OT: Four year extension for Stringer in the works.

[MADHAT1]

Why not? John Chaney and Stringer are both successful using Iba's offense.

At least Stringer's teams set the standards for excellence year after year for a long time.
Let me know how many other RU HCs did what Vivian did when it came to positive national coverage.
Vivian has kept the RU WBB a winning program, just not up to the standards she set.

RU's facilities are something she has to overcome when recruiting , but she's still the best bet RU has to keep the RU WBB program respectable.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

For about a decade RUWBB was fun to watch...we even gave Uconn a run for their $$$...those days are long gone...we are an average program...with average results. The future coach better be part of this, because the trend for this program is decidedly down! I'll trust the AD...I was never expecting Uconn like numbers, but no program in the ncaa has underperformed (for the talent it has) more than Rutgers...truth hurts!

 

[RU-ROCS]

Can't question her credentials and she deserves a lot of respect for all she has accomplished. Can question her ability to adjust her style to the new generation and/or the talent she recruits. I more wonder if the game has passed her by. But I suppose she's earned the right to leave when she's ready to go.

I agree with everything except your final supposition. Hanging around is not a right. She's come to the point where she needs to retire.

 

[rudad02]

Say it ain't so!

 

[RUich]

Ultimately, one reason for signing anyone to a four year contract is that you are afraid that individual will be snapped up by somebody else. Does anyone think that she would find a top job with that kind of money based on the reality of what she has done in the last few years? Yes, she has a lot of honors and they are well deserved, but is her leadership leading this program to where it should be? Watching Syracuse blow past us this past season really hit me. The orange were truly terrible when RU was relevant. But they have certainly found the right leader with the necessary strategies to be a winner while we are just a mediocre program. I just hope that if they do this, the money is significantly adjusted downward to reflect the current product on the court.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Ultimately, one reason for signing anyone to a four year contract is that you are afraid that individual will be snapped up by somebody else. Does anyone think that she would find a top job with that kind of money based on the reality of what she has done in the last few years? Yes, she has a lot of honors and they are well deserved, but is her leadership leading this program to where it should be? Watching Syracuse blow past us this past season really hit me. The orange were truly terrible when RU was relevant. But they have certainly found the right leader with the necessary strategies to be a winner while we are just a mediocre program. I just hope that if they do this, the money is significantly adjusted downward to reflect the current product on the court.

Unfortunately they aren't the only program that has "blown past us" the last few years.

 

[Knight Shift]

Funny how with men's basketball, crappy facilities is cited as to why the team sucks and there are low expectations, but this is not brought up at all with it comes to women's hoops and Coach Stringer.

 

[knightfan7]

I agree with everything except your final supposition. Hanging around is not a right. She's come to the point where she needs to retire.

Does she need to retire? That's for other than me to decide.

I will point out to those who say the past success means she should stay on till she decides, Tom Coughlin, Tom Landry, and numerous other male coaches were forced out after they won their sport's championships. Some winning multiple times. CVS never could win the big one. Different rules?

 

[imbazza2]

And replace her with WHO? and for how much$?
all the knee jerks are reacting

 

[RU-ROCS]

And replace her with WHO? and for how much$?
all the knee jerks are reacting

A young up-and-comer for less money. ;)

 

[oldman87]

It's hard to have an intelligent discussion about what is best for the WBB program or what should come after CVS retires because there are 2 major camps with complete different goals, one camp wants the program to be as successful as possible, the other camp couldn't care less.

 

[RUich]

It's hard to have an intelligent discussion about what is best for the WBB program or what should come after CVS retires because there are 2 major camps with complete different goals, one camp wants the program to be as successful as possible, the other camp couldn't care less.

Spot on!

 

[AreYouNUTS]

And replace her with WHO? and for how much$?
all the knee jerks are reacting

Most ignorant response there is IMHO (and many use it, not just you...):

Why can other schools - ones that either sucked or were much further down the ladder than RU 5-10 years ago - surpass us with new up-and-coming coaches BUT Rutgers won't be able to do the same and get back to the "top" of the women's game?

We can. Period. It's complete bullshit and an absurd line of thinking.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Nuts,
While all our sports need to draw a lot better, the crowds at the womens basketball games are wayyyyyy to small. Do you think Coach Stringer could/should be doing more to reach out to the youth and high school players and coaches around the state to get them more involved in supporting the team ?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Nuts,
While all our sports need to draw a lot better, the crowds at the womens basketball games are wayyyyyy to small. Do you think Coach Stringer could/should be doing more to reach out to the youth and high school players and coaches around the state to get them more involved in supporting the team ?

She probably thinks it's not her responsibility at this stage in here career, and the defenders-to-the-end group will tell you it's not, and that her past record should be all she needs to provide along with coaching itself.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

I'm fine with this as long as it is a pay cut to something like 300K base with additional amounts based on game wins and other accomplishments. No one really watches WBB anyway so enough to run the program smoothly should be enough

 

[HeavenUniv.]

I know we probably won't do it,but I would like us to go back to the double-headers. I watched both games as often as I could.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

It's hard to have an intelligent discussion about what is best for the WBB program or what should come after CVS retires because there are 2 major camps with complete different goals, one camp wants the program to be as successful as possible, the other camp couldn't care less.

Bull. The vast majority WANT the program to be successful. Some couldn't care less, one way or the other, but those of us who do - the vast majority - have different viewpoints on how to get there, hence, there are more than "2 camps."

 

[oldman87]

Most ignorant response there is IMHO (and many use it, not just you...):

Why can other schools - ones that either sucked or were much further down the ladder than RU 5-10 years ago - surpass us with new up-and-coming coaches BUT Rutgers won't be able to do the same and get back to the "top" of the women's game?

We can. Period. It's a completely bullshit and absurd line of thinking.

Because the other schools didn't just fire one of the most beloved icons in the world of WBB near the end of her career who also happens to be one of the most successful coach in the history of Rutgers athletics, she is not only revered in college athletics, her book and her life story also resonated and changed the lives of many outside the circle. We would instantly become the Ramsey Bolton of the WBB world if we were to fire her today, good luck on attracting quality coach let alone quality recruits. Of course none of this matters to camp of couldn't care less, hence my previous post.

 

[knightfan7]

It's hard to have an intelligent discussion about what is best for the WBB program or what should come after CVS retires because there are 2 major camps with complete different goals, one camp wants the program to be as successful as possible, the other camp couldn't care less.

I'm going to have to disagree with you. As someone who is first a fan of the football program, I enjoy seeing every team have success. I watched the two soccer teams runs and got into wrestling and lacrosse for the 1st time. I admit I'm not a fan of WBB in general but do catch a game or two on TV. I'm sure most here are like me wanting every program at RU to be successful.

The real question here is when is the past the past? It seems many of CVS's most ardent supporters talk about when she did this or when the team did that. Coaching at a high level is always what have you done lately. It isn't what happened in 2012, 2008, or 2004. If you want to be big time, you have to act big time and in big time sports, there's no room for sentimentality if you want to be successful.

 

[oldman87]

Bull. The vast majority WANT the program to be successful. Some couldn't care less, one way or the other, but those of us who do - the vast majority - have different viewpoints on how to get there, hence, there are more than "2 camps."

I never said different view points aren't allowed within the same camp.

 

[KevH]

Before some of you jump off the edge because you think the sky is falling, wait till you see the wording of that extension and not jump to the usual end of world scenario that is the favorite of many posters that look for reasons to be upset.

The extension CVS and Hermann signed was very RU friendly after the second year of that 4 year contract. Expect Hobbs to do the same while planning to have Vivian going for # 3000 be used as a major event that Rutgers will be getting positive publicity from the national press and great exposure for all of RU Athletics.
Rutgers shot itself in the foot to often when given a chance to get positive press and it looks like some in this thread are willing to load the bullets so RU loses another toe instead of being applauded for a major accomplishment

I trust that Hobbs knows what he's doing. Shouldn't more of you?

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

The least of our problems.If the two revenue sports go upscale then this contract will not make a sound. If not then it becomes a sonic boom.

 

[oldman87]

I'm going to have to disagree with you. As someone who is first a fan of the football program, I enjoy seeing every team have success. I watched the two soccer teams runs and got into wrestling and lacrosse for the 1st time. I admit I'm not a fan of WBB in general but do catch a game or two on TV. I'm sure most here are like me wanting every program at RU to be successful.

The real question here is when is the past the past? It seems many of CVS's most ardent supporters talk about when she did this or when the team did that. Coaching at a high level is always what have you done lately. It isn't what happened in 2012, 2008, or 2004. If you want to be big time, you have to act big time and in big time sports, there's no room for sentimentality if you want to be successful.

7, if you want the program to succeed, then you belong to the first camp, we simply have a differences of opinion on how to proceed. But if you read some of the responses in this thread, especially those who are only worried about finances and advocating pulling money out of WBB, it's clear that many couldn't care less about being successful in WBB.

 

[MADHAT1]

inning, just not enough by the standards she set

Funny how with men's basketball, crappy facilities is cited as to why the team sucks and there are low expectations, but this is not brought up at all with it comes to women's hoops and Coach Stringer.

[thumb2]
Also the expectations are a lot lower, hoping for a winning season or close to one ( next year) is the norm.

 

[RUJohnny99]

Expect Hobbs to do the same while planning to have Vivian going for # 3000 be used as a major event that Rutgers will be getting positive publicity from the national press and great exposure for all of RU Athletics.

I think you're severely overstating the "national press" of 1000 wins.

Pat Summitt is essentially the Joe Paterno/Bear Bryant/Nick Saban of women's basketball. Here's the articles on her 1000th win.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&tbm=nws&q="pat+summitt"+1000+win

 

[NY AGENTMAN]

It's hard to have an intelligent discussion about what is best for the WBB program or what should come after CVS retires because there are 2 major camps with complete different goals, one camp wants the program to be as successful as possible, the other camp couldn't care less.

Can't there be a third camp that would like the Woman,s BBall program to be successful while not being a drain on the athletic budget. If you are going to renew Stringer it has to be for a substantially lower payscale with incentives.

 

[MADHAT1]

I think you're severely overstating the "national press" of 1000 wins.

Pat Summitt is essentially the Joe Paterno/Bear Bryant/Nick Saban of women's basketball. Here's the articles on her 1000th win.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&tbm=nws&q="pat+summitt"+1000+win

By 2000 overstated the wins :chairshot:
But the publicity that will come when the run for 1000 starts next season will put RU WBB in the spotlight in a good way..

 

[MADHAT1]

Can't there be a third camp that would like the Woman,s BBall program to be successful while not being a drain on the athletic budget. If you are going to renew Stringer it has to be for a substantially lower payscale with incentives.

Pay-scale at $700,000 isn't a budget killer, but making the incentives harder to reach ( but more rewarding) might help.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Because the other schools didn't just fire one of the most beloved icons in the world of WBB near the end of her career who also happens to be one of the most successful coach in the history of Rutgers athletics, she is not only revered in college athletics, her book and her life story also resonated and changed the lives of many outside the circle. We would instantly become the Ramsey Bolton of the WBB world if we were to fire her today, good luck on attracting quality coach let alone quality recruits. Of course none of this matters to camp of couldn't care less, hence my previous post.

Nobody is denying CVS's resume for crying out loud but the world WOULD NOT end if the women was asked to retire at this time. My Lord give it a f*cking rest (and I WANT women's hoops to BE SUCCESSFUL, forever, at Rutgers...shit I have a white "OO" Carline DeRoose t-shirt for crying out loud AND followed the team to St. Joe's to watch them win an A10 title or two....).

 

[RU#1fan]

If true, a big mistake by Hobbs.

This . Has Hobbs come down with Pernetti syndrome?
Get this man help ASAP !

 

[oldtimer67]

Everyone wants to complain about her recent disappointments in performance. No one wants to talk about the facts. If you really believe what you post on this message board, check out the following two things.

Which sports (out of 22) have a better winning percentage over the last 5 years (recent history)?
Which sports (out of 22) have more post season appearances over the last five years?

You will find out that the vast majority of RU sports would kill to have anything close to CVS' recent record.
Hobbs understands this. The amateur ADs don't.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I never said different view points aren't allowed within the same camp.

It's hard to have an intelligent discussion about what is best for the WBB program or what should come after CVS retires because there are 2 major camps with complete different goals, one camp wants the program to be as successful as possible, the other camp couldn't care less.

You CLEARLY say there are only 2 camps, agree?

You also CLEARLY seperate these camps as those who want women's hoops to succeed, and those who don't, agree?

Hence you CLEARLY feel that there are only 2 camps - with VERY specific "wants" - and completely dismiss those who WANT US TO WIN but feel it can be done with a change OR simply want us to win with CVS but don't believe that she is the end-all-be-all in the equation.

 

[oldman87]

Can't there be a third camp that would like the Woman,s BBall program to be successful while not being a drain on the athletic budget. If you are going to renew Stringer it has to be for a substantially lower payscale with incentives.

Would you take the same approach to Football and MBB, surely there are a lot more money to be saved in those 2 programs? Of course not, because we all truly want those 2 programs to succeed and taking money out is counter intuitive.

Extending her contract is a no brainer if you truly want to see her and the program succeed, I would even go further and give her more money for higher level assistants, if we are going to keep her which we are, give her the tools and support needed to make that successful final run.

 

[RutgersUnion]

One or more of the 15 fans that show up to WBB games has to donate in large numbers. Not necessarily to WBB but to the athletic department or university. THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES SENSE considering the program hemorrhages money and doesn't have much of a following.

 

[oldman87]

You CLEARLY say there are only 2 camps, agree?

You also CLEARLY seperate these camps as those who want women's hoops to succeed, and those who don't, agree?

Hence you CLEARLY feel that there are only 2 camps - with VERY specific "wants" - and completely dismiss those who WANT US TO WIN but feel it can be done with a change OR simply want us to win with CVS but don't believe that she is the end-all-be-all in the equation.

1. I said 2 major camps.

2. No, I said there is a camp that doesn't care one way or another (couldn't care less), never said "don't want it to succeed", very big difference.

3. No, I didn't dismiss anyone, I simple said it's impossible to have this discussion when there is a camp that couldn't care less, obviously you're not one of them so stop being so defensive. I'm not even trying to shame the "couldn't care less" camp with that statement, it is what it is, WBB is not the most popular of college sports and this is a football forum after all, you can't force someone to like something when they have no interest in it.

 

[RUsojo]

They just need to advertise the program and games more. That's their problem.

Everyone wants to complain about her recent disappointments in performance. No one wants to talk about the facts. If you really believe what you post on this message board, check out the following two things.

Which sports (out of 22) have a better winning percentage over the last 5 years (recent history)?
Which sports (out of 22) have more post season appearances over the last five years?

You will find out that the vast majority of RU sports would kill to have anything close to CVS' recent record.
Hobbs understands this. The amateur ADs don't.

It's not about that. It's about how she is bending the school over with here winning percentage over the last 5 years and what she is being paid.

I bet if you average the salary of women's coaches with the same winning percentage over that 5 year period you would CVS stealing money. A simple restructuring would ease everyone's anger - and this may have taken place we just won't know until the numbers come out.

BTW she's 48-41 in conference finishing 8th 5th 4th 9th and 6th.

Shes 449-234 (.658).

 

[RU Husky]

Everyone wants to complain about her recent disappointments in performance. No one wants to talk about the facts. If you really believe what you post on this message board, check out the following two things.

Which sports (out of 22) have a better winning percentage over the last 5 years (recent history)?
Which sports (out of 22) have more post season appearances over the last five years?

You will find out that the vast majority of RU sports would kill to have anything close to CVS' recent record.
Hobbs understands this. The amateur ADs don't.

That's more of a sad commentary of the status of Rutgers sports over the last 5 years than it is testimony to her success. Most of those other sports are trending up. WBB is not.

 

[Debtbubble]

Hire someone for the least possible amount of money. No one cares about WBB .

Hire someone for 100,000 a year.

4 years. He's lost his mind.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

"oldtimer67, post: 1945083, member: 2806"]Everyone wants to complain about her recent disappointments in performance. No one wants to talk about the facts. If you really believe what you post on this message board, check out the following two things.

Which sports (out of 22) have a better winning percentage over the last 5 years (recent history)? This should have ZERO bearing on making a decision to keep a coach of any other particular sport. That being said women's hoops has won 64% of their games the last 5 seasons. Women's Soccer 61% (won-loss is actually 69% but there are 13 ties).

Which sports (out of 22) have more post season appearances over the last five years? Again, this should have ZERO bearing on making a decision to keep a coach of any other particular sport. That being said Women's Soccer has been to the NCAA's for 4 consecutive seasons while Women's Hoops has made the NCAA's 2 times in the past 5 years.

You will find out that the vast majority of RU sports would kill to have anything close to CVS' recent record.
Hobbs understands this. Nobody is saying anything to the contrary.