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OT: Electric vehicles

And if you had a non-Tesla EV (other than the new Ioniq and a good rapid charger), each battery refill would take 45-60 minutes). I got spoiled by my diesel SUV I got rid of, having to fill up every 600 miles. It was fantastic that we had to stop only 3 times for fuel on our drive from NJ to AZ back in 2019. In a non-Tesla, EV we would need about 12 stops, adding about 10-12 hours to the trip. From Rutgers Chris' perspective (I think he owns a Tesla), it is a better- 8 stops, with 15 minutes of charging, which is much better--but that is optimum conditions. That may be more tolerable/doable, but the long range battery Tesla models are expensive and out of reach for many consumers.


I posted this a while back and your "45-60 minutes" to charge reminded me. If you find the right charger, there's no reason to charge that long.

A lot of the charging times are misleading. There is a charging curve for EVs. You're going to get the fastest charge when at a low state of charge. As the state of charge increases, the charging rate tapers.

So, if you're in a cannonball run, you want to charge at as low a SOC as possible and then unplug at around 80%. Going from 5% to 70-80% might take ~20 minutes depending on the vehicle and charging speed. If you insist on "topping off", going from 80% to 100% would also take ~20 minutes because of the charging taper. Long story short, if you're concerned about time, don't charge to 100%.

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Personally, I have no issues with stopping every 3 hours for a brief charge. I'm not in a race and I find it makes the drive easier. No road fatigue, especially using Autopilot for the highway miles. Tesla superchargers are right off the highway, and every one I've visited has had food, drink, and restrooms available.
 
But if you’re doing it once or twice a year, weighing that inconvenience against the convenience of no gas, oil changes, etc is probably a bigger consideration.
Each to their own. I still don’t get why people try to tell other people how they should feel about the inherent (charging time) and/or potential delays (when there’s a line for chargers) in mid-trip charging.

Oil changes, a couple times per year, and refueling have never been something that bothered me. I typically do basic maintenance myself, because I enjoy it. And when I don’t feel like it, I drop off a car and pick it up later. Never any problem or concern. Not for me.

I frequently travel beyond the real world range of EVs other than the Lucid Air Dream. And would hate stopping for even 15 minutes every 200-250 miles. I’m not interested in sedans at all, only in SUVs. An EV sports car holds almost no interest for me.

So I’m waiting. This whole discussion will become moot in 5 or 10 years, as EV SUV range improves across the board.

If I had a commute, I‘d probably grab an EV for that purpose to save on gas and/or for environmental reasons. But I can afford to have multiple cars for different purposes and many people cannot. Thus so many people cite range as a delaying factor in their adoption of EVs - a problem that will be resolved.
 
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I’m too old to drive 250 miles w/o having to stop to take a bathroom break.
I hear you and I’m getting there myself. But a pee stop is only 5 minutes. And there’s always the bottle method. 😀

Again, this will all be resolved in no time by a combination of lighter, longer range batteries, higher speed charging, and a much more ubiquitous charging network with more chargers at every highway rest area. Charging will get to be just like refueling or maybe better.

Just ain’t quite there yet.
 
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I hear you and I’m getting there myself. But a pee stop is only 5 minutes. And there’s always the bottle method. 😀

Again, this will all be resolved in no time by a combination of lighter, longer range batteries, higher speed charging, and a much more ubiquitous charging network with more chargers at every highway rest area. Charging will get to be just like refueling or maybe better.

Just ain’t quite there yet.
And of course, if you work at NASA and are on a cross-country trip intent on murder, no issues with poopy breaks either lol.
 
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Do not do it. EV's get less range at high speed and you will also be running the AC. I have the Y and love it but last summer we took it on a long trip in sunny mid 90 degree weather doing around 70 mph and the 324 range was working out closer to 200 under those conditions.
This is part of the real world experience that gets reported and gives people pause. It’ll get way better, and pretty quickly I think. I‘m content to wait.
 
I wonder if you will see fast food places like Chick-Fil-A, McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Sonic, Burger King, etc. put in charging stations?
That would be helpful. But not sure if the finances would make sense within the various different business models across those different chains.
 
Tesla to launch new "medium" range Model Y.

The article speculates this new version will use Tesla's own 4680 cells. I disagree. My guess is that this version is going to use LFP (lithium, iron, phosphate) cells. I also don't think these will be produced at the new Austin factory which begins deliveries this month.

 
Just goy my Tesla delivered today to my house...they dont normally do this anymore but my car had some delays the past 2wks so they decided to drop it off when it was ready and also got free all weather mats and a NEMA 14-50 adapter included too.
I already had the wall connector installed so should be good to go now with charging.

Only took it out for a ride for 10mins and waiting for my kids to get home from school to take them out as they will be excited.

Have to say its perfect timing based on gas prices. Now I have to sell my Infiniti QX50 I bought out of it's lease.

So excited and for those asking about traveling longer distances, which I cant see myself doing anytime soon ,I plugged in the Dayton Arena into navigation and Tesla mapped out everything for me including where I should stop and anticipated time at charging stations...awesome
 
According to the charge stats on my Tesla app, my gas savings is $112 in the last 31 days.
That could be Tesla’s slogan… Tesla - a great car for saving money.

It’s not exactly “the ultimate driving machine“ or “never follow” or “engineered to move the human spirit”. But if you drive a Tesla for 50 years, you can save up enough money in gas savings to buy your way into one of those less practical slogans. 😉
 
That could be Tesla’s slogan… Tesla - a great car for saving money.

It’s not exactly “the ultimate driving machine“ or “never follow” or “engineered to move the human spirit”. But if you drive a Tesla for 50 years, you can save up enough money in gas savings to buy your way into one of those less practical slogans. 😉
One of the advantages of Tesla's disdain for paid advertising is their not needing to pay absurd advertising fees to concoct campaigns with vapid and meaningless slogans such as “the ultimate driving machine“, “never follow”, et al.

I've always felt sorry for my fellow humans who are susceptible to such simple manipulation. We all need to stop being influenced by such banality. "Just Do It" please.
 
One of the advantages of Tesla's disdain for paid advertising is their not needing to pay absurd advertising fees to concoct campaigns with vapid and meaningless slogans such as “the ultimate driving machine“, “never follow”, et al.

I've always felt sorry for my fellow humans who are susceptible to such simple manipulation. We all need to stop being influenced by such banality. "Just Do It" please.
Do you follow Musk on twitter?
 
Just find it funny that so many Tesla owners hang on to every tweet by Musk think everyone else is easily manipulated. Do you own Dogecoin?
No. I don't follow Musk's Twitter nor do I speculate in Dogecoin or any other cryptocurrency. I did invest in Tesla three years ago (based on what I had discovered about Musk's entrepreneurial wizardry and contrarian spirit), the first individual stock I'd purchased in 25 years. I also purchased a Tesla Y two years ago, based on YouTube reviews and a test drive.

By easily manipulated I am referencing the well known fact that most humans easily fall prey to the blandishments of emotional advertising (i.e. being more alluring to the opposite sex, being seen as more masculine/feminine or more successful, etc.) The idea that your worth and status is somehow directly tied to your purchases.
 
No. I don't follow Musk's Twitter nor do I speculate in Dogecoin or any other cryptocurrency. I did invest in Tesla three years ago (based on what I had discovered about Musk's entrepreneurial wizardry and contrarian spirit), the first individual stock I'd purchased in 25 years. I also purchased a Tesla Y two years ago, based on YouTube reviews and a test drive.

By easily manipulated I am referencing the well known fact that most humans easily fall prey to the blandishments of emotional advertising (i.e. being more alluring to the opposite sex, being seen as more masculine/feminine or more successful, etc.) The idea that your status is somehow directly tied to your purchases.

And Tesla buyers definitely never equate status with purchasing 😂😂
 
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And Tesla buyers definitely never equate status with purchasing 😂😂
I believe I explicitly stated above that most all humans are influenced by these emotions, whether Tesla owners or those who use laughing/crying emojis to punctuate their feeble attempt at 'gotcha' humor.
 
I believe I explicitly stated above that most all humans are influenced by these emotions, whether Tesla owners or those who use laughing/crying emojis to punctuate their feeble attempt at 'gotcha' humor.
"Most all"? 🙂

😀😁🤣🤷‍♂️🙂 😉
 
Tesla is not really a luxury vehicle. It is just conveniently lumped in with luxury vehicles.


"We'll start by saying that many people, including those on the Tesla team, don't consider its cars luxury vehicles, but that's not the point here.

Tesla calls its cars "premium," since they're more expensive than most competing vehicles and arguably more "premium" than many mainstream, non-luxury cars. Nonetheless, Tesla's cars are lumped into the luxury category by automotive reviewing websites, as well as almost all automotive rankings and awards."

 
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No. I don't follow Musk's Twitter nor do I speculate in Dogecoin or any other cryptocurrency. I did invest in Tesla three years ago (based on what I had discovered about Musk's entrepreneurial wizardry and contrarian spirit), the first individual stock I'd purchased in 25 years. I also purchased a Tesla Y two years ago, based on YouTube reviews and a test drive.

By easily manipulated I am referencing the well known fact that most humans easily fall prey to the blandishments of emotional advertising (i.e. being more alluring to the opposite sex, being seen as more masculine/feminine or more successful, etc.) The idea that your worth and status is somehow directly tied to your purchases.
Hate to break it to you. YouTube is there to influence you. Also, Tesla is a status purchase. Again, find the irony funny.
 
Our leaders are proclaiming "just buy and electric car" to deal with high gas prices!!
Everybody wants to get in on the profiteering made possible by a global pandemic and a war in Ukraine. Why should Tesla be any different?

But for sure, when leadership says by an electric car to cope with gas prices, it's typical of the widespread tone-deafness that has permeated non-local (i.e. state and national) politics for ages. I'd really much rather politicians during inflationary or other tough economic phases just said "we're gonna need to do some belt-tightening for a while" which is the fact of the matter.

But none ever do going way back, except, kinda, HW Bush a little bit.
 
Tesla is not really a luxury vehicle. It is just conveniently lumped in with luxury vehicles.


"We'll start by saying that many people, including those on the Tesla team, don't consider its cars luxury vehicles, but that's not the point here.

Tesla calls its cars "premium," since they're more expensive than most competing vehicles and arguably more "premium" than many mainstream, non-luxury cars. Nonetheless, Tesla's cars are lumped into the luxury category by automotive reviewing websites, as well as almost all automotive rankings and awards."

So just expensive, not luxurious.
 
Everybody wants to get in on the profiteering made possible by a global pandemic and a war in Ukraine. Why should Tesla be any different?

But for sure, when leadership says by an electric car to cope with gas prices, it's typical of the widespread tone-deafness that has permeated non-local (i.e. state and national) politics for ages. I'd really much rather politicians during inflationary or other tough economic phases just said "we're gonna need to do some belt-tightening for a while" which is the fact of the matter.

But none ever do going way back, except, kinda, HW Bush a little bit.
We looked hard at buying an EV for our oldest kid, the one who will drive the car from NJ to Wisconsin this summer for an internship (and then back to NJ). We are buying the car as a gift, and we could not justify spending an additional $8-10K for a non-Tesla electric car with sub 300 mile range and an unproven/sketchy charging network. To move up to Tesla, the price point would have been $20-25K (including the tax incentive), and we did not even need to break out the calculator to determine if it was worth it.

But as a rough calculation, if a gas car getting 30 mpg is driven 12,000 miles per year, that is 400 gallons of gasoline per year. Assuming a high cost of $5/gallon (which is really high), the savings would be $2,000 per year on gasoline, and that would be a 5 year payback period for a cheap EV, and over 10 years for a Tesla. The other factor is a new graduate will not have a home charger (will likely live in an apartment), making the issue of keeping the vehicle charged and finding charging stations more of a headache than those who can install a charging station at their home.

In lieu of buying the EV, we'll put up a few more solar panels and plant a few trees in the back yard to reduce our carbon footprint.
 
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Tesla is not really a luxury vehicle. It is just conveniently lumped in with luxury vehicles.


"We'll start by saying that many people, including those on the Tesla team, don't consider its cars luxury vehicles, but that's not the point here.

Tesla calls its cars "premium," since they're more expensive than most competing vehicles and arguably more "premium" than many mainstream, non-luxury cars. Nonetheless, Tesla's cars are lumped into the luxury category by automotive reviewing websites, as well as almost all automotive rankings and awards."

This is true. A Mercedes GL450 is a good example of a "standard" luxury SUV (i.e. very luxurious but not a Rolls Royce or whatever). A Tesla Model Y is a perfectly fine car that, according to all objective reports, is not as luxurious feeling as a Kia Telluride's top trim (which is often compared to the Merc).

Read through the ownership experiences by folks in luxury automotive forums who own both high end luxury cars and Teslas and they'll quickly point out that their Teslas are not "luxury" cars.

That's not really a knock on Tesla so much as on automotive journalist's odd and misleading adoption of marketing hyperbole at times (they do it a lot with other manufacturers too, e.g. giving rave reviews of 991.2 Carrera manual shifters when in reality that particular shifter/cable design kind of sucks and tons of 911 owners wind up replacing them with aftermarket shifters and cables to get that "Porsche feel" back).

Wish the journalists would do less cheerleading and more factual reporting. It's a first world problem, though, so as complaints go, it's a minor one.
 
Yeah, very sloppy wording. I'll try to do better.
Consider using more emojis. A picture being worth a thousand words and no risk of sloppy wording. 😉

I'm gonna get a smile out of you yet, grumpy. You'll see. 😀
 
So just expensive, not luxurious.
But to be fair, while somewhat expensive, they're not really luxury car expensive either. They start out priced well below the luxury automotive segment and only the highest model Teslas (e.g. Model S Plaid) get into the luxury automotive range - and are priced more for performance than luxury, I guess.

IMO, Porsche is kind of like that. Generally priced very high like a luxury car. But for most models, while build quality is typically excellent, they aren't very luxurious out of the gate. The difference is that with Porsches, via the (in)famously long Porsche option list, one can make the car pretty luxurious. It'll cost as much as one or two Honda Accords to do it. But it can be done and lots of folks do it.
 
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