, but the additional time to charge would be an issue. These are not issues for my daily driving life at home, because we charge at home and at work while we are not driving or waiting to drive.
Making customers charge an EV rental before returning seems like bad business ...unless they just don't want to rent them over an ICE.
Should be pretty easy for the rental co to just plug it in after return ...more so than a traveler having to do so at a public charger before a flight home. Clear deal breaker.
Should be pretty easy for the rental co to just plug it in after return ...more so than a traveler having to do so at a public charger before a flight home. Clear deal breaker.
Agreed, Hertz has the same option you’d have as returning a vehicle without filling up the gas. Guessing others do too.
“And remember: Skip the Recharge: Return your EV at any battery level and we'll recharge it for $35—Hertz Gold Plus Rewards® members pay just $25. Or return it at the same battery level as pick-up and pay $0. 80% Rule: EV batteries work best between 80-20%, so we strive to have all our EVs at 80% at pick-up.”
Good news......and bad news for Ford on the EV front.
Ford’s EV sales are still seeing momentum, however. Ford said EV sales totaled 8,966 vehicles in May, up 64.7% year over year. Ford’s EVs are still popular with consumers, with the Mustang Mach-E SUV up 45.9%; F-150 Lightning up 91%, and E-Transit commercial van up 77%.
Though sales of Ford EVs are higher, Ford has increasingly had to use incentives to move the vehicles. Though strong EV sales in May follow an 86% jump in EV sales in Q1, Ford’s EV unit lost $1.32 billion in Q1 and is expected to lose over $5 billion in 2024.
finance.yahoo.com
Their Hybrid sales are kicking it too.
Ford’s EV sales are still seeing momentum, however. Ford said EV sales totaled 8,966 vehicles in May, up 64.7% year over year. Ford’s EVs are still popular with consumers, with the Mustang Mach-E SUV up 45.9%; F-150 Lightning up 91%, and E-Transit commercial van up 77%.
Though sales of Ford EVs are higher, Ford has increasingly had to use incentives to move the vehicles. Though strong EV sales in May follow an 86% jump in EV sales in Q1, Ford’s EV unit lost $1.32 billion in Q1 and is expected to lose over $5 billion in 2024.
Ford's US sales soar 11.2% in May, powered by hybrids, trucks, and even EVs
Ford reported May US auto sales that jumped considerably, once again powered by hybrid vehicle and truck sales.
Their Hybrid sales are kicking it too.
This is from last week.
"For every sign of an EV slowdown, another suggests an adolescent industry on the verge of its next growth spurt. In fact, for most automakers, even the first quarter was a blockbuster. Six of the 10 biggest EV makers in the US saw sales grow at a scorching pace compared to a year ago — up anywhere from 56% at Hyundai-Kia to 86% at Ford. A sampling of April sales similarly came in hot."
"For every sign of an EV slowdown, another suggests an adolescent industry on the verge of its next growth spurt. In fact, for most automakers, even the first quarter was a blockbuster. Six of the 10 biggest EV makers in the US saw sales grow at a scorching pace compared to a year ago — up anywhere from 56% at Hyundai-Kia to 86% at Ford. A sampling of April sales similarly came in hot."
Expect to see more pushback from these unrealistic and authoritarian EV mandates:
www.yahoo.com
'It's what free enterprise is all about': Governor reverses mandate on electric-car sales
Against the backdrop of a central Virginia car dealership, Gov. Glenn Youngkin announces state's reversal of California-driven electric-car sales rules
GM had it's best EV sales month ever in May.
I do imagine GM has an backlog of orders they need to fill (I know a guy who has been waiting for an EV Silverado for a year) so interested to see how sales holdup once they work through that backlog.
EV sales in Germany tank as incentives have rolled off.
The sector is down 30% yoy. Tesla is down 60% yoy in the country.
BYD is in the country, but only a couple hundred cars sold in the month.
www.carscoops.com
The sector is down 30% yoy. Tesla is down 60% yoy in the country.
BYD is in the country, but only a couple hundred cars sold in the month.
German EV Sales Crater 31% In May, Tesla Says Hold My Beer | Carscoops
The latest data indicates a drop of 30 percent for new EV registrations in Germany, with the end of incentives likely a key factor
www.carscoops.com
I am not a fan of EV mandates and have been consistent in saying throughout this thread that I was pretty sure they'd get modified and/or dropped in most states due to political pressures.Expect to see more pushback from these unrealistic and authoritarian EV mandates:
'It's what free enterprise is all about': Governor reverses mandate on electric-car sales
Against the backdrop of a central Virginia car dealership, Gov. Glenn Youngkin announces state's reversal of California-driven electric-car sales rules
But the governor talking about "free enterprise" as if it's some absolutist concept of goodness is fodder for morons. If free enterprise was so great, why has our government given so much money for so many years to petrochemical companies for oil exploration? Why did we bail out banks?
Free enterprise is a truly wonderful thing but, like all human endeavors, it's not a perfect concept. It's as much government's job to ensure free enterprise doesn't run amok as it is to ensure critical industries are stable and even, to some degree, protected.
If free enterprise were left entirely to its own devices, then we'd have massively polluted rivers and lakes/ponds/streams, a massively carcinogenic atmosphere, the loss of many thousands more species, etc. We have one planet with limited resources and no real hope of living anyplace else (at least not any time soon). So efforts to rein in free enterprise and protect our world is a national security, a global security issue.
EVs may or may not make that much difference (the jury is still out). So I'm not gonna say EVs or mandates are absolutely a good thing. But the mandates are about incentivizing automobile manufacturers which was the only way this whole EV experiment could get started. And trying to find ways to significantly cut down on carbon emissions is unarguably a wise thing. It just needs to be properly balanced w/competing interests.
I don't know why that is, but I continue to suspect that charging infrastructure development must proceed EV sales to maintain steady EV adoption.EV sales in Germany tank as incentives have rolled off.
The sector is down 30% yoy. Tesla is down 60% yoy in the country.
BYD is in the country, but only a couple hundred cars sold in the month.
German EV Sales Crater 31% In May, Tesla Says Hold My Beer | Carscoops
The latest data indicates a drop of 30 percent for new EV registrations in Germany, with the end of incentives likely a key factor
I dunno, to me that seems like common-sense. But I get that it's more risky to provide infrastructure ahead of selling the EVs that use that infrastructure. Bit of a catch-22.
