Okay you know exactly what you're getting at, semantics at this point, and the bottom line is that the vast majority - especially those who are RU alumni - want us to WIN at EVERY sport so of course, even if it's underlying, they "support" or "care" about the program. We ALL want that, for EVERY sport, you can't argue with that one buddy.
OT: Four year extension for Stringer in the works.
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Okay you know exactly what you're getting at, semantics at this point, and the bottom line is that the vast majority - especially those who are RU alumni - want us to WIN at EVERY sport so of course, even if it's underlying, they "support" or "care" about the program. We ALL want that, for EVERY sport, you can't argue with that one buddy.
Read debtbubble's post above you, then count how many similar posts are in this thread.
He just said no one cares about WBB and you think he has the best interest of the program in mind?
I give up, I forgot you must win every argument, you win.
Lol okay if that's how you want to play things.
BTW - way to ignore the women's soccer facts I posted above. Maybe Coach O'Neill should get CVS's contract since his program isn't hemorrhaging money AND he makes the NCAA's every year.
So on the cheap is a good way to improve on the way Stringer coaches.
There are reasons that selling RU WBB is hard and one of them is CVS has been the only thing that brings in the recruits that had kept the RU WBB from becoming like the other basketball program.
When someone whines about the money the HC is getting and the base salary is $700,000
that's not caring as much about winning as the cost of a 19-15 record and 106-61 the last 5 years.
I find it interesting that many who have been screaming for the WBB program to be recognized as an equal get indignant when it's put under the same scrutiny that the football and men's basketball programs are in dozens of threads daily.
Stringer is, by far, the most successful coach in any sport at Rutgers. Ever. She's in the friggin' Hall of Fame and while we never quite got over the hump and won a title, we came very close. She's also been an incredibly positive influence on hundreds of young women in her career, directly, and countless indirectly, and has lived through the kind of personal tragedies most of us can't even imagine, with the greatest of dignity. We'd kill to have her level of success in every other sport and yet all most people do is criticize her. I wish most of you would just STFU and say thank you to her for a job incredibly well done.
No one I can see is being indignant, but when compared the other programs mentioned are found to be sorely lacking the type of expectations most fans have for the RU WBB program.
The dissatisfaction with Flood does come close ( probably exceeded) to how some feel about the RU WBB HC who didn't have the resources given to Kyle..
Just my opinion, but feel you're wrong on the way you are comparing how the programs are treated.
WBB has the most expected from it and the other programs you mention are now back in the hope faze and little expectations.
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So on the cheap is a good way to improve on the way Stringer coaches.
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Hire someone for the least possible amount of money. No one cares about WBB .
Hire someone for 100,000 a year.
4 years. He's lost his mind.
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oldman87 said: ↑
Read debtbubble's post above you, then count how many similar posts are in this thread.
( your reply to oldman87 :” Lol that doesn't mean he/they don't want the program to win/continue winning. “
So on the cheap is a good way to improve on the way Stringer coaches.
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debtbubble's post :
Hire someone for the least possible amount of money. No one cares about WBB .
Hire someone for 100,000 a year.
4 years. He's lost his mind.
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oldman87 said: ↑
Read debtbubble's post above you, then count how many similar posts are in this thread.
( your reply to oldman87 :” Lol that doesn't mean he/they don't want the program to win/continue winning. “
Once again, inserting your opinion as fact. It is not a fact that EVERYONE is ANGRY. Just a few who think they are smarter than Hobbs and Barchi.
Lmao at the football fans going beserk over this....so many male panties getting wadded
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Congratulations! You found one sport that is close in wins and has more NCAA appearances, however, if you read my post you will see I specifically said POSTSEASON appearances. Under that criteria, you will find that WSoccer and WBBall are tied at 4.
Both hoops programs have been buried with not one cent spent on facilities for decades..so comical when football fans cry because money in because spent on another sport..scrutiny? Mens and womens hoops have been pissed and dumped on for years..so fairness is out the window here
You'd think with a HOF HC like CVS and the positive publicity she'll be bring to RU in her quest for 1000, people would give Hobbs the benefit of doubt, especially after praising him for his MBB and FB hire.
Waiting to see what exactly will be negotiated would seem more reasonable under the circumstances that jumping off a cliff crying I don't like it all the way down :p
Personally I think this will be a non issue from a $$$ perspective. Last contract her base salary was negotiated down $200K give or take. I imagine she will be taking another pay cut in this negotiation. If she's between $500K-$600K she comes back down an OK level.
People who want her out based on her last 5 years performance are making a very different yet legitimate argument as well.
For anyone else in her position performance wise, and salary wise, I believe she would be firmly "on the hot seat" for such a decline. In any case, this is probably why she will take that aforementioned pay cut.
I just wish she could recruit some jump shooters for a change. But in reality she won't recruit that many players like that and I'd guess a majority of jump shooters would rather play for a different coach/program.
People who want her out based on her last 5 years performance are making a very different yet legitimate argument as well.
For anyone else in her position performance wise, and salary wise, I believe she would be firmly "on the hot seat" for such a decline. In any case, this is probably why she will take that aforementioned pay cut.
I just wish she could recruit some jump shooters for a change. But in reality she won't recruit that many players like that and I'd guess a majority of jump shooters would rather play for a different coach/program.
Oh no, I saw what you did, I just chose to ignore it. Clever, I give you that, very clever!. Sorry, but you can't put NIT appearances in the same category as NCAA ones. it dilutes then NCAA appearances by both programs doing as such. Even the Director's Cup as, unfortunately we know too well following our NIT title win, doesn't count NIT appearances.
Listen, I'm not hear to argue about Stringer's past success, or what she means to the basketball world, but the bottom line is she and her team have not lived up to expectations recently and I think you know that. Add to it the fact that many programs we once stood head-and-shoulders, above, now do so to us, and you've got to understand some of the apathy right now. I appreciate everything she's done for women's hoops, here and nationally, trust me, but I'm not blind to certain things either.
Peace.
Agree with every word you say. She has been good for Rutgers and Rutgers has been very good to her. On her retirement she deserves the biggest Thank You party and career celebration ever seen on the banks. How about as soon as she wins 1,000- hopefully that doesn' t take all 4 years of the new contract.
That I agree with, it's silly, BUT didn't you call for no new deal a time or two this past season?
Wrestling team success blows away just about every other program at RU. Top 25 rankings, top 10 national attendance, postseason every year, and all Americans last two seasons.
I want the WBB team to win, but I cannot stand their fans. Every thread about the sport basically devolves into them shitting all over the other Rutgers sports. Worst Rutgers fans by far IMHO.
I'd be the first here to defend the wrestling program if there was a thread about taking money out of the program, investment breds success, we should all be shooting for more investment in every program not less, especially when we know none of this will matter in 5 years if not less. Look at the difference it has already made after we finally decided to invest in football and MBB.
Wrestling invested in itself. If not for the incredibly hard work of a lot of alumni and friends of the program - one of my best friends included - we would NOT be where we are today. The money THEY have put into it themselves and have helped to raise, along with the development and growth of the SKWC, is how the program grew.
You are comparing apples and oranges. Sometimes it's all about the money. I suspect that if RU's other coaches were in the top 5 percentile for salary (like Stringer is in women's hoops), you would see higher winning percentages all around. We'd have the equivalent of Urban Meyer coaching football, Izzo for hoops, etc. You get the picture.
There's need to make up stuff to support your opinion. I think you might be surprised by how many of the most die-hard RU wbb fans also have season tickets for football and/or mbb. Many are more likely than the football-first fans to support the Olympic sports, too. It's pretty sad if you're basing your opinion of an entire fan base on a handful who like to mix it up on this board.
Read the point you made that I highlighted above. One question for you; who created those expectations? Understand now why your point is silly?
I agree. I can't understand why some posters want to piss all over the one coach we've had who has been successful.
Love the wrestling program. How did it get to be so good and how long did it take? Answer is they went out and got the best coach available for Rutgers. How much did he cost? Not as much as Stringer but I will bet a lot more than other options. Salaries in WBB across the board are much more competitive than in wrestling. Rutgers paid a market price to get its wrestling coach, who came from high school, and they paid a market price for their women's basketball coach who had taken two different college teams to final fours. Get the difference?
Also, if you don't understand the difference in support for men's sports vs. women's sports you have not been reading these threads.
We have been through all this over and over. Rutgers has one of the highest paid WBB coaches in the B1G and is very close to the bottom in attendance.
The "investment"hasn't paid off. All the Stringer people are emotional. Riding the HOF stuff and # of wins etc.
That doesn't make her a bad person or a bad coach. It is what it is.
The "investment"hasn't paid off. All the Stringer people are emotional. Riding the HOF stuff and # of wins etc.
That doesn't make her a bad person or a bad coach. It is what it is.
Football is on its own playing field, it is what got RU into the Big 10, and it is in another universe when it comes to revenue. So no, I would continue to put into football no matter what,
The rest of the sports including Men's Bball I look at Revenues/ subsidies and what future $$ can be made if there are investments in the program. It appears the Men make a slight profit while the women's Bball loses the most of any sport at RU. In my opinion RU should not have to subsidize 2.2 million for any sport not named football. If lacrosse lost 2.2 million I would be reviewing that program as well. The bottom line Is that not enough people support the women's Bball team to keep pouring $$ into a coach. If the women received support so that the subsidy was in line with other sports, I would be fine with Stringers large salary.
Also, this may be politically incorrect, but I don't believe football should be counted in the mix when it comes to title IX. I think that scholarships should be equal for men and women among the other sports.
There is no debating that Stringer is an accomplished coach. That she has had a long successful career. The one thing that stands out to me in this point in her career is that none of her past players (daughters) are on her bench. Over her career she has surrounded herself with continuity and embraced former players to assist with the program. To teach the fundamentals not only of the game but the "process"by which the program is known. They have all seemed to run away in the past couple of years. The same time that the program has been in decline. Is this a telling sign?
There are countless reasons to extend Stringer.
I think one of the most obvious is that Hobbs doesn't feel he can get as good (or better) of a coach for the same salary. To replace Stringer with someone even comparable in ability would cost more, not less, than what she's making now.
Stringer knows retirement is in sight. She doesn't want to start over somewhere else, and is willing to take less money to try to make a final go of it with Rutgers in the last few years of her career. She's working at a discount already, and has been doing so with the same crappy facilities the MBB team has been dealing with (which she's been vocal about upgrading for years).
The WBB landscape has changed dramatically since Stringer came to Rutgers. Other programs have invested in their facilities, coaches, etc, and have passed us... while we've been basically standing still.
I think one of the most obvious is that Hobbs doesn't feel he can get as good (or better) of a coach for the same salary. To replace Stringer with someone even comparable in ability would cost more, not less, than what she's making now.
Stringer knows retirement is in sight. She doesn't want to start over somewhere else, and is willing to take less money to try to make a final go of it with Rutgers in the last few years of her career. She's working at a discount already, and has been doing so with the same crappy facilities the MBB team has been dealing with (which she's been vocal about upgrading for years).
The WBB landscape has changed dramatically since Stringer came to Rutgers. Other programs have invested in their facilities, coaches, etc, and have passed us... while we've been basically standing still.
Wb is a money loser, as it is ariund the country, thanks title 9. Stringer rep is way overblown. A Top shore AAU coach I talked to said nj kids dont want anything to do with her. Recruiting backs that up. If your sport cant bring in bucks you should not be paid like it does, period. Time to look for a new coach and watch the budget.
they most likely were forced out in a cost cutting measure by Julie the prior season
RU would be paying a new coach at least 400K and probably 500K...by the way Rutgers has only been in the Big 10 2 years
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