My math is saved 23k for a generator and 7.5k tax credit, the truck is practically free. LOL
OT: Electric vehicles
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Why is this feature important? Do you experience a lot of power outages? Seems kind of useless if you have a back up generator (we do). I have an F150 Lighting on order, but may pass on it.
I hear you….if I recall the truck is about a 7.6 kW generator which would likely provide pretty good backup with the exception of A/C or an electric dryer (those are items we haven’t backed up). We decided to do the PV and battery to take advantage of the 26% federal tax credit before it drops to 23%.
My wife wants a generator. The only reason I don’t have one is because my town won’t let me (pseg) dig up the road for a new gas line (newly paved and have to wait 3 more years). Problem solved and I get a new truck. I am torn because I really wanted the Bronco.
I priced out a solar roof with battery wall with Tesla. No tax credit was going to justified 65k. Told my wife we can stay at the four seasons in NYC when the power is out and still be way ahead.
That is an outstanding reason.
For us, we liked the wow/cool factor of the F150 Lightning. We have a generator. But in the configuration we would like to get, the price likely will be north of $80K. We were not 100% sold on needing a truck that big and the space it would take up in our garage either. The practicality of charging if we wanted to go beyond the 300 mile (likely less) range is another factor. We may still buy it when our reservation comes up, but leaning against it now.
Looks like I’m moving up on the waitlist 😀. Now I’ll get it in April instead of May.
The Tesla solar roof is expensive and I heard that the tiles do have some issues at time re: the interconnection between them though it’s still pretty new technology. We went with typical roof mount panels though they are all back so can’t see the circuitry and they blend pretty well with the roof. We had a relatively new roof since our house was built in 2015. Even with the battery we were way less than $65k….with the tax credit for the solar and battery backup was around $37k with installation, permitting,etc.
A plug-in hybrid with a 10 kWh battery pack is eligible for a $9K rebate if it's made in the US by union labor. What an absolute ****ing joke. That 10 kWh battery costs about $1,500, so this is a subsidy for a vehicle that primarily burns fossil fuels.
I thought this administration was concerned about the environment and climate change. I guess the "EV Summit" that Biden held with Ford, GM, and Chrysler wasn't really about EVs. Wonder how much they paid.
Huge waste of resources that now guarantees we fall behind in new energy vehicle technology.
I know Tesla increases the price of solar roof based on roof complexity. Was your roof considered complex?
Study Calculates EVs Have Higher 'Real World Refueling Cost' Than Gas Vehicles
But read the fine print, as the study makes some assumptions and some scary claims about electric cars.
Sorry Tesla and Big 3
https://marker.medium.com/how-a-startup-beat-ford-gm-and-tesla-to-market-405e652ac21d
https://marker.medium.com/how-a-startup-beat-ford-gm-and-tesla-to-market-405e652ac21d
Great stuff from Rivian. Let's see if they can really start pumping out those trucks. Good news for Rivian is they are backed by Amazon (deep pockets). Rivian also has a deal with Amazon for electric delivery vehicles.
"Anderson Economic Group is proud to be part of the auto dealer family through our active membership in the National Association of Dealer Counsel (NADC), and through our very origins: Our company was founded by (and continues to be led by) a Detroit area auto dealer’s son."Study Calculates EVs Have Higher 'Real World Refueling Cost' Than Gas Vehicles
But read the fine print, as the study makes some assumptions and some scary claims about electric cars.www.caranddriver.com
NO. It's a subsidy for the UAW, it's voters and it's campaign contribution.
And it's not done with the fig leaf of "prevailing wage as opposed to union requirement I wonder if it is constitutional. Would a law requiring NON-union labor survive a challenge in the courts?
I wonder how many of those studies showing EVs are zero emissions assume the electricity they use was generated by a coal burning plant. Show me a truly unbiased study, cause I don't think it exists.
Either earlier this week, or last week, the day after an article referencing the Anderson Economic Group's study was posted in this thread, I started reading the study itself and it became pretty obvious only a few pages in that it was more propaganda than anything else. Didn't bother to finish reading it.
I suspect you're correct that there are no unbiased studies. It's become extremely difficult to find unbiased information about anything anymore. The entire world has discovered how effective propaganda masquerading as information is.
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China is going back to coal burning plants in the midst of an energy crisis. Part of the problem of placating the environmental progressives is that the world/countries can't just flip a switch and turn off long-standing sources of power.
Hungry for fuel, China looks to the U.S., Europe eyes relief plans
China's energy crisis deepened on Friday with coal prices hitting a record high as cold weather sweeps in and soaring gas prices prompting major energy companies to seek long-term deals with U.S. suppliers, sources told Reuters.
www.reuters.com
China coal prices hit record highs, early winter chill adds to energy woes
China's energy crisis deepened on Friday as cold weather swept into much of the country and power plants scrambled to stock up on coal, sending prices of the fuel to record highs.
www.reuters.com
China is going back to coal burning plants in the midst of an energy crisis. Part of the problem of placating the environmental progressives is that the world/countries can't just flip a switch and turn off long-standing sources of power.
Hungry for fuel, China looks to the U.S., Europe eyes relief plans
China's energy crisis deepened on Friday with coal prices hitting a record high as cold weather sweeps in and soaring gas prices prompting major energy companies to seek long-term deals with U.S. suppliers, sources told Reuters.
China coal prices hit record highs, early winter chill adds to energy woes
China's energy crisis deepened on Friday as cold weather swept into much of the country and power plants scrambled to stock up on coal, sending prices of the fuel to record highs.
While increasing substantially wind and solar Germany, even before the current crisis in Europe, had increased the use of coal. Why? They shut down their nukes, which leaves me to ask: "Which is more important, zero emissions or being stylishly PC and woke?"
And China is building MORE coal fired plants. But what do you think the chances are they will be criticized at the Climate Summit in Glasgow? That will likely be more accurately named if it were changed to the "Excoriate the US Summit"
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You are correctly pointing out where the environmental movement shot itself in the foot 40 years ago without knowing it. The anti nuke sentiment that picked up steam after Three Mile Island (and matured with Chernobyl and Fukushima) has now created massive resistance to development of ALL types of nuke tech, even the latest that are almost completely meltdown proof with the use of molten salts that don’t require water pumped by electricity-dependent pumps for rapid cooling. Some also can theoretically use dirty uranium sitting in KY in huge quantities and go without refueling for decades. As @mildone discussed earlier, nuclear is the only carbon free option as a base-load supplying, on demand power source renewables can never be but it is being lumped in as inherently evil by many even though its latest forms bare little semblance to the designs in operation today from the 1960s.
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Did not mean to hijack this thread, but IMO, this is not a hijack and inextricably intertwined with EVs and ample supply of power to the grids. Was having the very same discussion on nukes with someone earlier this week. Too much hyperactive hand waving and virtue signaling goes into making these decisions, and not enough long term study of the consequences and how it will impact the plan for a "greener" energy supply. That is not an anti-green or environmental statement. But the world has to stop lurching from one change to another without considering a long term plan.
Humanity is prone to throwing out babies with bathwater in understandable, but often self-destructive overreactions. That happened with nuclear energy, IMO. Understandable that people fear it. But it may be a matter of the lesser of two evils.
New EV Cannonball Record...
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A Rented Tesla Model S Just Shattered the EV Cannonball Record
Piloted by Ryan Levenson and Josh Allan, the Model S crossed the country in 42 hours and 17 minutes. That's two hours faster than the previous record, set in a Porsche Taycan.
New EV Cannonball Record...
A Rented Tesla Model S Just Shattered the EV Cannonball Record
Piloted by Ryan Levenson and Josh Allan, the Model S crossed the country in 42 hours and 17 minutes. That's two hours faster than the previous record, set in a Porsche Taycan.
What's the ICE Cannonball record?
I'm sure there's still a ways to go on this, but for anyone who already bought an EV this year, are you expecting the credit to be retroactive? Everything I've read says yes. I went through a similar thing with the First Time Home Buyers credit back in 2008 and it was, so I'm assuming this will be too.
www.cnet.com
EV tax credit increase to $12,500 makes the cut in Biden's Build Back Better framework
The White House says it has reached a deal with Democrats on the multitrillion-dollar plan, and EV tax credit boosts are part of it.
www.cnet.com
They would if you put wheels on it! Open the valve, light it up, and you have a super fast vehicle that is not only unique, but a heck of a lost faster than anybody else's vehicle.
Interesting income limit (which is kind of low) on used vehicles, but none on new vehicles?I'm sure there's still a ways to go on this, but for anyone who already bought an EV this year, are you expecting the credit to be retroactive? Everything I've read says yes. I went through a similar thing with the First Time Home Buyers credit back in 2008 and it was, so I'm assuming this will be too.
EV tax credit increase to $12,500 makes the cut in Biden's Build Back Better framework
The White House says it has reached a deal with Democrats on the multitrillion-dollar plan, and EV tax credit boosts are part of it.
"For individuals, the $2,500 starts to phase out on income of $75,000 per year; those filing jointly would see the $2,500 sunset when reporting $150,000-plus worth of income."
Only heard one report last night, but it said the credit is NOT retroactive. Goes into effect Jan 1st. Nothing finalized yet, but seems to be close. Still can't get over the union blowjob.I'm sure there's still a ways to go on this, but for anyone who already bought an EV this year, are you expecting the credit to be retroactive? Everything I've read says yes. I went through a similar thing with the First Time Home Buyers credit back in 2008 and it was, so I'm assuming this will be too.
EV tax credit increase to $12,500 makes the cut in Biden's Build Back Better framework
The White House says it has reached a deal with Democrats on the multitrillion-dollar plan, and EV tax credit boosts are part of it.
