Very good news. They are going to sell a TON of these.
OT: Electric vehicles
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No date announced yet, but it looks like an electric Bronco is coming.
Not with only 60 GWh of batteries/year by mid-decade. Ford needs to find another supplier besides SK or start making their own cells ASAP.
My mental math puts that at around 400k units/year by mid decade split between the Lightning, Mach E, and any future models.
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Still waiting. It’s for my kid. I’m on the waitlist for a ICE Bronco and Ford F-150 Lighting.
Ford is looking at producing at least 35,000 in 2022 and 150,000 Lightnings in 2023 . Who knows how many they will sell once they start advertising and people run into others who already have one. Total Lightnings, Mustangs, and ETransits goal is 600,000 in 2023.Twenty minutes ago, nobody was even interested in electric vehicles, let alone an electric truck.To have 200,000 reservations in the first year for a pick up truck is fantastic. Once Covid and the chip shortages end, these will be everywhere. Same goes, but times two or three, for the Maverick which starts at only $20,000. And yes, we need to have batteries and all parts made here so we can tell foreign countries to take a hike.Funny thing about the Maverick is not only are they selling zillions of these, but a substantial number of buyers have never had a truck before.
I have zero doubt about the demand for EVs.
But, you can't make them without batteries. It is simply not possible to make 600k units by 2023 with their current supplier contracts.
You have a link to the information about Ford’s current supplier contracts? Are those numbers detailed in their annual report?
If anyone is curious how to estimate production:
Batteries to vehicles:
1 GWh = 1,000,000 kWh
Divide by the average pack size/vehicle.
Obviously pack size/vehicle will vary by vehicle and trim. Google vehicle, trim, and battery pack size. A few for reference: Tesla model 3 is 50-82 kWh. Model S 100 kWh. Ford Lightning 98 - 131 kWh. Mach E 70-91 kWh. Silverado (long range) 200 kWh.
Batteries to vehicles:
1 GWh = 1,000,000 kWh
Divide by the average pack size/vehicle.
Obviously pack size/vehicle will vary by vehicle and trim. Google vehicle, trim, and battery pack size. A few for reference: Tesla model 3 is 50-82 kWh. Model S 100 kWh. Ford Lightning 98 - 131 kWh. Mach E 70-91 kWh. Silverado (long range) 200 kWh.
GM wins a big tax break by Orion Township to add on to assembly plant
GM asks for a big tax break from Orion Township and gets it, but the automaker is still finalizing its plans for an Orion Assembly plant expansion.
I don’t claim to know how fast the U.S. battery plants will be up and running. I am just astonished at the sales for an electric pick-up truck. The more I thought about it, though, the more it makes sense for much of the country. In most of the nation, 100 miles each way is considered around the corner. With the price of gas and very low MPG of the big pick ups, this adds up to A LOT of money. Ford and Chevy have now come out with electrics for only $40,000 which is basically the same price as the gas versions. I can not wait for my hybrid Maverick to be delivered sometime between May-September. Although my 2012 Chevy Colorado is still in very good shape, gas prices the last six or eight months have hurt. Hoping the used car prices are still high when I sell it in the Summer.
It's not just gas. Maintenance too. In 2+ years of EV ownership, my only maintenance has been 1 tire rotation.
We've become accustom to the inconveniences and costs of owing an ICE vehicle (stopping for gas, oil changes, belts, hoses, brakes, etc...) It doesn't have to be that way.
Thought the Maverick was too small for the kayak? Figured you'd be looking at the electric Sulverado with that flexible mid gate.
Belly, I hope that is still true ten years from now. Who knows what may happen as these vehicles go through real life roads, weather, use, etc. In ten years, I have spent less than $2,000 on repairs on my Chevy Colorado, including tires. It has been a great truck, but I have 126,000 mil es on it. This is the most I have ever had on any vehicle.
No way I could afford $40,000 on a vehicle. Nobody is cheaper than me, but even I know $20,000 is a GREAT price for anything, let alone for a hybrid. People are getting well over 500 miles on a tank of gas with this hybrid. With the tailgate down and a bunch of bungee cords, I have decided it will stay in the bed. And really, I don’t paddle near as much as I used to.
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A bit OT, but a cool idea for electric, autonomous freight:
https://www.fastcompany.com/9071378...0-million-to-build-a-tesla-for-freight-trains
https://www.fastcompany.com/9071378...0-million-to-build-a-tesla-for-freight-trains
Winnebago E-RV concept.
news.yahoo.com
Winnebago takes the wraps off new all-electric RV concept
The company, with factories in Iowa's Forest City, did not say when or if the Class B van would be offered for sale to the public.
Winnebago E-RV concept.
Winnebago takes the wraps off new all-electric RV concept
The company, with factories in Iowa's Forest City, did not say when or if the Class B van would be offered for sale to the public.
125 miles is silly for an RV. Needed step, though.
Exactly what I thought when I saw the article. I laughed out loud, actually.
I think much longer range battery tech is right around the corner. However, working out the tech and being able to produce enough batteries to meet demand are two very different things right now. Lot of people working on that, but it probably take at least a few years, if not more, before battery and EV production can meet growing demand.
New mail trucks are on the road—
www.yahoo.com
USPS Oshkosh Defense Mail-Delivery Truck Spotted on the Street
The elderly Grumman LLVs will be replaced by new trucks with airbags and A/C. The design is yet to be finalized, but some will be electric.
For reference:
Lithium ion batteries were being made in the lab in the 1970s. Volume production began in 1991 with Sony.
Yeah, although that's a different thing than current tech advances translating into robust production numbers, which will happen far faster obviously.
The pandemic has shifted the math on it all. And I think people are being optimistic to think some of the supply chain shortages will be corrected in 2022 or 2023. Because the demand for some of the stuff in short supply at the moment is ramping up rapidly at exactly the same time we're lagging further behind due to the pandemic - so the effect is multiplied.
But I like taking long views of most stuff and I'm sure we'll recover in time.
GM to deliver electric SUV Cadillac Lyriq to customers in 'few months'
Detroit-based GM, recently dethroned as the No.1 U.S. automaker, is competing with century-old rival Ford Motor Co over which company will sell more electric vehicles by 2025. "Our teams have worked tirelessly on the Lyriq, bringing the launch up nine months ahead of schedule," Reuss said.
Ohio leaders schedule Friday event in Newark for likely chip plant announcement
The state won't say what the event is about, but The Columbus Dispatch has reported Intel has picked Licking County for a $20 billion chip factory.
I love this concept, but there is one common phrase in the article that makes me a little nuts. We truly do not want autonomous anything vehicle-related. Automated, sure. But autonomous? Yikes.
Reading through the recent articles posted here reinforces how much we are living through a paradigm shift in transportation technology and fuels. Electrification and automation will see exponential growth for at least the next decade.
I'm looking forward to electric airplane and container ships. Container ships burn bunker fuel, which is about the most polluting fuel around.
I'm looking forward to electric airplane and container ships. Container ships burn bunker fuel, which is about the most polluting fuel around.
Further reference.
The first wireless telephone was in 1940.
The 1st smart phone was IBM in 1993, it had a calculator, and you could check your email.
Things have proceeded pretty rapidly in more recent years.
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So true.
The Rising Speed of Technological Adoption
See over 100 years of technological adoption on this interactive chart. It can explore everything from the washing machine to smartphones, with one click.
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As has been discussed in another thread - all those old, celebrated muscle cars were, by today's standards, quite slow.
Most, if not all, new EVs can beat any old muscle car in a drag race, in a road race, or any other race you can think of. I do like me some muscle cars, but nostalgia can't overcome reality. Hell, the trusty Honda Accord is measurably quicker than a typical muscle car.
In a drag race you're right. In a 500? I don't think so. Especially if they're relying on a Level 2 charger.
I'm happy to see you disapprove.
Confirmation we're moving in the right direction with EVs.
